Cost of new pickups

[92U 3406]

I do not want to break forum rules and this may be getting political. My point was a 'fair share' should be the same amount for every person. I do not understand why one person's 'fair share' is more than another's. They are both one person in society.

And no on the income thing. I think the government should not be allowed to spend anywhere near the money they do. 300M people x $1,000 is a quite sufficient budget in my mind.

100% agree with that.

 

[Birken Vogt]

It is called a head tax. $10k and if you can't pay it you simply don't get to vote. Not a popular idea these days but I think it has great merit.

 

[terex herder]

Its called a poll tax. Outlawed because its discriminatory.

If you really want to fix things, require that any person donating to a candidate must be a legal voter for the candidate to whom they are making a donation.

 

[Birken Vogt]

Its called a poll tax. Outlawed because its discriminatory.

Poll is an archaic word and not related to voting originally. But actually makes sense. Outlawed because of abuses at a certain time in our history. But its effect would be, those who don't produce don't get to vote themselves benefits.

If you really want to fix things, require that any person donating to a candidate must be a legal voter for the candidate to whom they are making a donation.

There is that third party again. Party A gives money to Party B and Party C has nothing to say about it. If the head tax was in effect instead of convoluted laws, then the candidate would not be in such a position to give favors back to the donor.

 

[DMiller]

1976 I bought a New 1977 K20 Chevrolet std cab Scottsdale trim package pickup. My price was $6700+/- some. 350 4spd fwd, had to add on AC as was not originally built with. AC Add was in the price. In 1975 had looked at a New IHC 3/4ton fwd std cab was under $4500. Should have bought that one. bought Used trucks from 77 on until 1996, late year bought a 97 F250ext cab 351 auto fwd. POS. Best day gs mileage LESS than the 460 used monster I had, cab leaked from week one, marker lamps area. Pretty truck but a PITA, so traded again in 99 for the SD I still have that is speedily rotting away. Gave $18xxx for the 97, got $17+ in trade that paid off loan, new SD was $25xxx List but was discounted to $23xxx. Paid off in two years. I made $5.50/hr in 77 plus scrapping moneys side working, In 96 at UE was making just over $21/hr. By 2000 most mechanics I knew were just over $25/hr I was making $37/hr at power station.
In 1987 bought the wife our first New CAR in years being together, Merc Cougar was $89xx, in 91 traded that for a new Explorer and was a New model for Ford was $14xxx. Had various CHEAP cars for wife from 91 to 2017, bought her the current Exploder and it will HAVE to last as was just under $28xxx. New Pickups I have seen bought or offered for sale around here, Crew Cab Dually are OVER $75 for Gas and closer to $90 for Diesel, unless get stupid options loaded models and those well over $100K. Warranties are worthless, as get you for Shops Supplies and other Fees so still end up paying for repairs. Have NOT Bought a Extended warranty since the 87. At my retirement Income no outside work income I am making over $25/hour so roughly Five Times what made in 1976, where that 77 K20 today would be around $60-75,000 is roughly Double where should be in relative figure to income. EVEN if take it out to $35-40/hr and shift it to 8 times what I made in 76/77 is still well above the value of Income. I could for $160 TAKE Home pay per weekly paycheck buy a truck on a three year note and still eat while buy tools, pay housing expenses.

Costs rise Exponentially to Payrolls, does not factor out as to Value or Inflation Based.

 

[DMiller]

Know for a fact as Pete Salesman admitted to last boss, Rises in expenses to purchase new Class 8 Trucks is factored in Warranty expenses. Same is true for Cars. As get more technified become more problematic as well more expensive to diagnose and far more extensive/expensive to repair. A Radio of yesterday was $150 for a Good one, for a Entertainment Climate Control and GPS Center is a few grand today, and for what, satellite radio with electronic bells and whistles. So over glorified technogeek plastic crap that fails expensively. Electronics Controls Modules, Seven in last Western Star I drove EACH well over a Grand, Main Control Module was over $2500, that is now over $4000 IF can find one and NO ONE repairs as cannot get the Programming info from Frt Lnr,

Being Priced out of general public's hands and seemingly Intentionally.

 

[CM1995]

Warranties are worthless, as get you for Shops Supplies and other Fees so still end up paying for repairs.

I have bought Ford ESP's since 2006. Bought a 5 year 100K mile extended warranty on a 2006 350 with the notorious 6.0 boat anchor. A week shy of 5 years and 92K on the clock I dropped it off at the dealership, paid the $100 deductible and Ford paid for a new top end.

Don't know about other manufacturers but Ford's is or at least was solid. Plan on buying one for my '22.

Know for a fact as Pete Salesman admitted to last boss, Rises in expenses to purchase new Class 8 Trucks is factored in Warranty expenses.

Wonder what percentage of those warranty costs are emissions related that were mandated by the Federal Government?

I have yet to experience a major technology failure not attributed to gov't mandated emissions equipment. See Ford 6.0 EGR head gasket failure above.

 

[KSSS]

That's why I am hesitant to actually take delivery of the '23 350 on order. It's not a major makeover like 2010 to 2011 or 2016 to 2017 which were both model changes that came out for the better IMO. However with supply chain constraints and overworked assembly lines it might be a different outcome this time around. My '22 has been great so far (secretly knocks on wood.. )

Here is your chance CM to correct that Blue Oval issue!

 

[heymccall]

A 2023 v8 F150 4x4 with heavy duty suspension and no manual transmission is $53k, vs your 1973 f150.

 

[1693TA]

Won't be a factor for me. Far too many people in this area rapidly tiring of the high payments they are saddled with for the convenience of new as the economy continues to tank and the price of essential goods/items continue to increase. I am seeing more and more luxury or "high end", (exorbitant) used vehicles and consumer goods being marketed with the tag line of "Must Sell" at a reduced price from what the online sources state for resale value. I notice a two to three week interval with a listing at such and such dollar amount, then a price reduction for the same amount of time then repeated yet again till it sells at a lower price.

I still drive my 96 Dodge one ton pickup, (dually) daily as my everyday driver. I purchased this new before they became in "Vogue" and although pushing 250K on the clock and being "Krusty but Trusty" underneath, and held together with three patches welded to the frame from rot, everything still works on the old girl; and it's good enough for who it's for. Sure, it's one good breakdown from scrap but I'll drive it to that point. Still doesn't burn or leak anything and the engine or transmission both have only had routine maintenance performed with exception of a starter, alternator, radiator, ball joints, pitman and idler arms. Of course tires, brakes, drums, and rotors which I consider wear items. Brake calipers and wheel cylinders are original, but I do flush the fluid bi-annually and change the differential and transmission oil and filter.

Out of habit I still check the income and expense reports monthly and plan expenditures accordingly to keep the tax burden at bay.

When I agreed to purchase, and ordered that Dodge on 3/3/1996, I was driving my 57 B-61 Mack truck. Told the manager of the dealership the old Mack would replace the new Dodge one day. Whether he believed it or not I don't really know, but I still see him from time to time and he always asks if I still have both. I do think he now believes the Mack will replace the Dodge as he's seen how bad it's getting.

I'm usually driving the Dodge when picking up parts. The subject still generates a good laugh too.

 

[DMiller]

I already have my New to me Truck, have less money in it than that 23 F150, Gonna Stay that way.

 

[Willie B]

3/4 ton and up pickups and C&C's are hard to get new here. At some point the supply/demand curve will change but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

It took 8 months for me to get a '22 F350 from order date to delivery. Haven't even received a build date on a '23 I ordered last October.

When the orders opened, my son was very alert to the minute. We made the journey to order a new Ford, my first Ford since 1995. GM no longer offers medium duty pickups. I likely have the date in my log. Ford notified me soon after of their policy to notify me every 45 days that my truck hasn't yet been built. I've received three notices now that it hasn't been built. Silly me! I figured if it had been built, they would mention that, therefore no need for "it hasn't been built." Confirms my belief that Ford only hires college graduates. I think it's drug abuse in colleges causes this.

 

[MG84]

The other big problem with truck prices is the fact that no one is satisfied with a base model truck anymore. The stuff the dealers keep on the lot is often close to double the price of a base model. Some how everyone used to get by just fine with a regular cab, 2wd, low trim level pickup with the small gas motor but not anymore I guess. Now everyone NEEDS a crew cab, 4wd, 1000lb-ft diesel, king ranch platinum lariat with every ‘infotainment’ geegaw known to man...

 

[Birken Vogt]

I bought a 2002 Ford E-250 van with a 6 cylinder and 250k on the clock for $5k last year. I really like it. Not my daily work truck but it is nice when I do drive it. I wish it had cruise control but it does have AC.

 

[Truck Shop]

When times get tough-show me a frying pan and stove big enough to fricassee a $80,000
dollar pickup. You can't pour enough Adolph's meat tenderizer on to make it edible. All that
can be done is set and look at it and wish someone else had it and you have a plate of food.

 

[DMiller]

Do not know who else sees the actual trucks pricing. At the Local yard the owner showed me the receipts for 2016 units, then the 2018s and as went on the 2020s and 21's Latest and greatest were the new 2023s he just got. From 2016 to 2023 there was almost a hard double on his fleet, 148-162K in 16, move to 23 those same day cab sets or sleeper units are now 238-265. Seven years and essentially 100k price jump. Prior to 2010 they had seen a few thousand a year every other year, by 16 was expanding, has become exponential.

My OWN Silver 92 1979 K100C bought late 1979 USED with reciprocity and trucking company pedigree was $42,000. Just KNEW had made a good choice, BOY was I ever proved WRONG.

 

[CM1995]

I likely have the date in my log. Ford notified me soon after of their policy to notify me every 45 days that my truck hasn't yet been built. I've received three notices now that it hasn't been built. Silly me! I figured if it had been built, they would mention that, therefore no need for "it hasn't been built."

I think it's from Ford not communicating with it's customers about their orders so they are going overboard. Before I ordered my '22 I joined a Ford Tremor forum specifically for the Tremor package offered on 150's, 250's and 350's. From the threads and knowledge of the members there I learned more about the Ford ordering process than I ever cared to.


Ford took a lot of heat for accepting the order via email and then no correspondence for months on end. I guess the 45 day email was their fix? Which reminds me I'm due for the 45 day email.

Now everyone NEEDS a crew cab, 4wd, 1000lb-ft diesel, king ranch platinum lariat with every ‘infotainment’ geegaw known to man...

It's not that anyone needs it - I just want it.

Spent my childhood riding around in old trucks with holes in the floor going to work - hot as hell in the dog days of Alabama summers. Graduated to newer trucks with no A/C, roll up windows and AM radios. Never want to go back to anything like that again, it's not nostalgic in any way to me.

If I can help it I am going to drive the nicest pickup I can afford. It's my office, dog transport, RV toting beast of a truck that I really, really enjoy driving.

 

[cfherrman]

The craziest thing is a truck from 2003 or 2023 the only thing really different is the huge radio.

You keep your debit, I'll pay cash for an old truck and we will see who has more money down the road.

 

[Birken Vogt]

Spent my childhood riding around in old trucks with holes in the floor going to work - hot as hell in the dog days of Alabama summers. Graduated to newer trucks with no A/C, roll up windows and AM radios. Never want to go back to anything like that again, it's not nostalgic in any way to me.

If I can help it I am going to drive the nicest pickup I can afford. It's my office, dog transport, RV toting beast of a truck that really, really enjoy driving.

When I used to work on fireline hand crews, after a 16 hour day on foot in the bottom of some canyon or worse yet a night or two "spiked out" camping rough, an old truck with crank windows and no AC sitting in the hot sun for days sure looked good even if you were riding in the bed of it, instead of walking and carrying a chain saw and all your gear.

Nowadays all I need is power steering and AC and all I want is cruise control and a radio. I will do without AC if I have to but not for too long.

 

[CM1995]

When I used to work on fireline hand crews, after a 16 hour day on foot in the bottom of some canyon or worse yet a night or two "spiked out" camping rough, an old truck with crank windows and no AC sitting in the hot sun for days sure looked good even if you were riding in the bed of it, instead of walking and carrying a chain saw and all your gear.

No doubt. If I had been wild land firefighting anything from 2 to 4 wheels with a motor that goes down the road would be a saving grace.