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To the original topic, there was a news report last week that NYC bought a number of all electric sanitation trucks (garbage trucks). The Sanitation Department is also tasked with clearing NYC streets of snow. The report stated the electric trucks lasted 4 hours plowing snow before the charge ran out and then had to spend 12 hours on charge for another go at it.

Sounds about right, no regen braking plowing snow ...
 

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The all electric buses are now in storage at Cummins yard, awaiting a failed cooling system repair plan now at three months and counting.
 

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I remember a bloke who developed a system to remove H2 from water while on the move. Basically a water tank and the necessary gizmo to make the H2. He patented his invention then drove his car over a 1000 miles as a demonstration. He got a call from a foundation in Paris offering a huge sum of dough which was accepted. Turned out the foundation was operated by big oil. This happened during the fuel price shock in the 70's

"Big Oil" is just a label - they are energy companies. It's their business model to not only find but own the next source of energy. I would like to the know the amount of money they spent on theories that didn't work. Not saying hydrogen doesn't work just curious of the things we will never know.
 

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When idealism runs headlong into reality . . . an article discussing what Steve Frazier mentioned:

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...rucks-can-t-handle-the-heavy-snow-207305.html
The article made it sound more like the garbage trucks were under consideration, or a pilot project testing phase and might not even be in service as the snow plowing ability is essential to the political survival of the mayor. Never seen a plow on a garbage truck in the midwest, but NYC is a different animal entirely and I bet they know what they're doing to prepare for the kind of storms they get.

The ignorant author that suggested this obviously has never paid attention to a winter in NYC or Denver, not the same snow, like comparing Billings to Buffalo:
"Maybe NYC has to learn from other snowy cities. For instance, municipal snow clearing in Denver is done by smaller light-duty trucks with plows, and some residential streets don't even get plowed at all. There, the community probably works together to clear the roads."
 

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Uncle explained in NYC the trash trucks would push snow to a specific spot, street crews would load it to dumps and those take to the wharf zones to dump in the river. No place to store it anywhere.
 

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Seems like a good idea to me. How much use could you get out of an electric vehicle? It seems state of the art EV are a commuter car for warmer climates, or a second car for driving around town. You are more remote than I. I live on a gravel road, and an electric vehicle couldn't even get here without damaging the air dam or side shielding. Part of the extended range is from features such as low ground clearance for less air resistance and special low rolling resistance tires. These features don't work well with rough or gravel roads, especially in the rain.

Then add in the 7 passenger/light truck vehicles for myself and my business average 17 years old and 140k miles. How much work will it take to keep an EV rolling that long?
 

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Seems like a good idea to me. How much use could you get out of an electric vehicle? It seems state of the art EV are a commuter car for warmer climates, or a second car for driving around town. You are more remote than I. I live on a gravel road, and an electric vehicle couldn't even get here without damaging the air dam or side shielding. Part of the extended range is from features such as low ground clearance for less air resistance and special low rolling resistance tires. These features don't work well with rough or gravel roads, especially in the rain.
Only good use for a EV out here is to rip the batteries out break it down to usable voltage in series/parallel for storing solar and wind energy (it's fine to do that with these based on the battery composition) and take the regenerative braking system and turn it into a windmill. What's left of the vehicle after scraping it out turn it into a cart :D
 

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Ex co-worker got bad news so is selling EVERYTHING he has owned in and around Mexico or Auxvasse MO(Pronounce Awe Vaus), he had a solar system added to his city house, was "gonna get paid for his excess electric" never metered that well, his Net bill decreased about 30% is all it ever made. His small farm site has a Game Room Barn as well the old house, had a massive solar on stilts set up there, almost made 50% of use so a net negative there as well. He finally admitted I was correct as to payback being over 20 years for what he spent starting three years ago.

Well all that is water over that dam, poor diet and poorer still habits have left him at 35% heart function at 60 years old(Retired at 57). He just underwent a Heart Tissue Ablation surgery which netted only 5% recovered additionally. His wife has spells where just passes out lost driver's license, not figured that out either where these two are already bought into a GM Duramax power Crew Cab Dually 4x4, and a 40' rolling shathouse, gonna live in it and run around the country. All I could think was gonna be bad when he dies on the road and she cannot drive the damn thing back on her own. Have two boys, one is buying the old farmstead, will still base there for time being.
 

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Fire Hazard: Norweigen Shipping Company First to Ban Electric Cars on Ferries

https:// rairfoundation.com/fire-haza...rs-on-ferries/


A Norwegian shipping company bans electric cars on its ferries. According to a risk analysis, such vehicles’ fire risk is too significant.
An ocean liner had recently sunk because of it.

The Norwegian shipping company, Havila Kystruten, has banned electric, hybrid, and hydrogen cars from its ferries. After a risk
analysis, it was concluded that the risk to the safety of the shipping fleet was too significant. If a vehicle catches fire, the fire can no
longer be extinguished.

The risks for ships from the transport of Electric cars (EV) have been discussed since the “Felicity Ace” sank off the Azores, Portugal,
last February. E-vehicles on board had caught fire. The fire could not be extinguished. Finally, the colossal ship sank with thousands
of electric cars, including Porsche and Bentley “green” vehicles.

Capt. Rahul Khanna, global head of marine consulting at Allianz (AGCS), a marine insurance specialist, explains that the problem
with EVs is that lithium-ion batteries in the cars can actually propagate the fire, igniting more vigorously as compared to conventional
cars. A single vehicle fire could prove catastrophic.

E-cars are a danger for ship passengers
According to a report by the TradeWinds shipping news service, Havila’s Chief executive Bent Martini said the risk analysis showed
that the fire in an electric car required a particularly complex rescue operation. The crew on board could not afford this. Passengers
would also be at risk. This is different for vehicles with combustion engines. A possible fire is usually easy to fight by the ship’s crew.

After the sinking of the “Felicity Ace,” Greenpeace also warned against e-cars on ships: “In general, electronic components and
especially electric vehicles pose a risk for every transport.”

Havila travels the so-called mail ship route along the coast of northern Norway. The tours are essential for Scandinavian passenger
and cargo traffic and are also very popular with vacationers.
 

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Ex co-worker got bad news so is selling EVERYTHING he has owned in and around Mexico or Auxvasse MO(Pronounce Awe Vaus), he had a solar system added to his city house, was "gonna get paid for his excess electric" never metered that well, his Net bill decreased about 30% is all it ever made. His small farm site has a Game Room Barn as well the old house, had a massive solar on stilts set up there, almost made 50% of use so a net negative there as well. He finally admitted I was correct as to payback being over 20 years for what he spent starting three years ago.

Well all that is water over that dam, poor diet and poorer still habits have left him at 35% heart function at 60 years old(Retired at 57). He just underwent a Heart Tissue Ablation surgery which netted only 5% recovered additionally. His wife has spells where just passes out lost driver's license, not figured that out either where these two are already bought into a GM Duramax power Crew Cab Dually 4x4, and a 40' rolling shathouse, gonna live in it and run around the country. All I could think was gonna be bad when he dies on the road and she cannot drive the damn thing back on her own. Have two boys, one is buying the old farmstead, will still base there for time being.
The way our power bills are structured here, I pay more for distribution charges and fees than I do for the actual power I consume.
 
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