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This Corn Was Not Roundup Ready !

Discussion in 'Agricultural Operations' started by Tinkerer, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. Hobbytime

    Hobbytime Senior Member

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    when it comes to the bottom line..$$$$$$$$$$$$ they as you mentioned will lie through their teeth for profit.....no matter the consequences to people, animals or the environment...
     
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    β€œIt is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
    ― Upton Sinclair
     
  3. Diesel Dan 92

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    That last sentence said it all to me.

    Your coming at a grown up debate with the mind set of an 11 year old girl.
     
  4. Delmer

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    If you don't believe the argument you're free to refute it without taking cheap shots.

    Lantraxco, you can worry all you want about what we don't know. From what I gather, we DO know that mycotoxins (mold) is probably more detrimental to human health than pesticides. You know how they (at least used to) test grain for excessive mycotoxin? feed it to female feeder pigs, if they come into heat early there's too much mycotoxin, and the grain has to be blended with clean grain and fed to beef cattle, it will make hogs and chickens sick. What do you think that does to the humans who eat those... kinda makes you want to go vegan except... or only eat wild game, except... No aluminum foil hats here, that's the way it works, don't believe me, I'll find the sources if you want. Universities, not wackos.
     
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    Amen.
     
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    And you're a rude pompous ass that's defending things because they're profitable for you, if you don't get the joke buy a sense of humor.
     
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  7. Diesel Dan 92

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    "Icky?"
     
  8. Diesel Dan 92

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    They test for mycotoxins in grain at every point of delivery before unloading the truck / wagon / barge.

    Loads exceeding acceptable limits are rejected.

    There isn't anything a farmer can do to prevent mycotoxins, it's a weather thing.

    And I was unaware the mold chooses not to grow on 'vegan' food. That's neet-0.
     
  9. Tinkerer

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    I have an update to the original subject of my thread.
    The crop service company made an offer to to pay for his lost crop. Not only that, they also offered to give him seed beans to replant the entire acreage. But to no avail. Apparently they are dealing with an idiot. Before this happened he was already in financial problems big time. I was told he thinks he can do better in a lawsuit !
    In regards to mycotoxins in grain I know what they are. I grew up on a small farm and still own part of the original. I live next to an elevator / barge loading facility. You can say what you want about testing for mycotoxins. There are several. It most likely varies from elevator to elevator but, I can watch trucks all day long come in, get there load probed with a vacuum on a boom and the truck will be unloaded and gone in less that 10 minutes.
     
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  10. Delmer

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    That's where the "except..." after the vegan came in.

    I'm more familiar with the organic side of things. There DEFINITELY ARE things farmers can do to prevent mold, not economically at $3 corn, that's another story. The organic dogmas are NOT designed to reduce mycotoxins, IMHO they are worse in many situations/crops. "Organic" is designed to produce more nutrient rich food, and I think they do that in general.

    There are hundreds of KNOWN mycotoxins, you think they test each load for each one??? Plus where do you think that rejected grain goes? Hopefully ethanol, but I'm not sure of that. I know before ethanol most of it was blended and fed to beef cattle or finishing hogs.

    I agree with you Dan, I'd much rather be forced to drink a cup of roundup than many other common chemicals (the poison comes from it's salt content). But if I wanted to believe everything you say, I might as well read it in a glossy brochure. There's plenty of info from good midwest universities, I'm not talking UC Berkley here.
     
  11. Diesel Dan 92

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    The truck unload test takes 5 minutes. It's a litmus test.

    Federal Grain inspectors are present while rail cars are loaded. They check every single car, 3 probes per car. If the car is over specifications it is dumped.
     
  12. Diesel Dan 92

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    They test for toxins that are present in that geographical area, that year.

    99.9% of the time in corn and cereal grains we're talking vomitixin and aflatoxin.

    Yes you can try to prevent mold in corn. Using plenty of nitrogen fertilizer, and spraying "poison" out of an airplane are your best bets. Not politically popular however.

    Ethanol plants still test for mycotoxins because they sell dried distillers grains (by product) as animal feed.

    Yes grain is blended, to get under a threshold determined safe for animal feed by the USDA. Under threshold is key here. Your drinking water will likely contain 10's of chemicals and metals, just in small amounts that won't hurt you.

    Heck, I'd bet you have lead and arsenic in your blood as you read this.

    As a frame of reference here, I worked a couple years at a commercial rail loading facility (comes in on farmers trucks, goes south on rail). I farm full time, and I just dumped a load of #2 US yellow dent corn at the ethanol plant. I also sell corn seed. About half of my farm is planted to non gmo corn.

    Organic farming is a farce.
     
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  13. Hobbytime

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    that sounds like a good deal,,but given bean seed....will monsanto go after the farmer for planting bin seed that the monsanto patent wasnt paid on?..that would be the ultimate kick in the balls...or the crop service company knows this and will call mansanto as soon as them beans sprout...
    some of the dairy farmers favorite saying" dilution is the solution"....I would guess that applies to any crop or product in reducing % of contaminates....
     
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    No they won't can't "go after" anyone that plants heirloom seeds.
    Someone surely must have squealed on Vernon Powell and the others. The story said he purchased those beans he used at his local elevator.
     
  15. Diesel Dan 92

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    The phrase "bean seed" refers to actual seed product. Not bin run seed.

    The Ag Service wouldn't give anyone bin run grain to plant.
     
  16. Hobbytime

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    ok, thanxs for explaining, some of the articles dealing with the lawsuits did not clearly state the difference..
    even though we blame big companies for damaging our food supply we have some of blame in other areas.. like here.. https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...b-many-medications-meant-for-people/23062294/
    granted the medications we take then use the bathroom we cant control that part ending up in the water, but any unused meds we keep flushing down the hatch also end up in the water supply and cannot be filtered out ( well they can but it cost way too much for that filtration system.) and we all end up getting low dosses of pharmaceuticals back into our bodies..that cant be good over the long term..
     
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  17. Diesel Dan 92

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    image.jpeg This is corn that failed grade for blue mold.

    It is being unloaded from train cars because it failed inspection.

    This elevator is owned by a multinational corporation.

    They called me to help unload.

    Beer money on Sunday night, good with me.
     
  18. Ruger_556

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    So I clicked on this thread expecting to read about a sprayer operator being fired and instead learned some people spend wayyyy too much time reading on the internet.
     
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    Which elevator is that on Dan?

    and where are they shipping it off to?