I really don't give a crap just make it so that it can be serviced, maintained and repaired in a timely AND EFFICIENT MANNER without taking a act of congress. If the ********* engineers had to work on them after they had been out in the blood the mud and the beer. They might just might think a little bit, but no this nation "and some others" has become a throwaway nation. In part "equipment wise" to lobbyists, tree huggers and our fine political leaders and I dont mean just one group I mean ALL OF THEM. So they build something to last X amount of hours and then its to be ""recycled"" or sold to some other part of the world if its early enough like Es, Fs and some Gs as far as loaders, on graders they like Gs and Hs and they throw rocks or shoes at you if you were to mention a M. As far as say cranes the new ones are nice, and I mean nice PERIOD. Alot easier to work on, setups and teardowns are a breeze, nothing at all like the large older machines. But here again is this going to bite us in the *** in a few more years. Part of this is because the newer machines are so much lighter, but at what cost. the older machines could be rebuilt over and over again because the base machine was heavy and sturdy enough to take it, but now we are seeing that after a period of time the machine can not be rebuilt because of metal fatigue. From one of the very things that makes them so nice. But I digress tilt that damn cab where a fat boy can get in there, for that matter just tilt it enough for peewee "every bodies got one on the job somewhere" and well talk him thru it while he stands on his head and talks about that engineers family tree.