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Finding qualified help

Discussion in 'Personnel' started by AECCorp., Apr 3, 2016.

  1. cuttin edge

    cuttin edge Senior Member

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    It's going to get worse. They all have ADD, ADHD. When I was a kid it was just "Jesus Christ there's something wrong with that boy". There are no losers, everyone gets a trophy. No one fails or gets left behind. If the kid is doing poor in school, it's the teachers fault. My boss hired a young fella to pick rocks in the bottom of a trench. When he saw what he had to do he turned sick, and had to leave. A land scaping company we sub contract out to offered the young lads an extra dollar fifty an hour if they would leave their phones home, and they wouldn't do it. He can't get anyone to work, so he puts up with it. They don't want to work, they just want to get paid.
     
  2. Bls repair

    Bls repair Well-Known Member

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    How much does he pay his workers? If you pay $9.00 ph you get $9.00 ph workers ,pay $20.00 ph you will get more applicants that know something and are willing to work. You get what you pay for.
     
  3. cuttin edge

    cuttin edge Senior Member

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    I'm a finish grade grader operator, an I only get $20.50 an hour. Most unskilled labour positions are minimum wage, which around here is about $10.75 an hr.
     
  4. Bls repair

    Bls repair Well-Known Member

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    Exactly what I am talking about ,if you want class A help you néed class A wages.
     
  5. cuttin edge

    cuttin edge Senior Member

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    You must be a union man, cause there is no way anyone is going to pay operator's wages for a guy raking topsoil. I understand what you are saying, but that is just the going rate around here. If I wanted big bucks, I would have to move across the country to the oil patch, and have my cost of living go up to match.
     
  6. alskdjfhg

    alskdjfhg Senior Member

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    I hired a guy to do some land clearing and to build me a shop pad and driveway.

    He noticed I can operate equipment to some extent and he offered me a gig helping him on the side.

    I'm not used to efficiently running his modern equipment (all my stuff is straight out of the 60's and 70's), but I'll spot trucks, read a print for what grade were supposed to be at and follow the dozer with the grade rod, run the compactor, run a POS water trucks, etc. And since I can read a drawing (certified draftsman), he's always wanting me to help him on working up quotes. Also planning on getting a CDL this summer. Can drive a truck, just not legally. I always carry tools so he's always bumming stuff off me.

    last Saturday we were doing line stabilization, I ran the 1970's vintage incorporation machine for 13 hours straight listening to a 6v-71 a 40 degree windy day (that's cold for Houston).

    I go to the University of Houston full time getting a Honors degree in mechanical engineering and on my hard earned friday's off from school and very precious weekends I work for this guy.

    And I get paid $100 a day for this. I like the machinery, I like the work. But it's about the point where I could make better money picking cigarette butts out McDonalds's urinals. Atleast doing that I get paid promptly, they don't "forget" how many days I work, it's inside and I dont have to deal with any idiot dump truck drivers.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about any of this. It just always makes me laugh listing to this guy complain how he can never find good help, but doesn't want to pay anything.

    I can pass a drug test any day any time no notice, don't use my phone during the day, have my own PPE, am equipment savvy, show up most days before anyone else and leave last. But apparently I'm worht about minimum wage. Doesn't make too much sense to be busting my ass on a construction site when I could get the same wage doing a whole lot less.

    Just my $.02.....
     
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  7. Birken Vogt

    Birken Vogt Charter Member

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    Unless you look at it as an internship, for resume enhancement.

    It is not a guarantee that someone reading your resume will care about what you are doing now, but they might.

    Then again, they might not. It is all a risk of some sort or other.
     
  8. alskdjfhg

    alskdjfhg Senior Member

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    That's pretty much how I look at it, and I am learning a lot.

    Although I am looking for a better, more formal internship with an engineering company.
     
  9. cuttin edge

    cuttin edge Senior Member

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    What is the income deduction like there? For a 2466.36 dollar pay, after deductions I get 1751.75.
     
  10. JD955SC

    JD955SC Well-Known Member

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    What I'm seeing around here, depending on the industry...lot of times it's seems like it's 1980s wages but 2017 grocery prices. The cost of living might be comparitively low in this area but it's not THAT low

    Common pay for a mechanic around here is around $15-16 an hour starting out. Don't know for sure what the going rate for mid level of experience and higher is though but I'm under the impression that high level of experience is's between $20 and $30 an hour.

    I don't mind paying my dues (doing so right now, getting experience to expand upon my school education) but I can tell you that right there is going to push a lot of people away from this kind of work if they can make similar (or higher) without the sweat and risk. Not to mention it's actual work work of course. Not when they can get the same amount of money sitting at home on a welfare program...which is the biggest obstacle in my area, it seems.

    Yes I work for a paycheck but I also work this field because I do enjoy it despite the hard work. It is a satisfying job to me. But I can tell you people aren't going to want to enter the trades when the pay is stagnant and low (outside of booming areas) especially when the work is hard. No one has followed me in the door for the past two years in our apprentinceship/school program.


    Now believe me I see the flip side too. All too often the business can't afford to pay the worker more. So many expenses in hiring somebody. I'm fairly certain that it costs my company twice as much to employ me as what I get paid, for example.
     
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  11. mikebramel

    mikebramel Senior Member

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    It's a very interesting job. Always enjoy the thank you from the customer. But other than that yeah if you can sit in an air conditioned and heated office for $20/hr there's no point in having half a hou$e worth of tools and a bad body by the time your 50
     
  12. catwelder

    catwelder Well-Known Member

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    the problem around my area when i was trying to get into being a laborer to move up to operator is that no one wanted to hire me as a laborer because no experience as a laborer or because i could weld but welding would not lead me to the path of operator so it was just annoying
     
  13. cuttin edge

    cuttin edge Senior Member

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    I have never been hired with a resume. Every job I have ever got was by knowing someone. It's hard for a company to trust someone they don't know with a machine they have a lot of capital tied up in. A young fella that was hired once told me he figured they should teach everyone about running a roller, because they always stick you on one.