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dump truck profit

Discussion in 'Trucks' started by deere88, Oct 28, 2008.

  1. deere88

    deere88 Active Member

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    how many hours per week does a dump truck need to be run in order to pay for itself and pay the driver? just wandering because I need one to move my machines, I just dont want to ware it out, just to pay for itself.


    I am thinking about the international 7600 with the cummins......whats your thoughts?
     
  2. busdrivernine

    busdrivernine Well-Known Member

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    Alot depends on what the pay rate is for the truck , minus all operating expense that it takes to run the truck . around here we are right now working 10 hrs a day 5 days a week when time changes then we will drop back to 9.5 hrs a day 5 days a week . Hope this helps
     
  3. PSDF350

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    Monthly payment + insurance + dot fees + registration + maintanance + driver = x amount. Then divide that by amount paid per hour (minus say $25 hr fuel) will tell you how many hours.
     
  4. dumptrucker

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    It costs me about 35 an hour to run my truck. Now I don't have a monthly payment or a driver to pay. That 35 an hour goes to paying insurance,registration,permits,maintainence,breakdowns,fuel,tires and taxes.
    So after all that I am putting about 40 an hour in my pocket. Not to bad.
    But add a truck payment and a driver and that is going to drop. About 10 dollars less with a truck payment and another 20 for driver payment. Then you are only putting about 10 dollars an hour in your pocket, ouch! You can make money with a truck if you do it right.

    I started out with a cheap truck cost me 10 grand , only a 200 a month payment on it. I ran it hard for 3 years , spent about 2 to 3 grand a year in breakdown costs and was able to make enough money to pay for my newer truck, 40 grand, in cash. Now I have got a good truck with no payment. I still would be running the other truck if this truck hadn't fallen in my lap. I used to laugh when listening to these guys that have to have a pretty truck and go spend 150 grand whine about not making money, and then I roll up with my "junk" and I am charging the same hourly rate as them , but putting more in my pocket.
     
  5. Bellboy

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    How would you work off, or use a semi dump truck, say 20m3?
     
  6. LowBoy

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  7. petersfamilytru

    petersfamilytru Well-Known Member

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    A cheaper, older dump truck with a smaller engine... You just don't need 525 hp to run at 48-52,000 gvw... Unless your using a transfer dump or pulling a 4 axle dump trailer.

    I have an old narrow hood Kenworth W-924 with a small cam 350 cummins. It has plenty of power and will run day in and day out... If there is work, which there isn't. But that isn't the trucks fault!

    My new tractor/trailer setup doesn't profit near as much per hour as that old KW dumptruck.

    If you look at any of the sand & gravel outfits with 20 or 30 power units, they always run older, low horsepower trucks. It just makes sense! It's the single truck owner/operators who think it's cooler to drive a fancy truck and live in a dump, than drive an older truck and have some money left over!

    My dumptruck hasn't work in months... I couldn't imagine how bad it would suck to have payments on a truck that doesn't work.
     
  8. Bellboy

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    I love the old Merc trucks, especially the day-cabs, but what kind of work would you do with them? I always thought you could just put your services out there, but what can you use the truck/ smei trailer setup it for?
     
  9. Turbo21835

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    Hmmm, I havent seen anyone mention the fact that they need to be making enough money per hour to cover replacement cost. Eventually that old clunker is gonna break and you will need to buy a new clunker
     
  10. dumptrucker

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    Apparently you didn't see my reply. See below.

    I started out with a cheap truck cost me 10 grand , only a 200 a month payment on it. I ran it hard for 3 years , spent about 2 to 3 grand a year in breakdown costs and was able to make enough money to pay for my newer truck, 40 grand, in cash.
     
  11. Dwan Hall

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    I didn't think dump trucks were suppose to pay for them self. I thought they were a necessary evil.

    Dose not mater if it is paid for or not you still have to spread the cost of the truck over the total time you own it. The longer you own it the less the investment cost. excluding maintenance and fuel which needs to be factored into the over all cost.

    You need to fill n your own costs as ever ones is a little different.

    cost of truck / total hours expected use
    if your truck cost $100,000.00 and you ran it for 20 hours per week for 5 years it would be around 200,000miles or 4800 hours @ 40 mph.
    $100,000/4800 = $20.00 /hr.

    Fuel @ 8 gal/hr * $4.00 = $32.00
    driver + benefits $20.00 that is if you can get someone to drive for that price. should be at least $37.50/hr.
    Maint.? depends on the truck, driver, etc. lets say $4.00/hr
    Tires 10*$350/20,000miles @ 40 mph = $7.00/mi
    insurance? $2,000 year/ hours used =?
    Highway use tax/Hours used =?
    business property tax / Hours used =? This one does not apply to all states.

    Using these figures it should cost someware around $80.00 per hour to operate. a little less if it is used a lot.
    If you are the driver you still need to take a wage.
    the owner or company also needs to make a profit.

    Get the picture?

    I was told 1/3 for the co.
    1/3 for the truck
    1/3 for the operator. was a good rule of thumb.
     
  12. nedly05

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    Excellent post, Dwan!!:thumbsup
     
  13. Greg

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    Fuel, license, maintenance, tires, hired driver screw ups, you will never break even let alone make money.
     
  14. dieselcat

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    where are you getting your information? obviously it makes money or people wouldnt be doing it :beatsme
     
  15. Greg

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    Sure are a plile of them for sale around here now. Lots of guys getting in and getting out in short time. Ya, I got dump trucks but they only get used when they have to. A lot of aggregate suppliers have trucks too. Seems like the quarries subdizie the the trucks and are a necessary evil to deliver material.
     
  16. Buster F

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    The only time i made money with my dump truck was the day i sold it
     
  17. Dwan Hall

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    Like I said earlier "I thought they were a necessary evil."
    @ less then $100/hr. you may be able to make a wage for the driver but you will not make a profit for the business and pay the overhead.
    Why are people doing it? because they have to support the other equipment on the job. and they do it at a loss.
     
  18. CM1995

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    $37.50 at 40 hours per week = $1500 gross per week
    50 weeks per year = $75,000 gross

    I have a Class A, hiring?
     
  19. Dwan Hall

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    (driver + benefits $20.00 that is if you can get someone to drive for that price. should be at least $37.50/hr.)
    That is my cost for a driver not the drivers gross. Health insurance, Unemployment tax, My part of the union fees, including fringe benefits, etc. Driver gross is about $26.10/hr.
    My small business is set up for 2 people. (wife and me)

    Sorry no employees here.
     
  20. CM1995

    CM1995 Super Moderator

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    Just a little ribbin' Dwan, the cost of living in Alaska is more than down in the lower 48, especially the southeast.

    Our going rate for a driver is $13-15 per hour plus all the other expenses you mentioned, other than union dues, which puts us in the $20 +/- range per hour for total labor burden.