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Coolant in oil pan JD6059

Discussion in 'Motor Graders' started by rsherril, Feb 6, 2017.

  1. rsherril

    rsherril Well-Known Member

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    So I didn't sleep too well last night thinking about Birken's post. I also suspect that the block heater failure wasn't just coincidence, but maybe had something to with absence of coolant. So I probably ran it for about 5 hr. with contaminated oil. I have just about lost all my innocence here. So my plan to get it to town will include worst case scenario of .....ouch!

    We know the engine will turn over so it will start and I can take it easy for the first couple of miles and get a feel for how it's going. If it doesn't sound good I can pull it over in friendly territory while I've still got steering, shut it down and call for transport.
    Now these 570's have a tow mode on the transmission, so worst case might be a heavy duty tow truck. Might even be cheaper than the $400 minimum for the lowboy. Does it sound like maybe I still haven't quite lost all my innocence yet?
     
  2. rsherril

    rsherril Well-Known Member

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    So the drive into town was interesting as I haven't had a piece of equipment around traffic like that since .... a long time ago. Never through double round abouts just off interstate traffic. A first for me, maybe for some drivers too.
    So I arrived at the shop under my own power an with no additional ornaments. Let the mechanic, Jay, know that I had filled the radiator with straight water and that it would need drained before he left as temps were expected to be in the mId twenty's that night.. Being a mechanic, he had several jobs going, so that gave me something to worry about last night too, (l'm getting my money's out of this project). Went by early this morning to drop off the coolant half expecting to find that water hadn't been drained and then what. Well I'm not dealing amateurs as the drain tub was underneath. Looked like there was still enough coolant still in the system to protect down aways any ways.
    So it will be next week before I know the damages therefore I'm taking the weekend off. Don't Worry, Be Happy the man said, (Apparently he didn't have equipment sitting at the shop). Some how this is gonna turn out OK.
     
  3. kshansen

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    rsherril,
    Glad to hear you got it there without too much trouble. Over the years I have helped escort and on one occasion drove a piece of equipment over the road and it always amazes me how crazy some car driver act around big equipment. They seem to think a big piece of machinery can stop or turn like a little sports car and do not understand the idea of if you can not see the operator he sure as **** can't see you!

    Almost forgot, hope to see some pictures showing what they find once it's opened up on the operating table!
     
  4. mikebramel

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    If the leak is that slow I'd try some almond powder tablets. Sold under GM, AC Delco, or Bar's leak, etc
     
  5. rsherril

    rsherril Well-Known Member

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    Looks like I'll have some solid evidence of where the problem is today. The engine is ready to come out this morning.
    The owner of the shop called yesterday to discuss where I might want to go with this project once they open it up. Of course much of will depend on why the coolant went into the pan. As the labor costs will be significant, he thought that I might want to consider a bottom end rebuild which would include bearings, sleeves and such items. The upside being I shouldn't have any more problems "down there" in the near future.

    A little review here. The engine has 2900 hrs since the repower in 1992. It's fair to say about 100 hrs per year since then and I intend to put about 200 more hours on it before we part company. I would expect resale value around 15-20K. So I'm weighing the cost benefits for resale. I think that I wIll be looking at 5K for the bottom end rebuild, sleeves and so on.
    As we won't know the cause and conditions until around noon today, that will have some bearing, (no pun intended), on the decision.
    I expect that they will want to know what's next and I'll need to give them an answer for a parts order soon afterwards. Will keep you posted but I'll most likely have to make a decision before the end of the day. Would appreciate any comments beforehand concerning the pros and cons of a bottom end rebuild for resale value.
    - Bob
     
  6. cuttin edge

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    2900 hrs is nothing. If the rod and mains are still in spec, I wouldn't touch them. The crank might be pitted from water in the base, but if not I'd leave them alone.
     
  7. rsherril

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    That's my thinking as these engines should be able to go 7000 to 10,000 hrs before that kind of work. I think we'll just have to see what we got before "I get my panties in a bunch" so to speak. Thanks
     
  8. rsherril

    rsherril Well-Known Member

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    I'm home now and watching some deer in the yard and the whole predator prey relationship is coming into focus. These deer all have stations, some feeding and some looking out. Around the neighborhood some cougar tracks have been spotted, so the deer have a right to be nervous. Thinking back to my grader being torn down with it's innards hanging out I'm beginning to get the picture. I've probably got a couple grand in shop bills now and still don't have a clue as to the cause of the red stuff in the sump.
    I watched the pressure test with the motor outside and nothing was coming out the lower end. Came back later and the engine is on legs in the shop. The idea is to do another pressure test in a controlled environment.
    Still can't rule out a head gasket. Will have to wait until Monday for results.
    I've set some limits on what's it's worth around 3K. After that, I'm thinking fix it and sell it.
    Shop seems amenable to doing that on site. I'm thinking it's gonna be a long weekend.
    Any one want to fill me in on the details on how this might work out? I'm seeing all kinds of possibilities here, some better than others.
    When you sell a piece of equipment on site, does the shop expect a cut? If so, how much? Does the shop have any incentives here? If so, does this deal need to be in writing? Are my panties bunching prematurely?