With the new and unimproved ultra-low sulfur fuel coming ( #2 fuel quality is decreasing). Who runs additives? Remember the last time fuel went to low sulfur content and the subsequent injector and pump problems?
Comments please.
Always run a premium fuel
Pour in an otc additive regularly.
Pour in an otc additive occasionally.
Never or rarely use an additve or premium fuel.
With the new and unimproved ultra-low sulfur fuel coming ( #2 fuel quality is decreasing). Who runs additives? Remember the last time fuel went to low sulfur content and the subsequent injector and pump problems?
Comments please.
Last edited by salesrep; 02-18-2005 at 09:26 AM.
I thought that I would re-open this topic. I have begun to see much additional interest in my premium fuel sales ( we have a fuel improver that makes #2 diesel fuel a premium).
At the very least I think y"all ought to be adding a lubricity additive to your machines. The new ultra-low sulphur fuel has already began to go from 1500 ppm to an ultimate gaol of 15 ppm.
Sulphur adds lubricity. Without lubricity the risks of pump and injector failures will escalate without preventative measures.
Ask your fuel supplier what add pkgs he is indeed adding. Do not accept the generic answer of "We already treat our fuel"
They may indeed treat the fuel. But with what? anti-corrosion? biocide? lubricity?, detergency pkg? all of the above?
Salesrep,
So what's the scoop on yours? Biocide, cetane improver,emulsify-demulsify,lower waxing point,lubricity etc etc. What is your opinion on emulsifiers as opposed to demulsifying. Do you have a general statement or does it pertain to certain mfg's. This seems to be a sticker for some mfg's, some like emulsifying some like demulsifying.
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"So what's the scoop on yours? Biocide, cetane improver,emulsify-demulsify,lower waxing point,lubricity etc etc. "
All of the above. Plus cummins L-10 detergency n-14 corrosion specs.
As far as general statement goes. I think that both emulsifiers and de-emulsifiers can do a good job. The key is getting a product that performs as said.
Last edited by salesrep; 04-17-2005 at 11:31 PM.
Salesrep is schaeffer's fuel additive good to add to our diesel trucks, with the new fuel we all are going to have put additives in our diesels or mix with biodiesels.
2006 T180 BOBCAT
2005 RIDGELINE 21' DECKOVER
2000 F-250 7.3 POWERSTROKE!
Using Schaeffer's Supreme Blend oil, Soy Guard, and 238 Moly Grease
puredieselpower...your vendor must sell you some crap fuel when you're in the market to throw a bunch of additives in it.
do you teach best what you need to learn the most?
Know just wondering what is going to happen next year when the lower sulfer fuels will be out.Originally Posted by dayexco
2006 T180 BOBCAT
2005 RIDGELINE 21' DECKOVER
2000 F-250 7.3 POWERSTROKE!
Using Schaeffer's Supreme Blend oil, Soy Guard, and 238 Moly Grease
puredieselpower, you need to go to your fuel vendor, and say.......this is the minimum requirements my equipment manufacturer requires, can you meet it? if he can't, drive up and down the road until you find somebody that can.
do you teach best what you need to learn the most?
it doesn't matter after jan 07 all vendors will be introducing the new ultra low sulfer fuels.
2006 T180 BOBCAT
2005 RIDGELINE 21' DECKOVER
2000 F-250 7.3 POWERSTROKE!
Using Schaeffer's Supreme Blend oil, Soy Guard, and 238 Moly Grease
i might be naive and foolish, but i truly can't believe that after jan. 7th...virtually every diesel engine in the united states is going to start to run like crap. or have bad fuel economy. that's not really the way the system works. i'm old enough to remember what everybody said when the talk was that we were going to have to burn unleaded gas in our vehicles...we survived.
do you teach best what you need to learn the most?
I understand what you are saying, and however lower sulfer ( sulfer being a lubercant) there are bound to be problems. the reason why additives are important.
2006 T180 BOBCAT
2005 RIDGELINE 21' DECKOVER
2000 F-250 7.3 POWERSTROKE!
Using Schaeffer's Supreme Blend oil, Soy Guard, and 238 Moly Grease
what can i say? spend your money dude
do you teach best what you need to learn the most?
I dump a little astroglide into the tank each time i fill up.
Not that i am trying to overspend, i just want some answeres, and keep my investment running
2006 T180 BOBCAT
2005 RIDGELINE 21' DECKOVER
2000 F-250 7.3 POWERSTROKE!
Using Schaeffer's Supreme Blend oil, Soy Guard, and 238 Moly Grease
2 cents worth.
ulsd and the quality of #2 fuel should be a concern to all. Many, many, many variables. Supply vs. demand for both additives and base fuel plays a large part: before the hurricanes set the industry back. Bio also is loosely regulated ( ask the minnesotians). I believe fuel treatments are an absolute necessity for preventitive maintenance. If you get a 1 or 2 % fuel economy gain by using treaments it pays for itself and more.
The pipelines will ship out the new ulsd with 3-6 ppm of sulfur to ensure that the end user gets the 15 ppms as per reg. (down from the curretn 500ppm)
This will be a very dry fuel and while lubricity additives will be added I do not think for one minute that the big boys will put extra in, so y'all better.
The older machines are at risk from a lubricity standpoint ie injectors, pumps.
While the newer 07 machine darn well better run ulsd as they are not designed for the "old" fuel.
"Oem's did not quite get thelubricity performance level we would prefer fpr diesel fuel" program leader for detroit diesel.
80% of all fuel is to be ulsd by oct 15. Newer machines will also strain the oil due to the egr deal.
Be prepared for prices to go up 5-9 cents just on the ulsd costs.
Treatments make good economic sense. A good one will boost fuel economy, give you a cleaner burn, add lubricity and all in all help prevent precious downtime and/or repair bills.
Variables, variables, variables and uncertainty are the biggest concern. Keep in mind as well that any and all tests done would have been done with the "best"fuel under typically ideal circumstances. NOT the real world and surely not the environment many of you work in.
The new hfrr device designed to measure lubricity req. cost 60k. Every fuel jobber in the country will not purchase these. Even the super jobbers are hesitant.
Imo. Some will do just fine. Some type of machines will perform as usual, some will not. Some fuel will be up to par, many batches will not be. Some machines will show effects sooner or later or not at all.
Historically ( pre ulsd) operations that run consistant fuel treatments have less fuel related problems and get better fuel economy and tht will be even more important in the future. Just cheap insurance.
Mark
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