Fiat 70CI. Repairs, modifications and stories.

[Josh Timms]

Hi, this is my first posing on the forum. My names Josh and ive been reading the forum for a while now and decided to finally join.
Im looking for a fiat 50/60/70 ci to restore or refurbish. I live in Morayfield but ive got land just north of Bundaberg. Garrie are you still looking to
sell yours? any info or leads would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance every one. Josh.

[Garrie Denny]

Hi Josh welcome to the Forum. Yes im still thiking of selling the old girl. (the Dozer i mean).

[nutwood]

Was fantastic actually, back in brisvegas working tonight 6 to whenever at Toombull shopping centre tye - in for new 100 mm line. Anyway tried the beast yesterday at home and whenever i pull back on the clutch engager arm and stop and than before you changed gear pattern, nothing elsemoving only the gear selector and then when clutch is engaged youre going in the opposite direction than when you stopped, loopy? who knows. Garrie.

Sounds like you have a fascinating little problem there Garrie.
I read your earlier description and I'm a bit confused. In the above post you say "...move the forward reverse selector arm the machine goes into the opposite direction...". That sounds like the response you expect when you move the reverse selector but your earlier post talks about moving the gear select reversing the direction which is definitely not right!
Just to clarify; If you are going forwards, disengage the clutch ( I push forward on mine to do this?), stop, leave the forward/reverse selector alone, and change from 1st to 2nd, the machine will now go backwards? If it does, does it go backwards at about the same speed as it was going forwards before or lot's faster?

[ianoz]

Hi Josh . Welcome to the Forum .
Don't want to whiteant Garrie ,but I have a Fiat 70CI that am looking to sell .
It is waiting on a new waterpump ,so not running at present .Hopefully W/pump is not to far away from getting here .I am up near Gladstone ,so you could look at Garries on the way to Bundy and ours ,when it suited you . PM me if interested .

[Josh Timms]

Hi Josh welcome to the Forum. Yes im still thiking of selling the old girl. (the Dozer i mean).

Thanks Garrie its been great reading all the posts. What's the best way to speak to you about the "old girl". Josh.

[Josh Timms]

Thanks Ianoz I'm not sure how to pm. Very new to forums mate. Josh

[Garrie Denny]

Josh;0409317494

[Garrie Denny]

Nutwood, thats exactly what she does same speed,no change and yes my 70ci dessengages when you push the engagement lever backwards,pushing the lever forward engages.

[nutwood]

Sounds to me that you have a tractor gearbox and you're engaging reverse. The tractors didn't have a reverser box and had a reverse gear in the gearbox. Mine is lacking the necessary shaft and gear in the box to reverse direction but you can see where they should be.
What is your shift pattern on the gear box?
Regarding the clutch; that's another difference. When I push my clutch lever forward, in the direction of travel, it first disengages the clutch and then it activates a little brake in the clutch housing that stops the front shaft of the gearbox (reverser actually) spinning, thus allowing a smooth shift. I replaced that little brake recently which was a fun exercise that I intend to write up for this forum.
I think I'd find my machine quite hard to drive if the clutch action was reversed as I have to lean forward to reach the full travel forward, whereas I sit back in the seat and work the master clutch and the hydraulics quite comfortably. Again it sounds like a tractor modification with a different pivot arrangement.

[ianoz]

Josh, Click on my name and click personel message .

[Garrie Denny]

Nutwood. I think you may well be onto somethingthere (as Usual) Im heading back up home on weeked and will check your theory. I have to change the blade spindles on the ride on cutter deck that the old girl likes to use as HER dozer,(Might have to re-think selling the other old girl after all).Ill let you know what the g-box pattern on the stick is, as per the clutch engagement mine engages slowly as you apply forward pressure until it lockks on havent had a problem with that.

[nutwood]

as per the clutch engagement mine engages slowly as you apply forward pressure until it lockks on havent had a problem with that.

I suppose it's just what you get used to. Actually I can see advantages, in that I sometimes have problems with the scenery trying to climb aboard and help me drive. If the lever action was reversed this'd disengage the clutch rather than jam it engaged....

[Queenslander]

Nutwood, I think it may be you that has the modified clutch.
I haven't operated a 70ci but I have driven several AT7s ,which are essentially the same tractor, and they have all had the same clutch setup as Garrie's.
Cheers, Greg

[nutwood]

I think you may be right Greg. I've been investigating and indeed my clutch should work the other way. Apparently they are sometimes modified so as to be the same as a Cat. This is the only Fiat I've driven so I've never questioned it. Funny thing is that the bloke I bought it from, who was a long term Fiat man, never mentioned it. He probably did it as a standard modification on all his machines.
There you go, learn something every day. Thanks!!

[Garrie Denny]

Hi Ian, how the hell ar ya ? I didnt know much about White -Ants till i heard two Rosellas eating at my bird feeder talking about a good nest of them they spotted in a hole in an old dozer up north of Bundy that was full of them, im sure they said something about you woudnt find that sort of thing aroud Gin-Gin.keep well brother,Garrie.