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    Digging a pond???

    I thought i knew how to dig a pond with my D5G, but after reading a bunch of posts, maybe not!

    I have a 50' x 75' hole to dig, 7' deep. Material is dry clay. Owner doesn't want large banks, so i expect to spread the spoil over a 75 or 100' around the edges.

    Not sure on how steep to make the sides.

    I could dig it with my ec240, and dress with the dozer, not sure which would be best.

    Owner wants a fixed price.

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    If a Pond is what we call a Ground Tank (for livestock to water at) the sides should be a 3 to 1 batter and 90% are dug with a Dozer. The going rate here is $1.80 to $2.00 a cubic meter, our country around here has no rock under it, if theres a chance of rock the price has to reflect this.
    There is a formular to work out how much dirt will come out of hole with a 3 to 1 batter but old timers desease has got me and i cant remember what it is.
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    sounds like a perfect job for my D8 and D7 pulling pans. Hardcounty's unit cost sounds a bit low for around here.

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    diggin 7ft with a 5 and pushing it that far will take awhile, anyway you could rent a bigger dozer?

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    You are looking at moving around 2200 CY with a 25% swell just for the 50'x75'x7' hole. Then add the slopes that the owner wants to your total CY.

    I agree with Greg, $2 a CM/CY is low for a small job. Smaller the job, the higher the price per CM/CY. With fuel at $3.50 or so a gallon for off-road, $5K for that job seems skinny to me.

    I would probably bail the dirt with the 240 and dress with the D5, preferably have another operator on either the hoe or D5 to make it go faster. Set the hoe up cutting the 50' wide section, it should be able to get the dirt close enough to the banks so the 5 doesn't have to travel as far.
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    why am i whining?

    yeah, i agree. with all the sniveling i do about prices 5 k seems way low. but if it is clay and you have a good sized hoe and a dozer. what are the two pieces worth an hour. i get $150 an hour on a 210 and $145 on my 850h. , so round it to 300 an hour by 10 hours a day. 3 days total, so for me i would be around 10k, but your market may be different. i would shoot for a minimum of $7500. and your gonna have to hustle.
    plus how well does the client want it shaped? what about the inlet and outlet?
    good luck, try to get as much as you can!!
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    I would be in the $3.50 a cubic yard range on this one. Take D8K with Cat No. 80 pan and a small finish dozer. Cut, haul and spread with D8 and pan. Use finish dozer as required and to finish grade. That comes to $7,700.00 US. Should be in and out complete finished in three days by myself. Finish dozer not needed full time on a job like this one for me.

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    one question are you digging a hole in the midle of a flat field or do you need the spoil to build a dam, it sounds more like a lagoon the way you are describeing it. If it is an ag pond the NRCS around here uses $1.40/yd for there estamates. but if it was site prep work I would be close to gregs numbers. Also I just ran the numbers and it is only 2064 cu/yds with the slopes included
    Length x width x height /27
    50 x 75 x 7 =26250 /27= 972 cu/yds
    slopes 3:1 are 21 feet in distance so just picture to triangels on tope of each other and you have a cube so you only have to figure 2 sides for the slope yardage
    21x7x50=7350/27=272 cu/yds
    21x7x75=11,025/27=408 cu/yds added together - 1652 cu/yds multiplied by 1.25 for swell and you get 2065 cu yds.
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    I believe I'd bail the dirt with the 240, and dresss it with the d5. I'd figure about $7500 US dollars, dunno how many Canadian ones that is.
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    By the way, from a SE-US cowman to a SE-IA one, I love your signature line.
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    Yair...I honestly don't understand. Eights and sevens with scoops? Excavators...even finish Cats, bloody hell! multiple machines to build a puddle hole. What world do you blokes live in? A hole that size is a couple of days work for (say) a Komatsu 65.

    Look at it this way. Fifty foot is just five slots and it's only three maybe four floors deep...get real fellers, five grand tops.

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    That will get some bites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdg View Post
    that will get some bites.
    :-) :-)
    Last edited by OldandWorn; 08-17-2011 at 06:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SE-Ia Cowman View Post
    . Also I just ran the numbers and it is only 2064 cu/yds with the slopes included
    Length x width x height /27
    50 x 75 x 7 =26250 /27= 972 cu/yds
    Your right SE-Ia Cowman it's around 1200 for the base hole with a 25% swell. I think I am getting dyslexic or it's just the heat. I looked back at my chicken scratch from last night and I just replaced the 1 with a 2 in my post.

    As far as choosing a machine to do the job, the OP has a 240 and a D5. If I was him and had that job that's what I would use. IMO in this economy you use what you already have on your yard, no sense in paying the rental house if you have machines sitting.

    Greg would use his 8's with pans and CD would use his 210 and 850. I would use my 953. All would get the job done and hopefully make money.

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    get real??

    different strokes different folks, thats all i can say. maybe someone will want to dig it with a 7500 mini that never breaks down and is the best.... who knows.
    i guess you guys guys do it different down under

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