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    tooth wear

    There are a lot of things that effect tooth wear...carbide composition (cobalt content), material abrasiveness, material average particle size, drum design (perhaps the biggest influence), water distribution, load in the drum (depth and speed).

    Unknown to many users, most carbide used in milling teeth comes from a waste process while making a different carbide product. If it didn't these teeth would cost significatly more. The problem becomes the content of additives in the carbide..additives like cobalt..which affects both the strength and wear resisatance of the carbide materials...too little and the tips become too hard and break easily, too much and the tips wear too fast because the material is softer. Due to the demands in the different primary products which generates the waste carbide, this content may vary over time...greatly affecting the characteristics of the milling teeth.

    As most have you have seen, teeth typically wear out in the body before the carbide is gone...known as "body wash". Variations in the amount of wear are in part material dependant (silica content, cutting depth, and particle size), but in great part due to drum design as well. The ultimate design parameter that controls tooth wear is how efficiently a given cutter drum gets the millings up on the primary conveyor belt. The drum which takes the fewest rotations to get the cuttings rap onto the belt will invariably have the best tooth wear. You can guage your drum evacuation efficiency by observing the surge pile remaining at the rear of the drum when lifting out of the cut...a small pile is good. Drum flight configuration, and drum kicker plate angles and locations are key..as well as the elevating angle of the discharge conveyor.

    Water jhas a great effect on the wear as well. Not only does water cool the teeth, but it adds lubricant to the cutting action, and tooth rotation in the holders as well. Sufficient water is very important, but equally so is the uniform distribution of water across the drum. Water spray should always be to the front of the tooth, never to the rear of the holder. Spraying water under pressure to the rear of the holder on conventional holders, will drive the milling fines into the rear of the holder bore, which fines will then cause the teeth to bind and wear out very prematurely (flatted carbides most common sign)

    Several mentions have been made in other posts on this forum about the importance of cleaning asphalt build up on the sides of the drum. The only time this occurs (with the possible exception of milling sand mixes which by their nature mill "hot") is either when the outside cutters are not correctly positioned and the milling drum is generating drag heat at it's edges, or no water spray is reaching the outer cutters causing overheating. A correctly designed/repaired outside edge pattern in combination with adequate water spray will no longer generate build up at the drum edges.

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    Forgot to mention improper angles of attack as a major cause of premature tooth wear. This is more true on welded drums than on "quick change" holder systems.

    Milling teeth in asphalt are typically most efficient at around 45 degrees, and skewed 7 - 8 degrees to the center of the drum. However due to the presence of concrete under asphalt in many roads, a steeper angle of attack is more effective. At the 45 degree angle the edge of the carbide tends to strike the underlying concrete either simultaneously with the nose of even before the nose engages. This will cause the sauder which holds the carbide to it's metal body to break and the tooth to lose it's carbide point. Hence an angle of around 42 - 43 degrees becomes the ideal. This angle is measured from the trued angle of the tooth axis (including skew) to a radian line from the tip of the tooth to the center axis of the drum.

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    Those CAT teeth are effin garbage.

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    Well....CAT teeth in a PR1000 did ok in Scottsdale, AZ. They out lasted Sandvik Tri-spec.

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    Saber teeth

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    there is allot of different teeth out there I'd like to know what everyones experience with different brands/types what they are using and for what application.


    Around here we stick to wirtgen mostly W6's for the most part but we get into w7's and 8's sometimes. Most of them are using in recycling operations cutting 4-6 inches deep.


    Attached are some pictures of different sandvik and kenametal teeth that are being used in rx900/pr800's for shallow milling.

    Has anyone had experience with those funny looking roadrazor teeth?
    The SABER T7W by EVERPADS holds up pretty good in deep cuts for both asphalt and concrete.

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    John deer teeth? I imagine they are just rebranded or something?Name:  jd.jpg
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    Did anybody try that novapick system (diamond tips)

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    I've seen them used, they are indeed worth it if you don't mind the cost of the drum and higher tip prices. In Florida I saw Mill-it use those teeth on the I-10 just outside Jacksonville, they cut over 75,000 sq yds and changed two tips. In the city like that down there the asphalt is generally pretty hard on the interstates.

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    Did you ever run into Sam Breckbill from VR Wesson or Earl Wright from Minning Tool or any of several other companies. Those two guys could tell stories about Teeth and Milling companies that would top even what you can ever think of. Earl used to send out pocket watches when he delievered teeth. They would dropship teeth to the job site. Then take us out for a steak. We need a few more salesmen like they were.
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    I don't know those names you mentioned. However Wirtgen used to have an older tooth salesman who died a few years ago, he would show up in the most strange locations coming out of nowhere. All of a sudden he would appear with a cold drink and start asking questions about the teeth we were using and how they were wearing...told a few stories, sometimes he would stay at the same hotel and take us out too eat and all that. Donny from Wirtgen (a tech) was all out. If he showed up too your job the party was on that night for sure. Dean from Sandvik is pretty cool too.

    Shoot me off an email and I'll put together a list of people you can contact. Once the season ends I'd be interested in checking out this system and maybe getting something going too for the following spring.

    milling_drum@yahoo.com
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    Kennametal

    Looks like Kennametal have it on Wirtgen now, I knew this was coming.
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    Are those kennametal's HT11 "aftermarket" holders?

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    Those holders are going into a W2200, an entire set of them. If I'm around KP long enough I'll let you know how they held up. They are from Kennametal, I wouldn't mark off anything Kennametal puts out as "aftermarket" because I'll bet pennies to nickels these hold up better then the ones Wirtgen put out for they're own drum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenstarltd View Post
    Did anybody try that novapick system (diamond tips)
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    The outfit I am with just installed a novapick drum into a w2000, the cut looks real good.
    Its a rental and they provide a certain number of teeth per month.
    After some heavy milling will have a better idea of the cost vs. factor.
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    Looks like a cross between a Sollomi and Kennametal 303. How many spare heads did they start you off with? I was told by a few people that its a lease/purchase program and if you like they sell you a drum at a pretty decent price in the end.

    The Novapick sales people are getting after the market like crazy, contractors aren't biting down on it until they get some kind of guarantee they will have staying life....should be an interesting season with that.

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