Your welcome.Do you need the cdl or not? Send us a picture of the truck.Originally Posted by Cretebaby
Your welcome.Do you need the cdl or not? Send us a picture of the truck.
No I dont need a CDL
What good is a picture LOL
Well,we spent some time on this issue.The least you could do is send us a picture of the truck.
What are trying to say you are just here for the pictures
Its just a pickup and trailer nothing to look at really
All states require a class A for trailers over 10,000lb. It is a federal requirement. Any state can be more strict in their requirements, but they cannot be more lenient.
Thats where you are wrong Cretebaby.We are here fore conversation and education.Pictures always help.I have ran everything from a hand shovel to aircraft.Post a picture of your rig.I'll bet it's interesting .What are trying to say you are just here for the pictures
Its just a pickup and trailer nothing to look at really
That is incorrect
I will try to get a picture in the next few days for you
PS I love picture since I cant read
Cretebaby, I get my information from the FMSCA which is the federal association that sets the minimum standards for commercial trucking in the US. All states must comply with their minimum standards. They clearly state that a commercial license is required for trailers over 10,000lbs.
Where do you get your information that a commercial license is not needed for trailers over 10,000lbs? I ask this question in able to determine where a discrepancy lies.
Classes of License:
The Federal standard requires States to issue a CDL to drivers according to the following license classifications:
Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
Class B -- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.
Class C -- Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, or is placarded for hazardous materials.
This is from the FMCSA site
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registratio...ng/cdl/cdl.htm
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...Random/CDL.jpg
I realize this says Maine on the top but it can be found in many states CDL manuals
Regarding trailers > 10k and the class A CDL:
The combination has to be over 26k and the trailer in that combination has to be more than 10k to require a class A CDL. So in theory a 25k truck and a 10k trailer = no CDL, a 15k truck and a 15k trailer = Class A CDL.
Orchard EX that is the way I understand the "grey" area of the CDL requirements. I have two F350's, one single wheel - (11K GVW) and one dualie (13K GVW). I have a 14K GVW gooseneck I can pull with either one. Pull it with the single wheel - GCWR 25K no class A CDL. Pull it with the dualie - GCWR 27K requires a class a CDL.
From - http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registratio...ng/cdl/cdl.htm
Classes of License:
The Federal standard requires States to issue a CDL to drivers according to the following license classifications:
Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
Class B -- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.
Class C -- Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, or is placarded for hazardous materials.
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I stand corrected. I guess I can't read as I misread the FMCSA Class A requirement. In my state, California, they either misread the federal requirement as I did, or they opted to be more strict (which is often the case) because they clearly require a Class A to pull a 10,000K + trailer no matter what the tow vehicle weighs.
Sorry for any confusion I may have caused.
No worriesI stand corrected. I guess I can't read as I misread the FMCSA Class A requirement. In my state, California, they either misread the federal requirement as I did, or they opted to be more strict (which is often the case) because they clearly require a Class A to pull a 10,000K + trailer no matter what the tow vehicle weighs.
Sorry for any confusion I may have caused.
It would be interesting to know if California misintrepreted the FMSCA guideline or if that is there true intentions to require a Class A for the 10k+ trailer
That's what makes the CDL rules so confusing. Add the grey area in the Federal Rules plus the fact that the states can individually adopt stricter rules and it becomes a state by state issue. And of course the individual interpretation of each DOT officer in the field.I stand corrected. I guess I can't read as I misread the FMCSA Class A requirement. In my state, California, they either misread the federal requirement as I did, or they opted to be more strict (which is often the case) because they clearly require a Class A to pull a 10,000K + trailer no matter what the tow vehicle weighs.
Sorry for any confusion I may have caused.
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