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    duck walking, what are the causes an what ways do you deal with it?

    With Pull scrapers, duck walking typically happens in light cuts at higher speeds. Its the side to side rocking motion of the blade in the cut. This is often confused with power hop, with creates more of a washboard cut in similar conditions (usually light grade work). Slowing down a bit...
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    Challengers & Scrapers

    I know Challenger had fits with those track belts. Probably why Deere stayed away from rubber tracks for so long. We'll have to wait and see what that new 9R's got.
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    Challengers & Scrapers

    I'm sure I'm late to the party here, so sorry. I've run the Challengers, Deere's, Case wheel, and QuadTrac. The Challengers have some nice features, a great cab, and smooth hydraulics. There a ton of nice things I can say about them, but sadly, they are less productive than the Deere and Case...
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    tractor pans or scrapers which do you like better

    I think the argument is being framed all wrong. The debate shouldn't be which system should you always use. You use both, depending on condition. Its pretty simple, actually. If your running anything lighter than moderate rock under a few thousand feet haul, you run the pans every time...
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    tractor pans or scrapers which do you like better

    Seriously though, are you suggesting that the self propelled wouldn't have gotten stuck in that mud? :roll wait. :Banghead
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    tractor pans or scrapers which do you like better

    You make a valid point, but I think the piece that you might be missing is maintenance and repair costs. Parts and upkeep are low and relatively flat throughout the useful life of the tractor and pans, while Self propelled scrapers get pretty pricey, especially when they get up in age. For the...
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    Deere high speed scaper ?

    Guys, lets not get too excited here. Small scraper applications are just another selling feature for the HSD. Many contractors are using farm tractors on the job site to pull a disk, road maintainer, or a sheep's foot and this is a part of the market Deere would probably like to grab with this...
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    Small Dolly paddle Scraper

    Aggie, Unfortunately, I would say no. You may be able to get it half full or to struck in really easy dirt, but IMO, you won't have enough HP. You would really need to be closer to 150 HP to load that thing without tearing up your tractor.
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    worlds largest pull type

    Swamp rat, I know who this guy works for and I can tell you that the owner of his company does not share his opinions of Deere. They are operating a large fleet of scrapers in extreme conditions with a bunch of experimental stuff that Deere is closely monitoring. His observations are based on...
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    worlds largest pull type

    Let me guess. You are a young operator. Am I right? Based on your post, I'd bet you are at least old enough to drink. I wouldn't mind having a swig of that, myself.:drinkup When I say CAT self-propelled, I mean CAT self propelled, not an AGCO tractor. You claimed that these machines run...
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    Scrapers vs Ag Tractor

    Its simple economics. You can get the equipment cheaper, move as much dirt cheaper per yard, and in most cases you don't need a pusher. If you treat the tractor right, you will have less down time and the resale is good. You get much better flotation and the compaction is more even. If it...
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    worlds largest pull type

    Its not the ability to carry the weight over the axle that hurts the truck; that's what ADT's are designed for. What ADT's are NOT designed to do is TOW 80 tons of dead weight in addition to 26 tons at the hitch. This doesn't even take into account the massive shock loads created once that 12...
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    worlds largest pull type

    Deere makes the three top spec 4X4's in a scraper version; and have for the last few years. You won't put 10,000 hours on them, but even if you turn them over every few years, you still come out cheaper than a CAT. Their pans, IMO, are the best out there. They buried Reynolds over the years...
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    worlds largest pull type

    This is really true of any pull-type concept over Cats. When the conditions are right, you can't move dirt cheaper. The problem with these K-Tec's in my opinion is that they are too big. You lose many of the advantages to pull type when you try to run one, huge scraper. For example, you will...
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    worlds largest pull type

    Yes, its a 740. I corrected myself in the previous post. I agree with you that if it cannot consistently direct load, the rig costs almost as much as a cat, and you cant get through the rocks, is it worth running over a cat? I would argue no, but that's just my opinion. Like I said, I...
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    worlds largest pull type

    You're right. The video is probably a 740. They were doing a demo up and down the west coast last year with that rig behind a Volvo t450d scraper truck. Brain fart.:Banghead
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    worlds largest pull type

    I guess it all depends, but I think you might be assuming that this 53 yard pull pan can direct load in a number of conditions and I'm hearing it can't. A friend of mine saw it run and said it'll never sniff 50 yards. That isn't a regular ADT that's pulling it either, its a Volvo scraper...
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    worlds largest pull type

    Deere makes a beefed up tractor especially for pull-type scraper applications. It can handle the tongue weight and rides smoothe as glass compared to a cat scraper. It has nowhere near the longevity of a cat scraper, but you can put a fair amount of hours on it, swap it out and still come out...
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    worlds largest pull type

    I hear that the transmissions in those trucks aren't a good fit for pull-scrapers either. Geared up too high and not designed for pulling. I guess it doesn't matter because the crawler is doing most of the work in the cut.
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