S. Madill, Blacksmith, Founded in 1911 in Nanaimo BC

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1931 kenworth said:

Hi I talked to my father Bill Forrester (madillbill) he looked up the 075 serial numbers and that 90020 was the first one built it was built for Lemare Lake Logging but they did not take it. Don't know why but the 2nd one built was sn:90024 and it went to MB Sarita div all the first ones had air tags on them then Hayes got the first water one. Larry

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I was just a kid in 1978 but was involved in the install of the backstop, gantry, boom and cab of the first rubber mount 075. it was assembled at nitnat shop yard. one of Madills original field mechanics,Sam Mclean and I believe you, donkey doctor were there as well. Sam drove it to nitnat from some where ( maybe barged to chemainus and driven from copper canyon over to nitnat???) we used to use john gorosh cranes for boom, backstop assy. could bill Gilson have operated that machine at some point back then as well?? pretty sure that first machine had a different roteck bearing as well.

Madill 122 on rubber parked at bear creek Harrison lake 2006.

Madill 12209, logging in Golden BC 2007.

Not sure if this has been covered, but? What are the differences between Double Main, Tag, and Interlock Yarders?(Cranes) I'm aware 144's are interlock machines (double mains?) Most 044's were Tag's. I've seen double main 044's too. I've also heard of interlock conversions to 044's (Doublemain?). Inquiring mind wants to know! These Madill archives are full of info for machine geeks like me, but I'm a road builder not a logger.

Hi, and welcome to the forum Hoeguy!
I'll try to explain the difference between tag and double main 044's: The tag drum is a smaller drum with 1/2" or 5/8" line compared to main that would hold 1" or 1 1/8". Tag line is used for opening grapple so you don't really need so high line strenght. Only difference to the double mains is that instead of the tag drum it has two similar main drums mounted behind each other in the winch frame, both with same line size. On the tag machines drums inside winch frame from front to back is main, haulback and guyline, while on double mains it is main, main and haulback. Thus the double main have hydraulic guyline. They are also recognizable by three big fairleads in the tower, more like on the 144/143, but the 044's are not interlocked. The double main has then a some more rugged opening line with same drum and line size as on the main used to pull the load in. If the idea was that they could be modified to be interlocked later, I don't know. On all the 100 series swing yarders drums are mounted same way as on the double mains 044's, but interlocked. The interlocking or regenerative winch means that main and haulback are directly conected by the geartrain through a slip clutch for adjusting diameter difference. On a running skyline you don't need to brake the haulback to keep line tension when hauling in and you utilize the engine power more efficient (at least in the teory). Hope this explanation gives you an idea about the differences.

Thanks Torkel, That fills a few blanks. Watched your logging vid's from the Hisnit area a few years back. My backyard so to speak, grew up in Tahsis.

New member but have been reading the forum for a good year or so. I was talking to a guy from the madill factory and he was saying that starting next year the 3800 LL will become the 3800D with the crappy tier 4 stuff. He also mentioned that the Log loaders,grapple yarder will no longer have detroit engines they will be having volvo engines. The prototype is almost done and apparently the rumour is it will burn approx 10-13 gph less then the detroits.

Gentlemen, it's been a while since I've been here, and perhaps this thread is not the right place for this. If so, I apologize and would ask the moderators to move it appropriately. A few years ago I was here looking for info on the 071, intending to build a 1/35 scale model. Several of you gave me good information, and I obtained permission to crawl over #700-97 in Tillamook. I made several trips out to that machine over the span of a couple of years for measurements and photographs. When I was last passing by in 2015, the machine was gone and I don't know if it is working or scrapped. But the model is progressing, and this should give you an idea of how it is shaping up. There is much more work to do yet. There are a few concessions to scale and materials, but none that are noticeable...stuff like parts a bit thicker than true measurements to make them stronger, or a bit smaller because the material is close enough. That spar is an example, made of .500" plastic tubing when a true-to-scale measurement is .514". I'm sure you guys won't mind...

While I don't intend to ever build another model of this machine, I do have an M26 Dragon Wagon tractor on the shelf and might try that machine built on the M26A1 soft-cab truck. A read through here indicates it was a Skagit BU-135 with Madill spar, so I need to do a lot more research on that for measurements and photos (I've downloaded the few I have here). If I can do one yarder, I can do another. This one has taken years to get this far because it isn't always straightforward how to solve the how-to-make-it problems and several iterations may be required. That Detroit Diesel 8V-71 you see in the hull tub is version number four, as an example. Enjoy!

Wow! Nice job on the 8V71T and the wichita's! It will be spectacular when you're finished.

If you need measurements for the BU-135 hoist,there is one at Brooks. I hauled a lot of logs yarded by that machine. Thirteen months steady on the last job it was on without a major breakdown. It had a 320 iron lung cummins, one of the noisiest yarders I was ever around. Excellent job on your 071, will be awesome when your finished.

Thanks, HD! The Wichitas are one of the problems that took me a long time to solve. Each one has something like forty parts before you start adding all the little bolt heads, and there's almost thirty of those. Times six, for a 318, 3x 218, and 2x 216. The winch drums will spin freely on their shafts, so I will be able to rig this thing correctly using model ship rigging thread. BTW, Campbell River is lovely and the First Nations museum is superb. We came through a few years ago at the tail end of a BC grand tour: Hope, Lillooet, Quensel, Prince George, Smithers, Prince Rupert, the inside passage ferry, Port Hardy, Campbell River, Nanaimo, and Victoria. We love BC and vacation there often.

LG, I'm uncertain about the designation on the machine but it's this one:

I've swiped that image from here, along with several others. The truck is an M26A1 Pacific, of course, but the proportions aren't quite right...the wheelbase looks like it has been stretched, and that fuel tank is much larger than the original. Threads here indicate that Skagit built the yarder on the (extended?) truck frame and Madill built the spars, back in the early 1960s. If I can pin down just which yarder model was used on this conversion, I'll know what to ask about for stuff like a sales brochure and measurements. If there's a correct yarder itself at Brooks, regardless of what it's mounted on, then I'm in good shape as my Hillsboro home isn't that far away. Tamiya makes the truck in 1/36, and I got one cheap when Bridgetown Hobbies in Portland closed a couple of years ago...I bought it with this beast specifically in mind. RealModel out of the Czech Republic makes the soft-cab conversion in resin, and the Euro is cheap right now.

Back to the 071, there is straightforward work to do yet on the deck and operator's cab, pretty simple structural modeling. The plumbing nightmare under the cab will be a challenge, as well as correctly routing the large and visible lines to the radiator and the hydraulic hoses that snake under the guyline winches and up to the spar. There are two swivel blocks on the spar that have complex shapes that will be tough to get correct, and I haven't started on the large blocks that hang from the guyline ring at the end of the spar. I do have a idea about how to do that, so it's time to start cutting plastic. At least I only need to build three of those, since 70097 is more or less my prototype and it had three guyline winches, not four. While I do have a CDP track set, I will probably use the standard Sherman sprocket and worn T48 links, mounted backwards, with a few links of T62 and T49 thrown in for interest.

Hi Beekster! What a beautiful 071 model you are building! For the truck mounted yarder I would say that is a double-oh-nine Madill with a series "S" spar.

Madill 009...check. I've got a .pdf copy of the operator's manual, sourced from one of the kind fellows here...ContractLogger, I think it might have been you? I'll have to do more digging with respect to the series "S" spar to get a better idea of what's involved with that. Don't suppose there are drawings of that floating around? It was apparently quite a bit longer than the spar on the 071.

This could get dangerous, to my hobby budget at least, if more of the pieces of the research puzzle fall into place. I might just have to think about gathering materials for the M26A1 yarder if it looks like modeling it is a realistic prospect. Construction would be challenging in some ways, but having gotten this far on the 071 I've got a handle on how to deal with a lot of the issues involved. I'll tell you what is most daunting about modeling that Skagit/Madill/Pacific rig: That yellow paint. Yellow is a bitch to do for modelers like me; it's so translucent that it doesn't cover well and required multiple thin coats. Even then you might not get the level of opacity you want before the thickness starts to obscure detail.

Hello Beekster. I'll need to look through what I have, but I think I may have drawings at least in proportion for the type of guyline/tower A-frame on the pictured yarder. I also have many, many pictures I may share with you of 009's.

TorkelH said:

Hello Beekster. I'll need to look through what I have, but I think I may have drawings at least in proportion for the type of guyline/tower A-frame on the pictured yarder. I also have many, many pictures I may share with you of 009's.

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That would be great, Torkel! First step is to positively identify that rig as a 009 on a Pacific chassis, and I'll be the first to admit I am not competent to identify it myself. Once the yarder & spar are positively identified, then it is on to finding general & detail images along with any dimensions that can be determined.

Boulder Bill .

One of Brian dormans madill towers in port alberni all ready for the truck to take it back to Harrison lake

Boulder Bill.

Boulder Bill .

Boulder Bill , Mesachie Lake . Mt. Sicker Lumber Co. 009 Madill tower mounted on an HDX Hayes carrier .