Looking to buy a dump truck need some help.

[Pbz]

Thanks for the interloperish info guys...
The truck wont get a ton of mileage so i am thinking of goong gasser. Maybe this c4500?

 

[mitch504]

Hey, are you accusing me of being a thread hijacker!? :guns I get tired of everytime I get in the middle of a thread somebody else starts, and change the subject, I get called a hijacker. Seems like it happens 5 times a day. :beatsme This is the first time I've been called an interloper though...

Gas engines powered every size truck for years, this biggest downside is fuel economy. As an extreme example, I ran an IH 1900 with an Mv404 as a spreader truck for years, burnt about 85 gallons of gas a day. I bought a 2375 with an L10 Cummins, and burnt about 30 gallons of diesel per day. Admittedly, what you want to do is nothing like that hard of duty.

Would that be big enough? Despite looking bigger, that's the same weight class as an F450.

To bring up an unpleasant subject, do you have a CDL?

 

[Jonas302]

I would think that would be a great truck for your needs your only looking at 14000 on the trailer half the capacity of a f 450 The newer fuel injected gasser in that won't get the 2 miles a gallon of the old pigs work it all day and paying for a diesel is well worth it Same thing with hydraulic brakes newer ones are light years ahead of the old style that truck probably has 4 wheel disk easy to service and get parts for

The front pumps on plow trucks dont seem to wear out some of ours are air shifted others just have a ball valve to shut the suction off when you blow a hose we run them on all the and incredibly the pumps will outlast the truck That l8000 might bring 10,000 here on a very good day

 

[Steve Frazier]

Unless you're in the flatlands, I think you'll be disappointed with a gas powered truck. In addition to better fuel mileage, you just can't beat the torque of a diesel for towing and hauling. My trucks were diesels for that reason. I never put the miles on them to justify the fuel savings but I was towing or hauling better than 80% of the time. It's a much better day in a diesel. I'm not saying it can't be done but it wouldn't be my choice.

 

[Pbz]

I'm in south florida so no hills or mountains. I do not have a cdl and want to avoid getting one for now. Insurance cost correlates to GVW and this truck is for sure titled as a flatbed. The ad says gas and for the price im inclined to believe it, but i havent spoken to the guy yet its owned by a tree nursery so who knows if its been well maintained.

Normally i outsource the work to few guys i know with full sized dump rigs when i need alot of material brought in, but i can use this rig for removal of dirt and construction debris. I build barns too and as i said the truck wont drive enough miles to justify the difference in fuel ecenomy of a diesel. My father said the same thing as "jonas302," parts are probably easily available close by and 2003 vs 87? Thats a no brainer.

I had a 05 6.0 f250 but once it started to piecof****ify i had to trade it in. Got a 2014 ram but its a 1500. Even though its a hemi with the recent purchase of this deck over trailer i need a bigger work truck.

 

[mitch504]

The reason I brought up the CDL, is because to pull your 14k trailer with any truck over 12,000 lb Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, takes a class A CDL. Any truck over 26k gvwr takes a class B CDL without the trailer. Most of the trucks you have mentioned take CDL, as does the c4500 with your trailer. If you are going to do this, you might as well go get the CDL, it's not really that hard.

 

[Pbz]

The reason I brought up the CDL, is because to pull your 14k trailer with any truck over 12,000 lb Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, takes a class A CDL. Any truck over 26k gvwr takes a class B CDL without the trailer. Most of the trucks you have mentioned take CDL, as does the c4500 with your trailer. If you are going to do this, you might as well go get the CDL, it's not really that hard.

Word. I work locally and don't hit the highways w my rig often, but you're right i should get it. I went and saw a couple bodies today but prices were high considering the trucks. I saw this day cab and my old man is going to talk w the guy tomorrow. Throw a dump bed on there and ive got a truck for years.

 

[mitch504]

Yep, those 8100s are good trucks, I've got a couple, but no way you can drive it legally w/o a CDL. It doesn't matter if you stay local, a city cop or sheriff's deputy can ruin your day. When it gets real bad is if you have an accident, even if it's not your fault.

 

[CM1995]

The reason I brought up the CDL, is because to pull your 14k trailer with any truck over 12,000 lb Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, takes a class A CDL. Any truck over 26k gvwr takes a class B CDL without the trailer. Most of the trucks you have mentioned take CDL, as does the c4500 with your trailer. If you are going to do this, you might as well go get the CDL, it's not really that hard.

Well said Mitch.

I had the conversation today with a friend of mine that has recently entered the utility business that was looking at a 10T gooseneck to pull behind an F350. Informed him he would need a CDL driver to pull the rig as there is no safe or legal way to pull a 10T trailer without a Class A. He knows his stuff on site putting pipe in the ground but is still learning all it takes to run a business - those two things can be worlds apart..:cool2

Personally I don't see the big aversion to getting CDL, as you said it's not that hard to get and once you get it, you have it.

 

[Pbz]

Yeah I'm gonna start taking practice tests and getting familiar with the manuals while i sort out a doc for a physical. Similar to your friend cm95, i am also growing my business. Im 30 and know guys who have cdl's, many of whom couldnt walk in my shoes if they tried.

 

[Pbz]

Turns out my trailer weighs 4000lbs but with skid its still over the 10k limit. I was reading i could register the truck as a farm vehicle, i do in fact own a farm. It allows for upto 150miles within registered address and i wouldn't need a cdl. Most of work revolves around the barns i build not earth moving but i do occasionally puck up a job here or there. Farm truck registration also allows for towing of implements.

 

[mitch504]

Be careful with farm tags, you can't legally do construction work on a farm with it, only custom farm work (harvesting, fertilizing, etc.).

Farm tags exempt you from federal CDL requirements, but states have different requirements for the license required. In SC, instead of an A or B, you have to have a class E or F. These cover farm, recreational, and emergency vehicles. They are not CDLs, but the tests and medical requirements are the same.

 

[Pbz]

From what i read on FLDHSMV no license requirements for farm truck reg. Similar to extending a tractor trailer chassis to install the dump body, I was discussing w/ my friend how we could also shorten a box truck chassis. Some box trucks are non cdl so with some ingenuity perhaps i could rig a small dumper that way.

 

[Willie B]

I have a C65 Chevy with 427 gas truck engine, air brakes, flat dump with sideboards. It is very useful. I tow a 9 ton with a 16,500 backhoe. It grosses 27,500 so it requires CDL. I like gas engines, but if you'll put a lot of miles on it gets costly. I probably get under 5 MPG. It has 6.89 ratio so 50 MPH is around 3500 RPM. It wouldn't lend itself well to a diesel conversion.

Check the laws, Air brakes may require a license, 26,000 is the legal limit, or 10,000 trailer to require a CDL license.

 

[mitch504]

There are many small dump trucks that are under CDL available, and that is usually a better bet than cutting down a van. the frame of a van may not be heavy enough for life as a dump, and the suspension is usually very poorly suited to getting off the asphalt, too. Under CDL just means the trucks GVWR is less than 26,000 lbs.

The problem is that the CDL requirements go by the gross vehicle weight rating as set by the vehicle manufacturer and has nothing to do with what the vehicle weighs at any moment. If the gvwr rating of your trailer is 14,000 lbs, then it requires a CDL to pull it with any truck with a GVWR over 12,000 lbs, since the GVWR of the combination (GCWR) will be over 26,000. 12,000 is an f350

 

[Pbz]

I have not seen any non cdl dump trucks on the market in my price range. I could get by w a farm truck reg, personal use is common around here. We live in the AG district, riddled w/ migrant workers, dirt roads and farms. Im gonna put an airlift kit on my ram which should make a huge difference. Plus i read insuring a farm truck is much more affordable too. I know i could get a cdl if i really needed it.

 

[mitch504]

Keep in mind, if you insure it as a farm truck, and get in a wreck using it for construction, you'll be outside your policy, and uninsured. I have farm tags on a couple of my trucks, but I insure them for commercial use, so I only have to worry about a ticket for misuse of farm tags if I do something else with them.

 

[Pbz]

Ah i knew you were a rule bender mitch! Lol. But you make a good point

 

[Willie B]

I have antique insurance. They allow 3000 miles per year, and exclude cargo unless I own it.

 

[Tennessee]

I have not seen any non cdl dump trucks on the market in my price range. I could get by w a farm truck reg, personal use is common around here. We live in the AG district, riddled w/ migrant workers, dirt roads and farms. Im gonna put an airlift kit on my ram which should make a huge difference. Plus i read insuring a farm truck is much more affordable too. I know i could get a cdl if i really needed it.

Here is my non CDL dump truck. At least without the trailer. Not sure of your price range though.