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Skid Steer + CTL Pictures!

kshansen

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Here are a couple pictures of what I deal with with Skidsteers where I work. This is a JCB 185 Robot.

First picture is under floor when it came in for a problem. Think this was the time foot throttle was not working. Wonder why?

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Next picture is same area after I cleaned it out to work on it and low and behold foot throttle worked just fine!

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Gets real fun when I have to disconnect one of those hoses:Banghead

And I always get the deer in the headlights look when I try to tell them they need to either not run in the slop up to the axles or if that can't be avoided wash it off when finished.
 
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did someone use the belly pan of that skid steer as a concrete mixing tub??? Or was it being used as super secret grease/oil/dust storage compartment????
hahaa! what a great fix!
 

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I have similar pictures at work I took of our 1845C I had to work on just a week ago. One of the hoses to the left drive motor failed. Removed floor boards and then spent two hours with pry-bars, air chisel and water hose to find the drive motor to get the hose off. As I had that much time invested I did replace all three hoses to that motor.
 

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did someone use the belly pan of that skid steer as a concrete mixing tub??? Or was it being used as super secret grease/oil/dust storage compartment????
hahaa! what a great fix!

Lucky it was not concrete but not all that easy to clean out either! Our skid-steers are used to clean up spillage in a stone quarry. 44 years ago when I started here as a ground man clean up was done with hand shovels. I often tell people if I had been given a Case 1845 to do the job I would have stayed on my own time to wash it off each night!

Still think they should make the new guys work one of those wooden handle shovels for a year before they get to run a skid-steer. Might appreciate them a little more.
 

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The common problem with a lot of skid steers is the floor is welded with small areas to pressure wash dirt out we do ours every changes the posi track is good it complete floor unbolts
 

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I have the full debris kit , triple flange rollers on all four corners, guard kit, air pre cleaner and metal tracks all on order for it.

How do you like the 289? I have been a Bobcat guy for over 20 years but I have had too many problems with the 2 T250's I have now. The 289 would fit what I need, size and power wise. Getting all the equipment the same brand also simplifies things a bit. The only problem going through my mind is trying to retrain myself and my crew to operate a skid with joysticks and not hand/foot.

Cat dealer had a 299 or 289 just in with the metal tracks. IIRC, my salesman said the metal tracks were a dealer installed factory item but Cat was planning on putting them on in the factor in the future.

What kind of work do you do Pafarmer?
 

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How do you like the 289? I have been a Bobcat guy for over 20 years but I have had too many problems with the 2 T250's I have now. The 289 would fit what I need, size and power wise. Getting all the equipment the same brand also simplifies things a bit. The only problem going through my mind is trying to retrain myself and my crew to operate a skid with joysticks and not hand/foot.

Cat dealer had a 299 or 289 just in with the metal tracks. IIRC, my salesman said the metal tracks were a dealer installed factory item but Cat was planning on putting them on in the factor in the future.

What kind of work do you do Pafarmer?

Hi CM,

I love all of the CAT equipment I own. I was a huge bobcat man myself for many years but downtime and less than good service drove me to slowly but surely switch every piece of equipment to CAT.
The 299XHP is by far the best mulching machine on the market today. They are absolute beasts and can handle any forestry head with ease. The 289C2 and 289D are fantastic CTL's as well. So smooth and great power. The seat and torsion suspension allows me to work for 12 hours and get out clean and nothing is sore at all. Hydro power on both are the best in my opinion. Very powerful hydro system. high quality hoses, easy service etc etc ..My CAT dealer has bent over backwards to earn my business and the service before, during and after the sale is better than anyone else I have dealt within my 35 years in the dirt.

We do allot of land clearing, demo work and now the big business for me is right of way clearing for the Natural Gas pipelines going in all over my region. We have work booked today that brings us out past this time next year and much more expected. Like I said previously
I have 17 pieces of equipment in the field today...All CAT by the way. These big Gas Companies know their business and when they come to inspect and see a bunch of CAT equipment being used they like that very much. Everyone here on these gas wells and pipelines is all CAT equipment... Very rarely do you see another brand.

I ordered two brand new 299XHP when
I bought the 289D and all of the equipment I ordered for the 289D with come factory installed on the 299XHP....
It's actually cheaper on labor to have in factory installed but I have a full time mechanic so he will install everything on my 289D. We also ordered a 316E excavator to replace our 315...

Try the CAT CM , you will not be disappointed. So much more machine than Bobcat in every aspect in my humble opinion.
 
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Gotta love that Marcellus shale! With 17 pc. in the field, I bet Cleveland Bros loves you!:drink up
Do you mind me asking what those machines cost? (299-289) I understand if you'd rather not.
 

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Gotta love that Marcellus shale! With 17 pc. in the field, I bet Cleveland Bros loves you!:drink up
Do you mind me asking what those machines cost? (299-289) I understand if you'd rather not.

Only the last few came from Cleveland Bros. The others are all used equipment.. Most of our machines are on a large drainage job at the moment.
 
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Here is a pic of the new rear idler I'm puting on my deere 329D hoping it will help stop stones being impregnated into where the rollers run causing track failer
 

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Hock, be sure and take some pics once you get the new track and idler setup on your Deere. I'm interested to see how it works out for you.
 

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Here is a pic of the new rear idler I'm puting on my deere 329D hoping it will help stop stones being impregnated into where the rollers run causing track failer

I run triple idlers front and rear on all of my CAT CTL's to prevent derailment. The terrain we general work in very rugged and tossing a track is easy to do in rough terrain.

The single idler on the rear only will save you from pushing rocks Into your track. The best setup I have found for general contracting type work is a double in the front and single in the rear. Your single idler will most certainly help with the issue you are having....
 

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Yes pafarmer single to the rear and twin at the front is what I had in mind now it's making time to do it I'll post some pics when all done.
 

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Traded 262C2 for 262D.

Everyone likes the D quite a bit. The EH controls are a lot better and everyone seems happy with them, actually enough said they turned the sensitivity down. I guess I kind of got used to the C series lack of response and it didn't bug me for a lot of tasks. The D is pretty jumpy and since I tend to drive around with the stick forward and just use the pedal to control speed, it takes some getting used to now that they have a different motor with electronic control. Nice not having to deal with cables for the pedal getting sticky.

The cab may not look very different on them, but as I mentioned in the write up I did awhile back there is not much that stayed the same. Lots of little features that are nice, but overall its silent as far as skid steers go. Quiet enough to have bluetooth radio that you can actually use. Does help to use the locks that press the windows tight together. The ass end is taller but the view out the window is better even though you can't see as much behind you. Backup camera helps though but takes some getting used to. I am a bit worried that the camera will get hit by something. It sits basically flush with the door in the 2" hole but well see. May stick a black branch deflector mount for semi running lights around it if it doesn't obstruct the view. The high back seat is a nice touch but I still think the heater switch sticks out way too far. Very easy to bump on accident and thats not a nice feeling in the middle of summer. Liking the new cooling system design with airflow through door and A/C condensor mounted there for easy cleaning. New HVAC is much more powerful. Level one feels like the C series maxxed out. The electric quick attach is slow and it worries me due to the history electrical mechanisms and manure have but maybe this one will be different. They are quite a bit lighter on the front end too. The demo machine with no bucket would wheelie without trying, but this machine with the Tweels on it helps. Still touchy but the extra couple hundred pounds from the Tweels helps. Overall though its went over pretty well with everyone who has ran it so far and thats not easy.


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Like the layout under the cab of the D series as well. Nice and clean and open. No HVAC to cover up when cleaning either.

Hydraulic tank sits in belly and off to side. Nice side fill, no more lifting cab to fill (I could cheat it with a gooseneck pail pump though), do need a padlock so nobody puts diesel in it though. Hydraulic valves and lines are more organized and do not sit down in the slop anymore. HVAC is mounted to cab now which frees up enough space upfront for all kinds of stuff I guess. Kind of a huge waste of space. Wish they would have kept the battery under there though instead of in the way of the oil filter.

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Hi durallymax
Nice looking skid.
How do find the wheels do they give you a good ride.
I have a reverse camera on my ctl im ashamed to say I have back into a few things mainly rollers with learners on them and to date not a problem camera still there in one peace.
 

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Sweet looking machine durallymax. I really like the D series machines ....I like the tires, what kind of hours do you get out of them ? Ride ? etc....everything I own has a set of tracks on it....but would like yo hear your thoughts on the tires.....looks like flats are not an issue....Best of luck with your new CAT iron....
 

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Hi durallymax
Nice looking skid.
How do find the wheels do they give you a good ride.
I have a reverse camera on my ctl im ashamed to say I have back into a few things mainly rollers with learners on them and to date not a problem camera still there in one peace.

You can go to Michelin Tweels website to find a dealer. I don't think they are in Australia yet, just a limited amount in the US right now but they are expanding rapidly. You can contact them if you are interested and they will get ahold of you when they are in your market area. Very good to deal with. The Tweels ride much nicer than any solid or sold flex/flex port style. A little bit rougher than some stiffer Bias tires and much harder than the Bibsteels, but the goal of the Tweel is mostly to give you an air free option with a good ride, good traction and less machine wear.

Our machines get run inside very tight barns so stuff tends to get torn up especially on the rear of the machines. The Camera is a small target to hit, but I could see it maybe happening. I'll leave it until they hit it once.

Sweet looking machine durallymax. I really like the D series machines ....I like the tires, what kind of hours do you get out of them ? Ride ? etc....everything I own has a set of tracks on it....but would like yo hear your thoughts on the tires.....looks like flats are not an issue....Best of luck with your new CAT iron....

The D's are nice.

The Tweels ride nice, get decent traction and flats are obviously non existent. They don't outperform our bibsteel AT's when it comes to ride, traction and value but they make up for that with the advantages of being airless. We don't need a set on every machine, the Bibsteels do great on the other two, but its nice to have one machine with them where you know you can go brush hogging ,or working in other areas where punctures are common, without issues. The Bibsteels are steel belted and have resisted punctures very well. I think I have maybe had to fix one total between the two machines and 2500hrs. They primarily are operated on gravel and concrete so punctures are not as common but we still fixed a few per month when running the Cat bias tires (Titan). The issue we still have with the Bibsteel is rim damage. Inevitable with pnuematic tires, our machines operate around concrete curbs all day, especially many in the 4-12" size that love to bend rims. Easy enough to deal with bent rims though. If you are in an application that needs a solid tire then the Tweel is a much better option, if you simply want a pneumatic tire that performs better and lasts longer then the Bibsteel is the best option. For us its two machines with Bibsteel AT's and the one with Tweels. Works great. Bibsteel AT 12" look like they will run 2,000-2,500hrs easily. The 10" will probably hit 2,000hrs as well. 12" are on a 242B3, 10" are on a 226B3. The Tweels in the photos of the 262D have almost 1800hrs on them. They only start with 30/32" of tread just like the Bibsteels. Currently they are just under half tread so I think 2,500hrs is a reasonable expectation out of them. The 262 is fairly heavy (8,000lbs) and we could get maybe 600-700hrs out of the Cat bias tires which I felt were actually pretty decent (we got 1,000hrs out of them on the 242B3's). Solid tires commonly go to 2,000hrs or so as well. The advantage with the Tweel is that you can retread it for a couple hundred dollars and keep going. You can choose whatever tread you want at your local retread shop. The pricing for the Tweel is high, but not that much higher than many comparable solid tires. For the advantages you gain in ride and traction it is worth it to me. The only thing I can say is that if you work in an area with sharp objects protruding outwards you may want to stay solid. If the sidewalls of your solids get torn up then the Tweel may not be the best option right now because the spokes are very thin and can be cut. If you just nick them, you simply radius the cut to prevent it from spreading and keep going. Even with a few broken spokes they still operate fine. But if you think you will really beat them up they may not be the best choice. DOn't want to steer anyone away from them because they are a great product and Michelin is great to deal with but I don't want someone to spend the money and be disappointed either. Who knows maybe in the future they will add some sort of sidewall protection that will make them a viable option for those who can't use them. I thought about something that would bolt onto extra long wheel studs after the Tweel was mounted, and then have a thick heavy rubber disc to protect the spokes but not interfere with performance but don't know how well it would work. The Tweel needs to be open on the sides to clean out the mud/rocks etc. The disc would still allow cleanout on the inside but I do not know if that idea would work or not. We don't have an issue really so I'm not too worried about it right now. The spokes themselves are recessed quite a bit and flare out at the edge so simply rubbing a curb or something wont catch them.


Here is the image from when they were new to compare.

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How do you like the 289? I have been a Bobcat guy for over 20 years but I have had too many problems with the 2 T250's I have now. The 289 would fit what I need, size and power wise. Getting all the equipment the same brand also simplifies things a bit. The only problem going through my mind is trying to retrain myself and my crew to operate a skid with joysticks and not hand/foot.

Cat dealer had a 299 or 289 just in with the metal tracks. IIRC, my salesman said the metal tracks were a dealer installed factory item but Cat was planning on putting them on in the factor in the future.

What kind of work do you do Pafarmer?


It took probably a full year before everybody around here learned how to make the joysticks do what they want and didn't complain. Took the longest for people to figure out you can run the sides independently with one stick nearly the same as with two, you just have to know where to place the joystick. Its an odd feeling and takes awhile to learn, but as long as you don't have any Hand/Foot machines around it helps. We swapped three NH for three Cats. still have one NH at another farm that doesn't get used much, so basically kind of forced everyone to change, didn't give them an option. A couple years later they all seem fairly happy with the switch and not having to use all of their limbs to operate the machine as well as not running machines at 100% throttle all day either because your foot is free to run the pedal. The EH controls in the C were a complaint from some because we had B machines with Pilots that were much more predicatable, the D series apparently changed that alot and most have turned down the sensitivity when operating them because of the response. For once you can actually pull the stick to stop the machine and be worried about smacking your face on the door. Not something to do all of the time, but its a good test of the control response and helps in those "oh sh!t" moments.

AFAIK the Metal tracks are still dealer installed and pricey, but I dk why they wouldn't consider offering them from the factory in the near future if the market wants them.
 

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Back on point.....Brand New 2014 289D hi Flow, fully loaded , I added to my fleet this week.....I am blessed with more work than I have equipment to handle. Been awhile since I had this problem. I have the full debris kit , triple flange rollers on all four corners, guard kit, air pre cleaner and metal tracks all on order for it. Complete Forestry package......Nice machine....Not as powerful as our 299XHP units but this one is basically going to be put into service on our smaller clearing jobs running a Fecon BH85 forestry head..
17 machines burning diesel every day now...work booked out into this time next year. All the Glory to the man upstairs, things are finally looking up for us....Love the looks of a CAT CTL !!

Nice machine, I'd like to see the pre-cleaner when you are done. I like the option on the D's for them and will probably add one to ours as we can't keep filters clean very long.
 
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