D7R Bad Operator?

[JimBruce42]

Burnout,

If you are buddies with the foreman/boss who got you the job, I would definitely tell him about it. Shows not only that you care about the equipment, but appreciate getting the job.

As for 3rd gear... I agree with surfer-joe, there may be situations where you need to use it, but any time you don't have to is a good time in my opinion.:thumbsup When I was in VA last winter we had two d8's on the job, one from PA with an operator who took care of his series one R and who never used third gear. The other from VA in a newer 8t who felt that if you push in 3rd gear you'll get more done faster (sure you push 1/3 the amount in twice the time, but who knows:beatsme). The machine doesn't have 5000 hours on it and it was already almost ready for another set of tracks, you could see the cresent shape wearing on the track chains:Banghead

 

[bobcatmechanic]

with all the cameras around take a video post it here adn show your buddy whats going on then give it to him and have a sit down with her and see what she has to say if she says shes not then show her the part where you see all the tension come out of the tracks and snap tight after that fire them and then you have the proof and they try to come back on you a video. if she sorry train her and get her right on it

 

[Vantage_TeS]

Alex 3rd gear itself isn't a big deal. 3rd gear on hardpan etc where the machine is rattling around and trying to shake itself to death is well. Bad.

The poor grading, well she could still be learning. Maybe no one ever showed her how to do it properly. Same thing with not decelerating when shifting and changing gears. If she's been told (and not just YOU HAVE TO DECELERATE STUPID, but actually explained how and why) and still doesn't then she should be punted for machine abuse.

Not checking your oil = bye bye don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Again playing devils advocate judging from the WOT and poor grading maybe she doesn't even know how to do it cause no one ever showed her. Lying about it is pretty bad though but who likes admitting they screwed up?

Either way I'd talk to your friend and bring up those observations. He's probably running himself ragged trying to say on top of things and hasn't noticed her operating habits.

 

[Burnout]

Well today the foreman never showed up, he was taking care of another job so guess who got left to lead our group......

I sat down and talked with her for a minute about what I was seeing. It all started with our compaction tester coming over and telling her that none of the compaction tests passed because even with an 815F and double drums on a farm tractor we can't get better than 95%. I mentioned to her that when you lay the dirt out you have to get it flat with no voids in the lift because when you have a void the packer can't pack a hole. And that in turn brought up the direction changes, going too fast, poor grading and some other things I noticed this morning. I told her it's not me just being arrogant, I simply told her that spending more time caring and doing the job right and less time reading the comics will make the job go faster. She basically told me to stick my bucket in my undercarriage. She also told me if I thought I was so hot... then maybe I should try it out for a bit and see what she's workin with.

So I jumped in the dozer. I turned on the auto shift and locked er in 2nd and went to town on her pad. She had spent about 90 minutes blading off the rock truck loads and had gaps everywhere. I had my trucks dump some loads at the end of the pad and I pushed em from one end to the other. I did it nice and slow, 2nd gear about 1800rpm and got the pad nice and flat in about 40 minutes. I didn't need to beat on the dozer, took my time and did a nice job. The packers jumped on it, made a couple quick passes over flat ground and it was re tested.... 99% compaction. Our grade master came over, looked at the pad and was amazed seeing as its the first flat pad she has seen in months. I drove the dozer over to where the operator was sitting, jumped off, she shot me the finger and called me a show off.

I decided to give her a day and if nothing changes then I will kindly mention it to the foreman that maybe he should pay some attention to the situation before we have a D7R thats junk.

I do agree in some respects about the younger generation.... a lot of the young operators don't take proper care of their equipment.... where I do disgree with it though is the fact I am the youngest operator on this crew by about 5 years. I am still a kid, but I am a kid that grew up with big equipment and was taught the consequences of beating on it too hard.

 

[Vantage_TeS]

K I changed my mind. With an attitude like that she's certainly not gonna change her ways so get your friend to show her the door.

It's one thing if the person is wanting/willing to learn how to run a piece properly but when they get hard headed it's game over. The day you stop learning is the day you stop getting better. Even if you are the best at something there is ALWAYS something you can improve on.

I had a different choice of words I would probably use but since this site is "family friendly" I'll go with the above statement

Edit: Anytime I'm pushing I'm in 1st. Easier to compensate for that one surprise bump in the middle of a flat area that starts the "wave effect" that you get locked in (hit the bump dig a hole, drive in the hole, dig a second hole). I make up the time by being able to bulk and finish at the same time. I can push more with the lower gearing and I put it to grade the first push. If I'm touching up a long area I'll pop it in second and then use about half throttle. I guess that's just my operating style and it works. If something else works for you more power to you (as long as the machine doesn't suffer and you get the job done in a reasonable amount of time).

 

[Burnout]

K I changed my mind. With an attitude like that she's certainly not gonna change her ways so get your friend to show her the door.

It's one thing if the person is wanting/willing to learn how to run a piece properly but when they get hard headed it's game over. The day you stop learning is the day you stop getting better. Even if you are the best at something there is ALWAYS something you can improve on.

I had a different choice of words I would probably use but since this site is "family friendly" I'll go with the above statement

Edit: Anytime I'm pushing I'm in 1st. Easier to compensate for that one surprise bump in the middle of a flat area that starts the "wave effect" that you get locked in (hit the bump dig a hole, drive in the hole, dig a second hole). I make up the time by being able to bulk and finish at the same time. I can push more with the lower gearing and I put it to grade the first push. If I'm touching up a long area I'll pop it in second and then use about half throttle. I guess that's just my operating style and it works. If something else works for you more power to you (as long as the machine doesn't suffer and you get the job done in a reasonable amount of time).

So you don't want me to send you her resume? C'mon she is a real good air blader.

On another note.... you better not be a better dozer operator than me, I don't think I could take it knowing your a better hoe and dozer operator than I am. All that leaves me is track loader..... hopefully :drinkup

 

[BCB]

Well today the foreman never showed up, he was taking care of another job so guess who got left to lead our group......

I sat down and talked with her for a minute about what I was seeing. It all started with our compaction tester coming over and telling her that none of the compaction tests passed because even with an 815F and double drums on a farm tractor we can't get better than 95%. I mentioned to her that when you lay the dirt out you have to get it flat with no voids in the lift because when you have a void the packer can't pack a hole. And that in turn brought up the direction changes, going too fast, poor grading and some other things I noticed this morning. I told her it's not me just being arrogant, I simply told her that spending more time caring and doing the job right and less time reading the comics will make the job go faster. She basically told me to stick my bucket in my undercarriage. She also told me if I thought I was so hot... then maybe I should try it out for a bit and see what she's workin with.

So I jumped in the dozer. I turned on the auto shift and locked er in 2nd and went to town on her pad. She had spent about 90 minutes blading off the rock truck loads and had gaps everywhere. I had my trucks dump some loads at the end of the pad and I pushed em from one end to the other. I did it nice and slow, 2nd gear about 1800rpm and got the pad nice and flat in about 40 minutes. I didn't need to beat on the dozer, took my time and did a nice job. The packers jumped on it, made a couple quick passes over flat ground and it was re tested.... 99% compaction. Our grade master came over, looked at the pad and was amazed seeing as its the first flat pad she has seen in months. I drove the dozer over to where the operator was sitting, jumped off, she shot me the finger and called me a show off.

I decided to give her a day and if nothing changes then I will kindly mention it to the foreman that maybe he should pay some attention to the situation before we have a D7R thats junk.

I do agree in some respects about the younger generation.... a lot of the young operators don't take proper care of their equipment.... where I do disgree with it though is the fact I am the youngest operator on this crew by about 5 years. I am still a kid, but I am a kid that grew up with big equipment and was taught the consequences of beating on it too hard.

Man that all you can do and with an attitude like that, I'd show her the door.

 

[Vantage_TeS]

So you don't want me to send you her resume? C'mon she is a real good air blader.

On another note.... you better not be a better dozer operator than me, I don't think I could take it knowing your a better hoe and dozer operator than I am. All that leaves me is track loader..... hopefully :drinkup

Should I mention the fact I'm pretty handy on a scraper and a grader too?

Don't hate me cause I'm awesome hate me cause I'm beautiful

 

[mouse]

Should I mention the fact I'm pretty handy on a scraper and a grader too?

Don't hate me cause I'm awesome hate me cause I'm beautiful

somebody'd better pass me a bucket :notworthy

what the heck do i know bout dozers? zilch but what i do know is when its time to say bye bye.

stop wasting your time, burnout, recommend her to be replaced asap as she's niether competent nor interested in being competent.

ingorance you can deal with and improve upon, stupidity and apathy are far more dangerous beasts.

 

[Squizzy246B]

Hey Burnout...do ya think she drives like she stole it because she is a little insecure and thinks she has a point to prove to the boys???...all male environment type thing? and nobody ever helped her out because she pretended like she knew it all. Just thinkin out a loud.

The reason why I say this is because years ago an old operator was walkin me around the daily checks he expected on a machine. He explained this routine because he had once had an operator that didn't check the oil on a machine because he was too embarrassed to admit that he didn't know where the dipstick for the tranny was.

 

[Construct'O]

Well Burnout as you can see changing jobs and company doesn't change what happens around us.It's hard to find good operater an it takes time to train young operators.

The lady operator is already off to a bad start.Too bad if she really cared tho!Man in charge of woman doesn't always work the best,as woman in charge of man doesn't at times.:beatsme

My ex wife(note ex wife) use to help me run equipment.She did good,and was good at what i had her doing.I would tell her when she was messing up.One day she said why are you always finding fault.

I told here she was doing find that if you did it this way or that,that it would be easier on her and the machine.That i wasn't picking,and that if she every needed to get a job that she know how to do it the correct way .Yes she could check and change oil.Probably why she is EX

I think it would probably have been better leaving it up to the forman,tho i know he is busy guy,but really that is his job ,unless he told her,that you was in charge.

Firing isn't always that easy when it comes to woman.She may have been hired for minority,and training wasn't a issue to start with.

Good luck and hopefully things smooth out.:usa

 

[OneWelder]

I think this could turn into a case of doing the right thing and getting burnt for it. Your friend is managment,you are an operator whose buddy is the boss if this woman sues for sexual harrassment You could end up suffering- So I would suggest taking a step back , continue to do your work as well as you can and let managment deal with her.

 

[stock]

Firing isn't always that easy when it comes to woman.She may have been hired for minority,and training wasn't a issue to start with.

Is she worth a transmission,an engine,or a life???

remember an incident where a section foreman told an engineer to go into the office and read the news paper because in there he knew what he was costing him a lot less than the mistakes he was making on the ground

 

[Construct'O]

Is she worth a transmission,an engine,or a life???

remember an incident where a section foreman told an engineer to go into the office and read the news paper because in there he knew what he was costing him a lot less than the mistakes he was making on the ground

Might be:beatsme read above post!!!!:usa

 

[Burnout]

Should I mention the fact I'm pretty handy on a scraper and a grader too?

Don't hate me cause I'm awesome hate me cause I'm beautiful

Well... if thats a reason to hate you.... it's as good as any. I should also point out that I can kick some serious butt in a tractor backhoe, and a grader.... just not used to these new fancy graders with articulated steering and all those gizmo's.

Actually.... there are quite a few females on our site. Our lead buggy operator is a woman, all 3 of my rockstars are women, and the grademaster is a woman. We're actually about 50/50 on site. Yes I was told I was in charge, and everyone knew it. Today he said something to her about her operating without me even saying anything to him. The owner of the company also came out to have a chat with us about people being hard on equipment and proper maintenance. I was pulled aside later and the boss' mentioned to me that because I have been taking such good care of my hoe that I am first in line for the 850D LC they might buy next year, and if they don't go that big I will be sitting in a brand new 650D.

 

[catd8t]

well lets hope so then we will all get to see that awsome excuvator in action. ive seen the hitachi 850in action but that green paint thiers just something about it

 

[Burnout]

well lets hope so then we will all get to see that awsome excuvator in action. ive seen the hitachi 850in action but that green paint thiers just something about it

Yep.... it makes it better.... I'm a big believer in Deere hoes. Out here the cat store has had their domination for too long. All you need to do is talk VantageTes into heading his 385 up my way next year, we'll meet in Red Deer and arm wrestle.... 385CL vs. 850D LC

And if I lose.... we'll just pretend it never happened.

 

[Deas Plant]

Working out.

Hi, Burnout.
Good stuff. It starts to look as if her behavior has not gone un-noticed. Mind you, it'd take some kind of blindness to miss a blown engine as a result of low oil level - from your first post.

Stock asked earlier if she was worth an engine, a transmission or a life. I'd look at that question thisaway. An engine or transmission can be repaired or replaced - a life, once gone, is usually gone for keeps. Operators(?) who won't be told are a serious health hazard to people as well as to the machines that they operate. Gender bias, affirmative action and anything else notwithstanding, any company is better off without such people on its payroll, especially when heavy plant is involved.

For her sake as well as for the benefit of everybody else in your workplace, I hope the penny does drop with her and she starts to listen to sweet reason.

 

[Dozer575]

Is she good looking?

 

[OneWelder]

When working on a blown engine we always looked to see if oil was significantly low, and if somebody had topped off with new oil after the fact