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lay offs and slow work

SKOAL

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cant work in the rain here

if your just trashing a mountain or somthing it probally dosnt matter but if you have jobs with concrete, slopes with public roads or ditches for pipe on the side of em working in consistent rain is a waste of money, not only will you not make any but youll end up oweing it.
 

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if your just trashing a mountain or somthing it probally dosnt matter but if you have jobs with concrete, slopes with public roads or ditches for pipe on the side of em working in consistent rain is a waste of money, not only will you not make any but youll end up oweing it.

Ummm Lots of slopes, curb and gutter, manholes, pipe work, state highway job with 500,000 tons of fill. Sidewalks, concrete bridges,keystone walls, 30' slopes, ditches, median and lots more. I live in a rainforrest.


This is only one of many jobs I have worked on. Just need to learn how to deal with the rain and make things work. We dont have a "Dry season". If it's not raining, its snowing. I am sure Dwan can verify what I am talking about. Nobody said it was easy, or fun. Its life.
 

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we have had a bad summer in the uk weather wise, we now also have the credit crunch so all the house building has come to a standstill and to top it all fuel is around $2.5 a litre:mad:
 

SKOAL

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I dont know sharky must be just we dont know how,you need to come down start your own site work crew 24 7 all winter long everyone else stops in winter and heavy rain you would be a billionare. srry let me exsplain it better it cost more to work in the rain everone bids for dry weather the state county fed exspect it that way and usually want work done in the summer dryer season plain and simple, not that we cant work in the rain as i stated before you cant afford to.Yes it may hinder our work and cause more unemployment but when has the government or big bus. worried about that?
 
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This topic is a good thread especially with the current economic situation. Let's try to keep it on track.:cool2
 

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I agree. Not trying to stir the pot, and things slow in the winter here also depending on what your doing. Obviously there are things that cant be done in freezing temps, most concrete pours need to be tarped and sometimes heated until they cure even in summer months.

The major problem for us is paving, because is does have to be dry, however sometimes that never happens. Unlike many places "Down South" we ALWAYS bring our rain gear to work, and if you have ever heard Alaska weather sucks? you heard correct.

As far as being a billionaire? I am working on it:cool:
 
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I sat home for 2 weeks before being called up for a job that I'm presently working on. I was told Friday to expect 8 more weeks, and then there is another planned outed in November. So I guess that will be 10 weeks of work, at least I hope.

I'm a 1st year apprentice, and this is all still new to me, Layoffs? But it is what it is.
 

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Slow work

Its a good thing your so diverse things have really slowed for a lot of people in NE.

From the people I talk to and do business with, work has not slowed down in Nebraska and surrounding area, if you are willing and capable of doing several things. The only people I know of in the construction field that are slow, do basically one thing, not diversed, or do poor quality of work.
Ag economy is good with the construction of soybean and corn processing plant. Cargill, ADM, Bunge are building new, expanding and rebuild old plants. Cargill Cedar Rapids Iowa is looking for people to rebuild that plant, after it was flooded, that is a several year project. Cargill Blair Nebraska is building, ADM Columbus Nebraska is in a five year building stage. Hawkins, Pink are looking for operators and labors. Tradesman magazine is full of companies wanting workers. How can there be a shortage of work, with so many companies looking for workers???
Lots of road, commercial and environmental construction going on.
We got several projects last week and just teamed up with another company to do a larger project. We have looked at expanding, but that opens another can of worms that we do not want to deal with at this time.
Winter will slow down some work depending on how bad the winter is and the type of work. But that is every year.
 

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We have moved on and now were lost....
Well thing here have well lets say nosedived to say the least with a good sized muck-shifter gone belly up, government contracts being defferred ,employment in the sector has dropped by 16% in less than a year and it has rained all summer ,the level is at something like 350% above normal so everyone is on short time on the big road jobs,with very little small jobs starting this close to the winter dark days ahead.
 

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Back to work

Its been a month since i started this thread and my prayers have been answered. I started a prevailing wage job in VEGAS last week for a company with plenty of work mostly prevailing wage. :usa I am very lucky to have this job at a time when the economy sucks for a lot of people. Everybody experiencing hard times during the down turn keep your chin up .
 

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We do see quite a few Americans moving to western Canada for work. And we have a lot of workers come in from central and eastern Canada. The east is experiencing hard times, thanks to the slow down in manufacturing. For years now, a steady flow of workers has moved west from the east to fill the jobs in Saskatchewan, Alberta, and British Columbia. Even with relatively high wages, worker shortages continue.

Oil and mining related work is providing a lot of jobs in these three provinces. Many of the available jobs are not near major urban areas and may involve working away from home. A friend recently quit his white collar job after more than twenty years and hired on as an off road truck driver at an open pit coal mine, driving a 300 ton machine. Totally inexperienced, his starting wage at the mine was higher than he ever made at his former job.

If anyone is interested, obtain a copy of the weekend edition of the Saskatoon, Calgary, or Edmonton newspapers and have a look at the help wanted sections. You might be surprised at how many employers are looking for help, especially for experienced, competent workers.
 

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Still Slow

Hello RKO. I am still working to get my arm back in usable condition, but as far as I can see, Omaha at least is till way off pace compared to normal. I dropped in at Negus and Son's yard a week ago, big dirt work is still way off the usual pace, few new jobs being let for bid.
Part of the problem is, most of the outfits you mentioned are non-union companies, and I'm not ready to jump ship and work non-union around here. Our biggest local competitor,McArdle Grading from Elkhorn, went rat last year, their new scraper hires get $15 per hour with questionable benefits.
New stuff is nice, but not worth a $7 per hour drop in wages to run.
I'll worry more about it when the doc says I can work again.
What part of the state do you work in usually?
alan627b
 

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Hello RKO. I am still working to get my arm back in usable condition, but as far as I can see, Omaha at least is till way off pace compared to normal. I dropped in at Negus and Son's yard a week ago, big dirt work is still way off the usual pace, few new jobs being let for bid.
Part of the problem is, most of the outfits you mentioned are non-union companies, and I'm not ready to jump ship and work non-union around here. Our biggest local competitor,McArdle Grading from Elkhorn, went rat last year, their new scraper hires get $15 per hour with questionable benefits.
New stuff is nice, but not worth a $7 per hour drop in wages to run.
I'll worry more about it when the doc says I can work again.
What part of the state do you work in usually?
alan627b

That's not true I help McArdle on weekens and all the guys i talk to are makeing 18-19 per hr. On the other hand the benefits are questionable.
Thay pay me relly good to run their hoe's.
 

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Hello RKO. I am still working to get my arm back in usable condition, but as far as I can see, Omaha at least is till way off pace compared to normal. I dropped in at Negus and Son's yard a week ago, big dirt work is still way off the usual pace, few new jobs being let for bid.
Part of the problem is, most of the outfits you mentioned are non-union companies, and I'm not ready to jump ship and work non-union around here. Our biggest local competitor,McArdle Grading from Elkhorn, went rat last year, their new scraper hires get $15 per hour with questionable benefits.
New stuff is nice, but not worth a $7 per hour drop in wages to run.
I'll worry more about it when the doc says I can work again.
What part of the state do you work in usually?
alan627b

Alan
Hope your arm heals OK.
I don't know who told you That McArdle starting pay for operators is 15 dollars but that is not right. Most companies in Omaha start an operator out around 20 dollars and up an hour depending on experience. I don't know what McArdles benefits are like but Pink, Hawkins and most other companies benefits are pretty good in Omaha. I don't want this to be a union/nonunion topic but most of Omaha/Lincoln are going nonunion, so you might end up think working nonunion any way. Hawkins benefits improved after they went nonunion. They pay 100% of your insurance and put 10% of your gross check in a 401 plan (it does not cost you a cent) they have an incentive plan. Pink pay about the same and you insurance cost a little each month. They usually don't lay off operators in the winter. I have subcontracted or operated equipment for several companies and the companies that do several types of work are still busy. I don't like to operate scrapers. I like to operate, excavators, dozers, front end loaders and cranes. I love pipe work (the harder the better) and structural work. Negus does mostly one thing move dirt and anyone can buy/rent a scraper and move dirt, expecaly if they don't have other work. If things are so slow for Negus why did it take them so long to do a small dirt job between Herman and Scribner, that job should have been a week job but the machines sat for days not doing anything?? I work mostly in a 400 mile area of eastern Nebraska, and things are not slow there. The work is there you just have to adjust to what needs to be done. Get a copy of tradesman and it is full of Companies wanting operators, welders, and other tradesman.
 
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I'm Not the Shadow...

I was told new hires were starting at $15/hour by both other operators and by our union reps, so there may be a vested interest/ biased opinion thing going on. The day may come when I work non-union here, I'm just not ready to do that yet.
I did it before one winter when I went out to Arizona on vacation, and got a job running a brand new 621G auger scraper. I am not saying the union is always the best thing going, as I have to look out for #1, and that is me!
The way it's going right now, it will probably be December before I will be released/able to go to work, which is usually lay-off time in this state for dirt guys anyway. Who knows what this winter will bring, I sure don't!
Alan627b
 
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Negus' problem as I see it is they are slow to adapt to market conditions and changes in the industry. People say they have been going out of business for 40 years...They are mostly set up for bulk dirt moving and when that work slows down it takes them a while to adapt. They have a laser grade set-up for a few machines, but are way behind the ball when it comes to GPS and new technology.
Using the old scrapers they do could make sense, as long as you have plenty of mechanics (they do) and a decent shop capable of full overhauls (they really don't) and the parts remain available (but for how much longer, the newest 627B's were 1986 models, and most of ours are older than that.)
It's getting old working for a company that always seems on the verge of financial disaster, I'll admit. And the old junk sucks to run when it's bitter cold or searing heat, and I'm thinking of what to do.
The only real compensation working there is they are fairly laid back, and I know the people I work for and with. I did the M&S thing a while back, and while the new scraper was nice, the being treated like a inhuman robot sucked. The only time anybody talked to you was to yell at you, and I don't appreciate being treated like a mushroom.
(Being kept in the dark and fed BS!)
Often times,our boss will tell you what he wants done and will let you figure out the best way to accomplish it, without breathing down your neck constantly. Of course, other foreman don't always give you enough info, and that sucks, so it's a toss up.
My problem is, there aren't enough other dirt companies in Omaha, and I'm not ready to rip up stakes and move away from here yet. I did way too much of that stuff as a kid. I may have to eventually, but becoming a touring professional at age 45 doesn't thrill me too much.
We'll see what happens, meanwhile, the earth keeps turning!
alan627b
 

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Hawkins

One thing I noticed about Hawkins...we've worked with them before on some jobs, we usually do their big dirt work. I have seen employees of theirs running a machine in the morning, and running a shovel in the afternoon. I have no problem with lending a hand, but I didn't sign on to be a laborer either. Honestly, I'm not in the shape to do that these days for long periods of time, after banging around on 627's for 15 years!:beatsme
Damned if you do.....etc.
alan627b
 

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I don't know about the Herman job, but I know this....for a while this summer, they were down to buying their diesel fuel with cash supposedly because their credit was over extended....which was unsettling. I am not sure where things stand right now, as of July 28th, I haven't been working. As bad as this may sound, it's possible everything may have been broken down! Nothing new there, believe it or not.
Now you see why I am pondering the future!
You wouldn't happen to be working their job on Highway 31 and Harrison Street, that project is about 8 miles away from home. Just curious.
alan
 
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One thing I noticed about Hawkins...we've worked with them before on some jobs, we usually do their big dirt work. I have seen employees of theirs running a machine in the morning, and running a shovel in the afternoon. I have no problem with lending a hand, but I didn't sign on to be a laborer either. Honestly, I'm not in the shape to do that these days for long periods of time, after banging around on 627's for 15 years!:beatsme
Damned if you do.....etc.
alan627b

I enjoy being both an operator and an labor. Setting in an machine all day gets old fast. Besides I want to know for fact were the lines are so I don't cut them. I know Negus does most of their big dirt jobs. They say it is cheaper to hire Negus than do it them selves.
 
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