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gdmason76
08-25-2008, 02:40 PM
There has been a lot of talk about them, and a lot of guesses on specs and such. Go ahead and take a look at the official site for Caterpillar's NEW Compact Track Loader.

http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=236362&x=7


Cheers

Coastal
08-26-2008, 10:50 AM
Its about time they ditched that goofy track system.

:D

Digdeep
08-26-2008, 02:16 PM
Its about time they ditched that goofy track system.

:D

I was told that CAT would continue building their "goofy" MTL until at least 2012. I have also been told that if you add up both CAT and ASV machines at least 50% of all track machines sold habe that "goofy" track system.

floridaboy
08-26-2008, 08:39 PM
i used to own a cat 277 track and i had so many headaches with the undercarriage that is the reason i sold it

Coastal
08-26-2008, 09:14 PM
I was told that CAT would continue building their "goofy" MTL until at least 2012. I have also been told that if you add up both CAT and ASV machines at least 50% of all track machines sold habe that "goofy" track system.


At least we agree then its goofy.

Iron Horse
08-26-2008, 09:43 PM
It looks like that same old system that TAK and Deere etc use . When is someone going to build a full steel track undercarriage ? Same O Same O dont they have ANY vision ?

Tigerotor77W
08-26-2008, 10:29 PM
When is someone going to build a full steel track undercarriage ?

That'd be called a D3K or a 450J or a D31. ***

Iron Horse
08-26-2008, 11:58 PM
Don't make me come over there and rough you guys at CAT and ASV Terex up :D. Your current system is the worlds best for a lot of conditions but there is another market for something like this concept . (You will need to work on the toe in a bit tho) Walking track frames , same as a dozer would go anywhere over any terrain (mulched tree stakes) and with the added ability of being able to fit road liner rubber pads . I'll put my order in now :).

Squizzy246B
08-27-2008, 05:00 AM
That'd be called a D3K or a 450J or a D31. ***

Its hard to believe that the CTL/MTL is so popular (and a growing market share) and the D3 size is an almost dead market..............but since conception the CTL/MTL has done little besides become more like a D3.....maybe the Cat CTL 9-Series really is a compact "Track Loader":confused::rolleyes:...as opposed to a rubber tracked skid steer,,,:confused: I'm confused:bash

Squizzy246B
08-27-2008, 05:02 AM
It looks like that same old system that TAK and Deere etc use . ?

Its still an independent torsion bar system....according to the blurb....your Tak system is solid...and I'd need a verterbrae transplant to live with one.

jmf
08-27-2008, 08:50 AM
Its still an independent torsion bar system....according to the blurb....your Tak system is solid...and I'd need a verterbrae transplant to live with one.

It's like CAT gave up on anything less than bone jarring comfort. Another good machine for owners who do not operate.

jmf

Orchard Ex
08-27-2008, 04:40 PM
Looks like they borrowed my truck for the video. I knew that it had more fuel in it when I parked it! :mad:

Dirtman2007
08-27-2008, 05:18 PM
Its still an independent torsion bar system....according to the blurb....your Tak system is solid...and I'd need a verterbrae transplant to live with one.

You ain't lying. Good machine but hell on the operator. I hate running the darnt hing now, but I have to every now and then. But Then again I've never been on a skid steer that was easy on the operator.

IowaCat08
09-07-2008, 09:32 PM
i was lucky enough to demo a new 289C for about 8 hours one day a couple weeks ago overall i would say cat finally got it together i didnt notice to many differences between the 289 and the 297C obviously you lose a little bit of ride comfort but it is pretty forgiving on hard ground my only complaint in the short time i was in it was that it was very front heavy when carrying a load it didnt have any counter wieghts on it but its about half scary loading a dumptruck it wanted to fall forward every bucket i lifted up over the box if anyone has any questions maybe i can answer them i feel pretty lucky to have already had some seat time in this new machine

CM1995
09-07-2008, 11:03 PM
Its hard to believe that the CTL/MTL is so popular (and a growing market share) and the D3 size is an almost dead market..............but since conception the CTL/MTL has done little besides become more like a D3.....maybe the Cat CTL 9-Series really is a compact "Track Loader"

My T250, in my working conditions, will outwork a D3 - even though it is a Bobcat.:cool: A CTL will cost less to purchase, use less fuel and is easier to transport. To me they are more versatile than the smallest dozers although they are not the "end all be all" either. I can see why they have ate into the small dozer market.

9420pullpan
09-08-2008, 05:07 PM
here ya go I got to run the 299C the other week. It was very nice ride. A hell of alot better than a T190

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CM1995
09-08-2008, 08:09 PM
A hell of alot better than a T190


Well.... that's not much of a compliment for the Cat, coming from a former T190 owner.:Banghead:D

9420pullpan
09-08-2008, 08:24 PM
How's going..... So you didn't like the T190 either....

CM1995
09-08-2008, 08:37 PM
How's going..... So you didn't like the T190 either....

Not too bad, with the current market and all. I see you and Hoeman are up to more "after hours" shenanigans with the Coal Tour.:D

As far as the T190 goes, I purchased one in '03 and was amazed with the whole "CTL" concept since all I had owned before were wheeled machines. However, the ealier T190 machines were, well not very good. The most aggravating thing about the machine was being underpowered. The hydraulics were slow and became rather "obnoxious" after a couple 100 hours.

jmf
09-08-2008, 09:33 PM
I hope that thing has a rear camera.

jmf

sandnsnow
09-10-2008, 01:14 AM
Looks like the Cat is hard to see out of. Ill stick with my TL150. Good looking machine. I agree with CM1995, These machines are so fast at moving material it is had to go back to a small dozer.

KSSS
09-10-2008, 01:19 AM
How's going..... So you didn't like the T190 either....


Probably the most underpowered, under engineered CTL being produced by any OEM (257B would be next up from the bottom). I have never owned one and of course never would, but have had to rent them on occasion prior to CASE releasing a CTL. All the machines were new or near new. I have never understood how anyone could demo one and still buy it. Underpowered, poor breakout, loud, the feedback in the AHC versions is unbearable, the hyd. go over relief at the mere thought of engaging a pile of material. The larger BC tracked machines I have been more pleased with (not totally but more so), but this model should just be scraped.

CM1995
09-10-2008, 09:29 AM
I have never understood how anyone could demo one and still buy it.

Well I was one of those...... It was the winter of '02-03 and I had a town home project going on with tight access and steep grades to negotiate. I had an 863 with no cab at the time. The T190 was heat/AC, non-AHC and what it could do at the time was keep my project rolling along. At that time we were selling 2-3 a month and the units had to be finished. The T190 did what I needed it to do and it was more of an aggravating experience than a costly one.

It was my first experience with a dedicated track machine, the years prior we were fighting with the OTT metal tracks.:Banghead I probably let brand loyalty play too much into the equation.:beatsme The local Bobcat dealership has been around for ages and I have known the guys there for years. Our local Case and Tak dealerships have changed hands so many times over the last 10 years that first you need to see who is selling them at the moment to set up a demo.

Live and learn.:o

F-1.08-F.G.
09-10-2008, 04:48 PM
We have a 287 at work and I enjoy running it OCCASIONALLY. I've never seen a 'comfortable' skid steer, so I don't see a reason to whine about that because it's really all in HOW you operate it, not WHAT your your operating. Powerful enough for it's size, but in order to move any bank yardage you have get a little running start. Speed and responsiveness is mixed nicely. Auxillary hydraulic (we have a 4 in 1 bucket on ours) is ergonomically placed especially if you use it often. The only big thing I see wrong with it from an operator standpoint... I will agree with anyone who says visibility is VERY poor. If the main arms are anything but lowered all the way, you can't see anything out the sides and your rear view 'no-zone' continues for about 20' behind the machine:eek::my2c

9420pullpan
09-10-2008, 09:12 PM
Not too bad, with the current market and all. I see you and Hoeman are up to more "after hours" shenanigans with the Coal Tour.:D

were always up to no good... But it sure is fun.

EquipmentEditor
10-15-2008, 02:36 PM
We had an opportunity to visit North Carolina and operate the new CTL. My inexperienced body thought the CTL and MTL felt about the same, but I loved the fact that the CTL sounds more like a crawler loader than a compact track loader...steel on steel.
We took some close-ups and a short video:
www.constructionequipment.com/newProductsDetail/CA6603987.html

Tigerotor77W
10-15-2008, 07:49 PM
Good to see you again, L -- didn't see the video you took? Could be my own issue.

mdterp
10-15-2008, 09:42 PM
I was told that CAT would continue building their "goofy" MTL until at least 2012. I have also been told that if you add up both CAT and ASV machines at least 50% of all track machines sold habe that "goofy" track system.

You are way off with your 50% stat, I beleive it is closer to 25% combined and getting lower every year with that plastic/rubber set up

Digdeep
10-16-2008, 12:27 AM
You are way off with your 50% stat, I beleive it is closer to 25% combined and getting lower every year with that plastic/rubber set up

The information I have was pretty solid and is based off of total machines manufactured since the introduction of the CAT MTL starting with the 277.

If you look hard enough there are two forums/websites that feature equipment discussions that you haven't visited yet in order to bash CAT. You must have a heck of an axe to grind. I'm not trying to hack on you but every post but one that I've read of yours hasn't been constructive but merely significantly negative.

I have been told that CTL industry data will be reported next year just like skids. So there won't be anymore guessing games about marketshares.

EquipmentEditor
10-16-2008, 09:07 AM
Good to see you again, L -- didn't see the video you took? Could be my own issue.

Tigerotor, scroll down a bit. It's in the middle of the story.
-Rod

Tigerotor77W
10-16-2008, 04:25 PM
Tigerotor, scroll down a bit. It's in the middle of the story.
-Rod

Oh! I mistook you for CEWriter. Sorry about that. Hope all the magazine is going well.

And the video worked this time; for whatever reason, last night the player didn't load.

mdterp
10-16-2008, 05:42 PM
The information I have was pretty solid and is based off of total machines manufactured since the introduction of the CAT MTL starting with the 277.

If you look hard enough there are two forums/websites that feature equipment discussions that you haven't visited yet in order to bash CAT. You must have a heck of an axe to grind. I'm not trying to hack on you but every post but one that I've read of yours hasn't been constructive but merely significantly negative.

I have been told that CTL industry data will be reported next year just like skids. So there won't be anymore guessing games about marketshares.

WOW!!!! I feel like I am being stalked!

I am not bashing Caterpiller just bring up points that don't get spoken about. Some people get blinded by the brand.

I am being constructive but sometimes it will be negitive. The truth must be spoken!!! All brands have problems and this is a forum to speak about the good and the bad. To try to teach and learn something while we are here.

Digdeep
10-17-2008, 12:25 AM
WOW!!!! I feel like I am being stalked!

I am not bashing Caterpiller just bring up points that don't get spoken about. Some people get blinded by the brand.

I am being constructive but sometimes it will be negitive. The truth must be spoken!!! All brands have problems and this is a forum to speak about the good and the bad. To try to teach and learn something while we are here.

I guarantee that you're safe. Fair enough statement that all machines have their positives and their negatives.

mouse
11-21-2008, 06:45 AM
had a good look at a 277b in action today, i was not overly impressed with the basic traction of the thing on pretty easy grass slopes.

the track system looks plain overcomplicated. spoke to the operator, new tracks at about 800 hours and apparently the dealer replaced his undercarriage under warranty (which he claims would've cost 30k retail)


guess i'll find out in the next few weeks when my new t190 gets added to the stocklist.

brynbaily
11-24-2008, 07:22 PM
I'm wondering how these new C series machines are going to do; being this is the first production year. Has anyone herd of any issues yet? I think I remember seeing a post somewhere on here of a guy that had drive motor problems.

PipeGuy
11-24-2008, 08:43 PM
I rented one for a week. I personally was not impressed. The bucket was slow especially when dumping. The visibility is horrible to the rear of the machine. The drive train seemed to be strong although I don't like how the hyd. lines are routed to the drive train. I seems to me that the hoses would get a lot of wear in their current location. I didn't like the visibility to the outside edges of the bucket either. The cab was narrow. It definately was not made for a fat guy.

On the positive side the machine is very smooth. The suspension is very good for a CTL. The heat and air in the cab worked very good and the cab was comfortable besides being small and I'm only 5'8" and about 220lbs.

After having one for a week of moving heavy clay, spreading and power raking topsoil I don't think that I would purchase one.

chewy007
03-15-2009, 07:18 PM
Does anyone think the Cat 299c has a chance against a Tak tl250?? All the Cat salesman can say is how comfortable his machine is....

brynbaily
03-15-2009, 10:17 PM
I've herd some guys saying the smaller Tak's can out work those things. I'd really like to hear more feedback from someone who has been in them both. I demoed a new C series and noticed the hyd. were a bit on the slow side and my dad did point out the lines that were exposed as well. I thought the cab was fine but I'm only a buck sixty-eight so space was no issue.
I really like those Tak loaders but the closest dealer is over an hour and a half away compared to the five min drive to our Cat dealer. :beatsme

chewy007
03-15-2009, 10:58 PM
I will let you know after Thursday, Cat is supposed to drop off a 299c have had a Tak tl250 for several days and was amazed at the power and the productivity of the machine, I am 6' 1" 220lbs and I felt small in the cab.. Have had a few hours on a Cat 289c that could not even come close to this machine but did have a better ride, although am not sure if I like the suspension in the undercarriage for lifting and grading..

Bobcat s330
03-15-2009, 11:08 PM
I will let you know after Thursday, Cat is supposed to drop off a 299c have had a Tak tl250 for several days and was amazed at the power and the productivity of the machine, I am 6' 1" 220lbs and I felt small in the cab.. Have had a few hours on a Cat 289c that could not even come close to this machine but did have a better ride, although am not sure if I like the suspension in the undercarriage for lifting and grading..

Taks make a strong machine and the cabs are big on them.. I found it to be loud inside the cab thou when i demoed one

brynbaily
03-16-2009, 01:11 AM
Whats the difference between the TL120, TL130, TL140, TL150 and the newer TL220, TL230, TL240, TL250? I checked out the site and it doesn't have any info on the differences between the models.

chewy007
03-16-2009, 09:03 AM
My Tak dealer told me they changed the numbers on the machines because all machines received updates (biggest to meet tier 3) the TL250 took the place of the TL150, which now has a Kubota engine instead of the Yanmar which had more torque, but argues that the new models have new updated hydraulics that are more powerful so you wouldn't notice the loss in torque.

Tigerotor77W
03-16-2009, 01:40 PM
I will let you know after Thursday, Cat is supposed to drop off a 299c have had a Tak tl250 for several days and was amazed at the power and the productivity of the machine

When you get the machine, be sure to ask if it has AMICS and how to get the most productive mode within AMICS. I think default on the AMICS is slow hydraulic speed and slow hydraulic response, so you may feel that it's really sluggish. Cranking up the sensitivity on that system may help.

chewy007
03-17-2009, 09:28 PM
Tigerotor, first off let me tell you that I love technology have an iphone with all apple computer for my business and what not, but what ever happened to skill? I mean we are in the car wash business and have always purchased lower tech machines that have a proven track record until last year we bought something brand new for our touchless automatic bays the seemed great on the show floor, they were very expensive also, long story short the have been a nightmare.... and still are... when Cat tells me about all the **** they have on there machine I think twice and the Tak looks pretty dam bullet proof.. just my thoughts

Tigerotor77W
03-18-2009, 06:01 PM
Tigerotor, first off let me tell you that I love technology have an iphone with all apple computer for my business and what not, but what ever happened to skill?

Not something I know how to answer, unfortunately... I certainly know that I don't have any operating skills. I can make a SSL move, but to make it an extension of my arm like you guys and gals can do... um, no. For that reason, I'd take a pilot-controlled or EH machine any day. With pilots, I don't need to think about my hands and feet independently -- one joystick is movement, the other is loader -- and with EH, I can make the machine unresponsive if I'm a novice.

Of course, I'm not the typical SSL buyer; I'm just saying that for someone just getting into operating, Cat really takes the mind off the machine.

charp environme
04-08-2009, 05:44 PM
i hear you guys.the cat machine 297c is fine for all applications except forestry.i made the mistake of buying one for mulching.fire is a constant worry even when its not running having had a fire after work had stopped.warranty is no good.fuel tank is mounted under and around engine and is plastic costs 3500.00 and 5 weeks in shop. this was only the begining of my problems.mulcher head is treated same as machine you bought it you own it.currently pursing legal action.the machine is 5 months old and has been down10 weeks.my problem is mostly dealer issue.forestry package will not protect machine.currently in shop awaiting the outcome of legal action

BuffaloEarthwks
06-02-2009, 07:18 AM
Hi all, new to forum, just got myself a new cat 279C & 304ccr. Might be a stupid question - how do you know whether you have amics in the skid steer. I was supposed to get it but not sure what to look for. Guess I could ask the dealer but being impatient if I can get an answer tonight even better.

Thanbks, Richard.

CM1995
06-02-2009, 08:38 AM
Welcome to the Forums BuffaloEarthwks!:drinkup


how do you know whether you have amics in the skid steer

I am not familiar with the new Cat machines but here is a link to Cat's site, download the PDF of the brochure if you do not have one. It has a pic of the inside of the cab. http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=308413&x=7

Hope this helps.

BuffaloEarthwks
06-02-2009, 09:17 AM
Yep, mine looks exactly as in pdf.

I guess that is the amics system on the top right side.

Has an up/down arrow button that I am guessing sets speed but I haven't tried. I'll try tomorrow.

Thanks.

Digdeep
06-02-2009, 09:19 AM
Hi all, new to forum, just got myself a new cat 279C & 304ccr. Might be a stupid question - how do you know whether you have amics in the skid steer. I was supposed to get it but not sure what to look for. Guess I could ask the dealer but being impatient if I can get an answer tonight even better.

Thanbks, Richard.

Didn't your dealer salesman go through the machine with you to show you all of the features when he delivered it? I bet he took the time to take your money. Good luck with your new machines.

BuffaloEarthwks
06-02-2009, 06:28 PM
Didn't your dealer salesman go through the machine with you to show you all of the features when he delivered it? I bet he took the time to take your money. Good luck with your new machines.

He spent over 5 hours onsite running me through both machines on delivery. In the end I just wanted to get into them and give them a run so I told him all was good and thank you very much. He would of stayed all day and the next if I wanted him too.

He showed me so many things maybe I got brain overload and missed the amics part :beatsme

Anyway, there's a manual in the cab for some reason or another, might give that a read today :eek:

brynbaily
06-02-2009, 06:57 PM
Anyway, there's a manual in the cab for some reason or another, might give that a read today :eek:
Yeah, mine came with one of those things too......have to take a gander at that myself....:laugh

choober
06-07-2009, 09:28 AM
must post to 3 ads to become a full member. Thank-you

later814
06-08-2009, 10:23 AM
I have spent time in both (279C & TL140)... simply my observations:

Cat is way more comfortable... I had major knee surgery awhile back and I could barely walk after a couple hours in the Takeuchi

Both are about equal in power... Takeuchi is really a beast pushing forward... I felt Cat was a little better pushing through a turn

Cat Controls are better... Takeuchi is very sensitive, almost jerky... reverse on the Cat feels much smoother and it's easier to follow a radius

Seen both machines run through about 800 hours... no major service or parts issues on either

Takeuchi has great deals... Cat is nicer but I'm not sure about a major price premium on a machine like this... at the end of last year you could rent one interest free and purchase with 0% for 60 months... that makes a good machine look even better!