W2100 vs W2000

[Cairoh]

We're looking at picking up a new machine and can't decide between a W2000 and a W2100. We do a fair amount of edge milling for cities, but are also wanting to start working on larger state roads. We currently edge mill with a W1200 and it's been decent, but it in no way belongs on larger roads. From what I can tell a 2100 would be perfect for a nice in between, not too large for the edge milling but not too small for the state roads. Does anyone have any experience with both machines and how do they perform comparatively. Thanks for any insight you can provide.

[jenstarltd]

Well there is no compareson the 2100 is just more mill, we have a W2000 and a W210 I don;t think you can buy the thousand series any more now it;s W200, W210,and W250 our 210 can do about 3 miles a day 2 inches one lane go big or go home .Good luck and welcome to the forum check us out www.jenstarltd.com

[Cairoh]

Thanks for the response. Meant to say "new to us used machine". My thoughts have been go big or go home as well, so nice to get some confirmation =)

[grindergirl]

We have always bought Wirtgens and think they are the best machines, all though we are trying a Cat 201 and a New Wirtgen 2100 side by side on a highway job. We have never owned a 2000. We have had 2-1900's, 1-500, 1-1200, 1-120F and one Roadtec. The 2100 is a great machine for all capabilities. The older 2100 runs much stronger that the new 2100's the new 2100's fuel consumption is not great. If you need the power I suggest the 2100.

[milling_drum]

The older 2100 owned by Sam at C&S sweeping most certainly out performs the newer 2100, it does not break down near as much and the tail pulley setup on the lower conveyor is much easier to keep material from building up on during the cutting operation and after. The newer designs are make a mess of the lower tail pulley. There was a drive modification that occurred when Wirtgen went to mass producing all the W series models, I'm not sure if its electronic or mechanical but it changed the speed of the drum.

Grindergirl, we spoke earlier this year about me coming out there to work for you, I hope things are going well and I'm sorry I couldn't make it. How do you like the 201? Most that already have the Wirtgen affliction can't adjust well to other equipment is what I've seen....some like them though and they aren't all that bad.

[milling_drum]

Saw a W2100 today with a Kenametal 301 drum in it.....type III out the door hm?

Might get to run a band new W250 this spring, stay tuned kids:)

[big tex]

Kennametal drums leave a much better pattern than any Wirtgen drum we have ever used.

[jenstarltd]

Hey Milling_Drum is it a 12 ft drum and does anyone know the price comparison between Kenametal and Wirtgen drums

[big tex]

I think Kennametal and Wirtgen drums are going to be in the same ball park price wise, but Kennametal puts a 3 year warranty on their drums. I don't believe anyone else does anything even close to that.

[milling_drum]

The machine I saw that drum under was an older 2100 at 7'2". Last year I was running with it on City of Tucson work, the drum was falling apart back then (type III) so they decided enough was enough. I was told by the owner it cost about 20k, original drum barrel with Kenametal flighting and holders...didnt see the shape of the drum of the machine I was running back then but i might be running it in a few weeks and il take a few pics for sure...both these machines are pictured in the set down thread, the one with the 301 drum is the one about to flip over:)

Now just hold on a sec Mr Tex, I've seen me some mighty pretty wirtgen patterns...in page 1 or 2 of the pictures to share thread here some brit milling operation in england has a pattern that about makes my eyes water....problem is, they cost so much to maintain and time...ran a 303 drum last summer and liked it alot. Hit a buried manhole going about 110 fpm, at 2 inches deep on I-5 washington/oregon state line, lost 2 holders and about 15 teeth. we were back in the gound in less than 20 mins. A type 3 drum would have cost a few more minutes for sure cleaning threads and such...

dayum nice to see some folks around here again, tawking to meself gets old...

[hoosier]

I have been around several different 2100's in the last 4 weeks and I have to say I am not impressed at all.
The w2000 models I have run will walk the dog in the 2-4" depths but the w2100s seem sluggish,alot of track slippage.
I have not had a chance to get into any deep cuts yet which I am sure the more horsepower will come into play,but so far in the 2" range,the 2000 will definitely walk away from the 2100 from what I have encountered....

[milling_drum]

Hey Bro, Sorry I haven't been around much lately.

Most of the reasons those mills are like that is for reasons I mentioned in PM, we know the names I discussed and the reasons they aren't at PP&S, well now your seeing a couple of reasons. Don't get it wrong about the W2100, I have cut over 7 miles at 2 inches deep on interstate 94 starting at 7 10 am finish at 4 30 pm....without a doubt the same can be done with the W2000 models but the main concern there is fuel and whether or not the mill can handle running like that consistantly. Villager have that many 2100 models because they are proven the mill that can repeatedly handle the abuse of job to job (weight on moves) and all the BS jumping from milling to removals and back.

Hey uh, next time you get my little friend around and hes had alot to drink, see if you get him on here looking at some of these pictures and comments, ask him real nice if he will make a profile and join the fun:)

[jenstarltd]

I need advice about a block for the HT11 holders (W2000) can it be threaded oversized because the threads are stripped or is their any other solution for this without replacing the block. Thanks Mark

[big tex]

I would think that as long as the hole is still centered, a slightly larger plug should still seat properly on the holder and secure it firmly in place.

[milling_drum]

Id try it for sure, run a size up thread chaser thru it, Gotta always keep those threads clean when torque down, they can tear up easy if the nut is turned back out and a few threads are exposed before turning it back in. I like to use a new nut everytime. You wouldnt believe the amounts of people and companies that think or thought I was a complete idiot over the whole grease the shaft issue, I was really shocked to see it noted in the W210 manual, REALLY shocked. The person that told me to do that was an older fella who is dead now, they called him the wirtgen tooth fairy. At the time, The Miller Group had no clue. That was a type two drum as well.

Oh and uh, I learned a new little trick this week, all the braggin and running off at the keyboard you would think I knew this one too. When you want to set down nice on the trailer, dial your grade box to plus 5 above zero, start to lower the rear and cut the autos on, if your zero is right it will come down perfectly without busting teeth off on the steel beams of the trailer and be easy close enough to chain down no problem. I wouldnt go showing a truck driver that and let them try it on they're own and flip the mill off the trailer because a switch below wasnt hit....

And yes, I fully expect a few people to comment "oh I knew that" hahahaha

[brian]

I knew it ;) you can teach an old dog new tricks haha

[milling_drum]

Hey buddy, you should see the clowns I wound up with in Michigan. Train wreck isn't even a good close description. First day at the Detroit airport, went 100 ft backwards on the drum. Of course they blame me for not using the parking brake but dayum.....when you manually lower an rx900, might want to try to slow down coming into the asphalt a little going 8 or 9 inches deep.

Hope my foreman over there is ok, that really sucked because the day before we were talking about that device im working on for buried manholes.

Be safe, il drop in on my way south.

[andoman]

That sucks, it sounds like the other guys weren't any better? L&L and C&D Hughes are good guys and are who we work with most of the time when we need help, although 10 Mile Creek looks like they're doing pretty well these days.

[brian]

Nice they must have the sensor on the rear leg tube un hooked. Troys doing good we had to put the big drum back under the 2000 because our 210 mised the boat from Germany haha

[milling_drum]

Ya hahahaha that all happened around the same time was getting poofted. Hollar at Troy for me please, he's one of the best iv seen in a awhile. Hell you are too, ain't many sharp ones left in the shed lately.

Andoman, im up here in Posen, this fella whose place im at is a milling legend, he did mention those names plus a few others, what do you know of J&L? I already saw L&L, was pissed off those legs they used on the 60 they milled the Indianapolis speedway with were sent back to roadtec. All are welcome up here to deer hunt, i have over 80 acres, a number of blinds and deer that are happy with eating switchgrass. Cary, the dude that owns the place is great. He's been milling since 1976, set to retire soon.

L&L told me they haven't brought anyone new in since 2010, they have a very low to zilch turnover. IV been talking to a couple of others up here and will have it nailed soon, memorial day is the official kick it and get it day from what iv heard.

[milling_drum]

Btw, I saw the device from the other thread run ..... It is 100% buried iron locator.

[hoosier]

You referring to the boxes that attach to the back of a vehicle and then you drive the road scanning for buried treasures? It connects to a laptop and the screen will display anything buried.
That worked pretty good in finding alot of paved over manholes/railroad tracks when we used it in Charleston.

Starting to enjoy the w2100 a lot more.

[milling_drum]

Its does work like that Hoosier. That device Cary has seems too accumulate large amounts of data because it is so precise. Works nice if you can afford to sit around all day with it but....those 2100's are aight. Only reason the 2200 is something boils down to the V12

[blktppr]

I see this an old post, but I talked to a guy about the 2000, 2100 and 2200 (or the new 200, 210 and 220) and he said it depends on where you are using them. He said he would take a 2000 for everything except straight highway work, and a 2100 for all the rest.

[milling_drum]

The W2100 is the most capable of that class in my opinion. The added HP because of that twin turbo set up is what gives it the edge. However it is true you can tweak them even farther if you know upper and lower drive dynamics. Its possible to go 7 miles straight ahead with one in under 10 hours. The 2200 will move a little faster but the rate of fuel consumption is staggering compared to the 2100.

The 2000 in a 7 ft 2 in, config is the best in its class, it can out maneuver and perform over and over. Straight ahead the RX500 can run away but the 200 has plenty of other tricks the RX500 doesn't. But then again, it depends on whose running both mills.