See anything wrong with this??

[Tiny]

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[willie59]

Looks like he got the memo from your minor boss that chains/binders tear up a trailer, so opted to not use any. :D

[stumpjumper83]

I think he has a single chain across the blade... cant be certain though

[Tiny]

He had a chain across the blade but no where else,I was running 70 and he was passing me.I have told several over the years that I don't have enough horse power to throw anything off but the brakes will make anything slide.

I hope who ever was pulling that has his insurance paid up.

[monster truck]

I see contractors do stuff like that all the time and get away with it. But I get a ticket for not having a chain over the rippers of a little D-4 on my lowbed :Banghead

[bobcatmechanic]

i have had guys say just set the park brake it will ride yeah until you or someone screws up and there it is in the hood ditch or in the seat with you

[mitch504]

A couple of days ago I was at a red light when something stopped just past me banging and clanging. A commercial lawn service with a very fancy service truck was towing a large mower, probably 1500 lbs, on a utilty trailer with no tailgate. They had a piece of 3/8" rope tied from one side of the trailer to the back of the mower. Every time he shifted gears it rolled back and forth about a foot, from stretching the rope to crashing noisily into the front of the trailer.

[RonG]

Commercial vehicle in the passing lane maybe?Ron G

[Bumpus]

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Number one it's against the law.

All loads are to have at least two chains.

And at not more than ... I believe it is ten feet apart,
but I could be wrong on that one.

So if any load is 14 ft long you would need 3 chains.

The excavator in the picture needs 3 chains
because, the bucket needs one just by itself.
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[SPLUNK]

There's no chain on the blade, that's the trailer tongue frame you see, My sales guys were just this bad, they would never chain a skid steer or mini ex, EVER!

[Bumpus]

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Many insurance companies will not cover an improperly secured load
if it causes an accident or cripples, disables, or killes someone,
or damage someone elses property.

[Bumpus]

There's no chain on the blade, that's the trailer tongue frame you see, My sales guys were just this bad, they would never chain a skid steer or mini ex, EVER!


Maybe you should read post # 4
which was written by ( Tiny ) the one who saw it all happen
and started this thread.

This is what he said and he had the best view:



He had a chain across the blade but no where else,I was running 70 and he was passing me.
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[245dlc]

I see guys around here moving bobcats around with chains on, but they're so damn loose they might as well go without, but they never get pulled over by DOT.

[monster truck]

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Number one it's against the law.

All loads are to have at least two chains.

And at not more than ... I believe it is ten feet apart,
but I could be wrong on that one.

So if any load is 14 ft long you would need 3 chains.

The excavator in the picture needs 3 chains
because, the bucket needs one just by itself.
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California rules are a little more strict than that, anything with wheels tires or tracks has to have a four point tie down, no matter what it is or how small it is. Any moving part of a machine also has to be tied down, including dozer blades and rippers. The minimum would be five chains and five binders to tie that mini ex down. I got a warning for only useing three chains on a mini ex (two to the frame, one over the bucket) and a ticket for not having a chain over the rippers of a D4 on the same load.

[muzy]

California rules are a little more strict than that, anything with wheels tires or tracks has to have a four point tie down, no matter what it is or how small it is. Any moving part of a machine also has to be tied down, including dozer blades and rippers. The minimum would be five chains and five binders to tie that mini ex down. I got a warning for only useing three chains on a mini ex (two to the frame, one over the bucket) and a ticket for not having a chain over the rippers of a D4 on the same load.

But in California they can use rope.... I had been told.
Any ways yes on the five points, but only three chains and five boomers, but per Cali. law better upgrade to 4 chains and 6 boomers. Wow.:) muzy

[monster truck]

But in California they can use rope.... I had been told.

Must be grade 70 chain or stronger.

[Dualie]

they wont even let us use rope to tide down loads of hay anymore. Apparently what we been doing since the invention of the hay bale isn't good enough anymore.

[muzy]

Must be grade 70 chain or stronger.

Oh, they changed that. Nice.
I have seen equipment tied down with rope in Cali. Always thought that was just wrong. LOL muzy:)

[Hendrik]

Hmmnh, yes, the driver of the truck is taking pictures whilst driving.

Ohh yeah and it appears the plumber is a bit lazy.

[Tiny]

Hmmnh, yes, the driver of the truck is taking pictures whilst driving.

You caught me... But I was in a bad area for the cell phone.Outta smokes and left my lunch box at the shop.No one talking on the CB.I don't do make up so I had to do something
.......hehehehehehehe

[Randy88]

A guy I know doesn't own any chains or binders and moves his oversized tile plow on a triple axle trailer all the time, have no idea how he gets by with it but I always give him a wide birth every time I meet him and never follow too close behind him either. The dot has a hayday with me every time they see me and I'm legal and they still nitpick me to death, one time they didn't find anything wrong so they fined me for having 52% of one block sticking out of the sump hole in the bottom of my trailer and law states it has to be less than 50% sticking out, and this clown doesn't own any chains or binders. I had a farmer pass me one time with a gooseneck trailer flatbed behind his diesel pickup and he was hauling a front wheel assist loader tractor with chains on the back wheels and front wheels and he had round bale on the loader forks sitting on top of the gooseneck just behind his head and didn't have a single chain or strap on anything and I was going the speedlimit at the time and he passed me like I was sitting still and it was during the winter and it was snowing pretty good at the time and he must have loaded it right out of a snowband because the whole deck was covered with at least six inches of snow and his beavertail was covered with ice. I couldn't believe it and just slowed down and pulled over and waited a few minutes and my kids asked me what I was doing and I told them if that idiot crashed I didn't want to be the first on the scene and have to try to save his ass.

[Tiny]

Moved the 200 ton hydro in to set beams and saw this. 3 5/16 chains was all this guy had to secure that beam. close to 35,000 lbs.

[RonG]

If that beam is coming off of there we wouldn't want it to take the trailer with it now would we?:))Ron G

[Randy88]

I'm seeing that beam go straight through the trucks cab if he was to stop fast or do a headon with someone rolling down the road, don't think the headache rack would stop it much.

[maddog]

In NY he'd be getting a ticket, all four corners are suppose to be chained down. Some of these folks think chains are to hold the load while taking off. The part they don't realize it is just as{if not more**important to have things chained so they don't slam forward if brakes had to be apllied forcibly.

[Bumpus]

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Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration's Cargo Securement Rules



Minimum Number of Tiedowns Required By Law:

The cargo securement system used to restrain articles against movement must meet requirements concerning the minimum number of tiedowns. This requirement is in addition to complying with rules concerning the minimum working load limit. When an article of cargo is not blocked or positioned to prevent movement in the forward direction, the number of tiedowns needed depends on the length and weight of the articles. There must be - one tiedown for articles 5 ft or less in length, and 1,100 lbs or less in weight; two tiedowns if the article is - 5 ft or less in length and more than 1,100 lbs in weight; or greater than 5 ft but less than 10 ft, regardless of weight.

In the following example, one tiedown is required because the article of cargo is 5 ft in length and does not exceed 1,100 lbs. If the article of cargo were greater than 5 ft in length but less than 10 ft, two tiedowns would be needed regardless of the weight. When an article of cargo is not blocked or positioned to prevent movement in the forward direction, and the item is longer than 10 ft in length, then it must be secured by two tiedowns for the first 10 ft of length, and one additional tiedown for every 10 ft of length, or fraction thereof, beyond the first 10 ft. An example of this is provided below. If an article is blocked, braced or immobilized to prevent movement in the forward direction by a headerboard, bulkhead, other articles that are adequately secured, or other appropriate means, it must be secured by at least one tiedown for every 10 ft of article length, or fraction thereof.


For The Whole List Of Rules On All Types Of Loads:

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/truck/vehicle/cs-policy.htm

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[muzy]

Yes he has insufecent securment. But is not as simple as it looks. On the prestresed beam you can only chain where you have dunnage. They are unable to to place dunage in the center due to the arch in the trailer. But a small amount of imagination would allow four chains easy. And if they were 3/8 that would put him close..... but no cigar. 6 would be correct. One acros the face pulling back, one across the back pulling forward. Padded and or with the metal corrners, bungee cord over the top in case they slack off. It is what I have done, depart light every time. muzy

[monkey]

well here is my EL240B they just picked up today. The guy put a binder on each corner of the tracks. I thought to myself, "hmmm, that doesn't look very secure". Thought he woulda also dropped the locking pin down to secure the cab to the frame. Did nothing to the bucket either. After he loaded it, he mused outloud "I wonder if I shoulda put the outriggers out, I guess it will be okay". But then he does this for a living and I don't :rolleyes: He did at least flag the front of it.
I guess it's all good to you get in a situation....then it's usually to late.

great forum :cool::thumbsup
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m280/hndlbarmonkey/farm/excavator001.jpg

[Tiny]

I have argued against that with a lot of guys(boomers only holding an excavator) and they tell me I'm full of it. Supposed to have enough chains on it to pick the weight of that machine.I see nothing to restrain the boom and upper works from swinging.

I tie to the frame Or roller frame,I have seen tracks come off .If it moves it needs tied off , The boom needs to be protected and secured

[monkey]

yeah and it was actually going to Cat to get the undercarriage re-done. The front idlers and sprockets were pretty much gone. Guess it made it though, didn't get a call or see it in the news :laugh

[OCR]

He did at least flag the front of it.
Ahhh!... That explains why the little chrome hub cap is missing from the right front lowboy axle... bet he taped it to your exhaust pipe, so the turbo wouldn't spin in the wind... ;)

I have argued against that with a lot of guys and they tell me I'm full of it.
Yes, that's correct... :cool2



OCR... lol

[monkey]

Ahhh!... That explains why the little chrome hub cap is missing from the right front lowboy axle... bet he taped it to your exhaust pipe, so the turbo wouldn't spin in the wind... ;)

OCR... lol

thanks for pointing that out to me :mad: I should have caught that. :Banghead He only had 20 miles to the shop....if that makes me feel any better :o

[Dusty Roads]

Here are some good ones I got in an e-mail today :jawdrop

[jamo1911]

A friend of mine will spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair because someone didn't tie down something correctly. Read about it here http://www.law5141.com/Articles/Injury-Lawsuit-Settled-for-11-85-million.shtml (http://www.law5141.com/Articles/Injury-Lawsuit-Settled-for-11-85-million.shtml).

[Randy88]

Talk about a freak deal, three years ago now in the fall is was a nice day out and I sent my wife home with my semi and lowboy and my yougest daughter [then 14] went along with her, after dropping off my trencher and they took forever to get back. As they were turning into our driveway, she was making a right hand turn, she had the drivers window open and she was meeting a junk hauler and a scrap of steel bounced off his trailer and bounced onto the highway and right into the open window of the drivers side as she was making the turn and hit her in the forehead, kinda knockng her senseless and knocking her glasses off her face so she couldn't see. The second or two to get it together again was too long and my daughter grabbed the wheel and yanked it to the right to continue into the yard and my daughter couldn't get her feet over to the brake soon enough and the semi hit my windmill corner brace. If it weren't for my daughter along the truck would have probably gone into the end of the house and who knows what would have happened, neither one saw the driver of the truck or what company was doing the hauling, you just never pay any attention at the moment and it took several minutes to piece it all together and figure out what happened and they both heard it hit the pavement and later found it in the cab on the floor but had no idea what it was or ever saw it coming. That day I was the luckiest guy on earth, my wife could have been really seriously injured or killed. Our daughter was along and no real damage had been done to speak of and the outcome was pretty good as far as I'm concerned, if the chunck of steel were to have been any bigger I don't know if she would be here today period. I left the windmill alone as a reminder as to what can happen and we see it every time we leave the yard, she felt really bad about the damage and I've told her dozens of times to get over it, I'm tickled that it ended as good as it did, she didn't suffer any problems or head injury conditions and she only had a scar for a little while and now its gone.

I think about it ever time I see a scrap truck go by or meet one on the road or leave the yard and see the reminder when I look at the windmill of just how lucky we were that day, after that I've never said anything about being in a hurry to get somewhere or something done and neither of us turn into someplace when we are meeting traffic, we always wait until after they pass before making a right hand turn, that way you can at least see something coming instead of lookng to where your turning and not to oncoming traffic.

Theres a lot of morons out there who don't have a clue as to what safety is all about let alone care and they outnumber us 10,000 to one, I don't mean to complain but the car and pickup drivers are the worst, the ones who have no idea what a truck is or how long it takes to stop or how wide it takes to turn around a corner, all drivers should have to be able to manuveur a wide load truck in rush hour traffic and not driving over some idiots ass before ever getting a simple drivers liscense in my opinion then they'd at least have some idea my 75 ft long truck and trailer hauling something 13 ft wide weighing in at 120,000 lbs can't accelerate, stop or manuveur like their suv or van can.

[WIDELOAD]

"Theres a lot of morons out there who don't have a clue as to what safety is all about let alone care and they outnumber us 10,000 to one, I don't mean to complain but the car and pickup drivers are the worst, the ones who have no idea what a truck is or how long it takes to stop or how wide it takes to turn around a corner, all drivers should have to be able to manuveur a wide load truck in rush hour traffic and not driving over some idiots ass before ever getting a simple drivers liscense in my opinion then they'd at least have some idea my 75 ft long truck and trailer hauling something 13 ft wide weighing in at 120,000 lbs can't accelerate, stop or manuveur like their suv or van can.
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Amen Randy88 i could not have said it better myself. I drive lowboy in northern va, the capital of stupid drivers. Reply With Quote