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coopers
12-27-2005, 11:41 PM
Hey guys, I've had a few people ask me about angle blades on mini-excavators. I am not too familiar with these. I think that a mini doesn't really have the pushing power to do this job. I think they do well for pushing forward but angle requires a little more power just because of the ackward angle. Anyone have opinions on this? Thanks!!

Blake
WA

Cat420
12-28-2005, 12:26 AM
I haven't ever used one and I've only seen them on a few machines. Kobelco offers them on their 150 and 190 bladerunner models, but those weigh 30,000-40,000lbs. The only smaller machine that I can remember seeing one on was a Komatsu pc-40 or something close to that. I've used a pc-40 with a straight blade and rubber tracks and it didn't even like to push straight. I don't know how much of a difference steel tracks would have made. I suppose if a smaller machine was only being used to backfill small trenches then it wouldn't need much power to push an angle blade. It certainly won't replace a dozer for major grading work.

One of the downsides that I can see would be having the extra weight of the angling piston and frame hanging off the front of the machine. Most smaller machine don't take much to lose their balance.

Squizzy246B
12-28-2005, 06:45 AM
We don't have one on our Kubota KX161-3 but I see plenty online in the States with them and the operators appear to like them. As for mini's not having the pushing power well its all relavent to size....why put a blade on at all??. I was running a Cat 302.5 last week and it had heaps of pushing power...for its size.

lamarbur
12-28-2005, 07:50 AM
Kubota has been offering these as an option the last couple of years. I don't see any out there in operation yet...

coopers
12-28-2005, 10:11 PM
Yeah, the reason I ask is that kubota is now putting them on their machines, almost all the ones on display at the kubota dealership we buy ours from have them on and I wasn't sure what people thought. I have a guy that is comtemplating having one on his 121-3.

Blake
WA

CascadeScaper
12-29-2005, 01:57 PM
I hear Cat is to incorporate an angle blade onto its '06 304/305CR machines.

amxgerry
12-29-2005, 06:18 PM
keep in mind that final drives on smaller units are not designed like one on a small dozer.. new units may be tougher but on older units, go easy , and dozing is allso hard on tracks.


regards gerry

nobull1
12-29-2005, 07:41 PM
Hey guys, I've had a few people ask me about angle blades on mini-excavators. I am not too familiar with these. I think that a mini doesn't really have the pushing power to do this job. I think they do well for pushing forward but angle requires a little more power just because of the ackward angle. Anyone have opinions on this? Thanks!!

Blake
WA

Blake,

I also agree with you that the power of the drive might not be sufficient for long term reliability. The cost of replacing drives is in the $5000.00 range each in Canada. The idea is great but I would like to see some long term use before I rushed out to get one. On my excavator I try not to do too much tracking or dozing as I think this is a secondary use for this type of machine. Although I have no proof of problems associated with extended tracking and dozing I do know of machines that have had both sides replaced. When I had issues with Kubota Canada I had a opportunity to talk to people in the know. One of the things that came up in a secondary discussion was one of the main feedback that was received from the dealers pertaining to excavators. One of the biggest wants by the public was faster and more power in the drive motors for pushing, moving etc.. Now this is a legitimate expectation from the manufacturer but it comes with a cost. Larger more powerful drive motors cost a lot more which adds to the cost of new machines. So I would like to see that drives can take the additional load from angle blading as well as what percentage of the time the blade is being used. Unfortunately the small amount of these machines out there means it could take awhile to find out any good feedback. As I stated above the cost of these drives is so much that at present time it "could" be a risk of costing money down the road. At present the warranty is only one year and most components "should" have no problem exceeding that. I just don't want to have to replace them in year two or three. The bottom line is IMO I don't think the unproven new design is worth the risk. Now if I had to have one for the jobs that I was doing or the dealer/manufacturer was willing to stand behind the potential problems with extended warranty on certain components I might think different. I just hate being the tester of new designs at my expense. In almost thirty years of buying new equipment and vehicles I found the best to be the well tested as opposed to the new, flashy and unproven. Just not as kool when you don't have the latest and greatest.

Yukon Digger
01-07-2009, 03:14 AM
I got the angle blade on our Kubota 121-3 we got last year and found it realy handy. I was a little bit unsure of the extra weight in case we had to sling it anywhere by chopper but it was very handy for road building and making drill pads. One nice thing was being able to angle the blade to give an extra push to a boulder to get it over the edge of a bank. I also had to move some 3 ton concrete slabs around on rollers and angle gave me a bit more push and control. I can also push snow like a son of a gun. Heated cab beats the cold open ATV.

stumpjumper83
01-07-2009, 06:51 AM
I can see where an angle blade would actually be better for the tracks. No longer when backfilling a trench must you do it perpenpicular to the trench. Push a blade width, backup turn, push... With a angle blade, just run parrallel to trench and fill it in. If the mini cant push it all in with one pass, make two passes. Miles don't kill tracks, spinning and turning kill tracks. Also the blade on a mini isn't designed to be a dozer blade, notice the lack of a replaceable cutting edge?

I think they are ment to be a stabilizer and a trench backfiller. I wanna try a blade runner out, they are designed as an excavator / dozer.

Orchard Ex
01-08-2009, 10:02 AM
FWIW - I was told that Kubota was coming out with a 6 way blade option for the 121 this year. I think that Komatsu has that on some of their mini's as well.

Iron Horse
01-08-2009, 05:48 PM
Excavators with a blade option also come with upgraded track motors .

I think an angle blade would be great , and a PAT blade even better . My 3.5 tonner had heaps of push . With a bit of a dig around the roots , it would push over pretty big trees .

stumpjumper83
01-09-2009, 03:08 PM
Using the blade to push trees over when you can use the bucket??

Red Bank
01-09-2009, 06:57 PM
Also the blade on a mini isn't designed to be a dozer blade, notice the lack of a replaceable cutting edge?

Does this mean I was wrong to have our blades modified to run a replaceable cutting edge?;) I think it depends on what you are working on or with? Our foremen have asked for a Kubota with an angle blade but the Boss said no, he thinks too many parts and another cylinder to tear up, our mini's work in the street, and when backfilling I think the angle blade would work better. I have watched our operators work these blades and in my opinion they have plenty of pushing power for what we are using them for. As far as the replaceable cutting edge, some Cat engineers came out last year and checked out our modified blades, said they were interested in making that a "severe duty" option. Haven't seen the option or my royalty check yet;)

terratrac300
01-09-2009, 09:00 PM
i love the angle blade on our kx121 and if it is true there coming out with a 6 way that would be even better

Iron Horse
01-10-2009, 12:48 AM
Using the blade to push trees over when you can use the bucket??

I put the bucket up high into the tree and walk forward to push it over using the track motors .

mverick
02-04-2009, 10:26 PM
I can see where an angle blade would actually be better for the tracks. No longer when backfilling a trench must you do it perpenpicular to the trench. Push a blade width, backup turn, push... With a angle blade, just run parrallel to trench and fill it in. If the mini cant push it all in with one pass, make two passes. Miles don't kill tracks, spinning and turning kill tracks. Also the blade on a mini isn't designed to be a dozer blade, notice the lack of a replaceable cutting edge?

I think they are ment to be a stabilizer and a trench backfiller. I wanna try a blade runner out, they are designed as an excavator / dozer.

If the trench collapses and you're running along it with that blade, you're in trouble. To it and back is much safer. Your heaviest load is 3 feet or so back from the trench. Along the trench it's right at the edge.

I used to do it with mine. Fell in but boomed over fast enough to not go into the trench when it collapsed. Mine didn't have the adjustment, i extended the blade myself for speed.

Never again.

trenchman
02-06-2009, 09:51 PM
First of all the mini's are not a dozer,By doing so you will kill the life of your rubber tracks. I take the bucket and pull and push the trench full and then do clean up with the blade. I have a 36in ditching bucket for this. Having a angle blade for this would be a huge time saver and would also cause less property damage because your not turning and tearing up the lot.

croweater
02-06-2009, 10:56 PM
I agree with Trenchman. Way less stress on tracks and running gear by using ditching/mud bucket to backfill but for a final cleanup where you want to mound on top of trench it would be great especially in tight areas or lawn.

k45
03-25-2009, 11:16 PM
Well I'm new to mini excavators, I just picked up my my KX-121 with angle blade yesterday and put a few hours into it. I rented one without the angle blade a few weeks ago.

For my use, the angle blade is fantastic.

Mostly I'm building trails across hillsides. All I have to do is use the bucket for a few strokes on the high side and the dirt is loose and I move the unit straight forward. The angle blade pushes the dirt to the downside.

Also, the Kubota has "float" with the blade so you can back up with it angled and smooth out the work.

So far, it's not taking much effort to push the dirt sideways so I have my doubts that it's going to be a heavy wear issue.

Ken

Yukon Digger
03-26-2009, 05:20 AM
Welcome k45.

Well said. Trails on hillsides up here is what I do a lot of and the angle blade and float makes for quick work. Its handy also to use the angle blade to give a boulder or stump that extra push to get it over the edge and down the hill without creeping too far over the edge.

pjdiesel
05-31-2009, 05:45 PM
I have a 161 with angle blade it is nice, and pushing power isn't a problem I pushed my wheeler dump truck up a grassy hill in the rain no one in the truck with no problem. I hope they put a 6 way blade on them.

terratrac300
07-07-2009, 09:25 PM
ok just to add to this thread we got last week a BRAND NEW kx-121 with the 6 way blade, if you like the angle blade you`ll love the 6 way, it is great and it doesn`t seem to have changed the balance of the machine with the extra weight...

k45
07-07-2009, 09:57 PM
6 way blade does sound nice :) When I bought my KX-121 a few months ago, the dealer said that they had heard that the 6 way was coming, but hadn't seen one yet.

I'm sure it would be extra cost :eek: I'm happy with what I have. Now I'm looking for a skid steer too :D

Ken

Orchard Ex
07-07-2009, 10:02 PM
I played with one at the dealer last week. Seems that Kubota did a nice job on it but it sure is expensive.

Yukon Digger
07-16-2009, 10:32 AM
I can't say enough good about the angle blade on our KX121-3 and can't live without it, but as sexy as the 6-way is I'm not sure how much I would use it for the extra-cost. I would have to use one on a few jobs but I'm sure one would get use to it and miss it if you went to a machine with out it. It would be handy cutting ditches when building roads on slopes I think. Or for fancy landscaping. If anyone was thinking of buying a new machine I'd say go for the 6-way if its available. Depending on what you're doing it shoud pay for itself in few hundred hours. Anyways it just adds to the versitility of the whole mini market. A good thing.

245dlc
03-17-2010, 09:07 PM
Yeah and the machines with the angles blades or six-way blade also come with bolt on blades.