some things just make me mad

[tyler5652@yahoo]

ok so there is this company that has been coming to my town to do demolishing work. well they torn down one place one day i couldnt make it to that one. well today i managed to go down and watch them tear down a old burger king, well these guys have brand new equipment personally i think the pc 200 they are using is under sized for the job they are doing but thats my opinion. but anyways it just looks like they went out bought this equipment and they are just tearing it up bad, i mean ive never seen a company mess their equipment up as bad. has anyone else ever seen this type of stuff going on????

[Turbo21835]

It happens in the demo business. A 200 will do most of they stuff you want to do when it comes to wrecking houses and small commercial. The bad thing with a 20 ton machine is trying to load high sided trailers. So you usually sit on top of the pile of debris. This leads to things getting caught in the tracks and smacking the counterweight and into the lower windshield if youre not watching. Rebar is a demo mans worst nightmare. you never really know what its going to do. Some times it pinches inbetween grousers. Its really fun when you have a piece come in the cab, nothing like playing patty cakes with some rebar.

How serious of a demo company are they, this is simple to find out. Do they have cab guards on the machine or not?

[tyler5652@yahoo]

well when they did the other demo on the other building i did not get to see, they subb'd out a company a believe to cut the concrete and foundation? because the pc 200 couldnt really handle it. they are not loading trucks with the excavator they are primarily using i believe a cat 953 track loader. the operators do not know anything, im not saying anyone on here is like them so do not take it the wrong way but these guys are jokes. all they do it tear the place down and sub the rest out so i really do not understand it. and the had i beams hitting both there equipment not rebar from what i could see so maybe they are lucky for now? lol. and as far as cab gaurds, you mean like rails over the windows? well if so no they do not have that.

[dirt digger]

i think its a little conceded to say these operators know nothing when you saw them once...

i also think for that type of work, especially a one story place like a Burger King a 20 ton hoe is fine. We tear down 2 story houses with our 15 ton hoe all the time, all that is wood though, so loading trucks isn't a problem.

[qball]

dude, let'em tear their iron up. more work for local mechanics and weldors.
and when the iron gives up, a new outfit can step in.
it's the circle of life.

[tyler5652@yahoo]

dude, let'em tear their iron up. more work for local mechanics and weldors.
and when the iron gives up, a new outfit can step in.
it's the circle of life.

you got a point, i could care less personally but its just the equipment getting tore up like that, that bothers me if you understand where im coming from?

[tyler5652@yahoo]

i think its a little conceded to say these operators know nothing when you saw them once...

i also think for that type of work, especially a one story place like a Burger King a 20 ton hoe is fine. We tear down 2 story houses with our 15 ton hoe all the time, all that is wood though, so loading trucks isn't a problem.

i didnt mean to make any of our guys on here seem like bad operators dont get me wrong i know all of you guys are great ive learned alot here. umm as far as the demo part for the size of machine it just depends who the operator is, i mean you probally could do good compared to these guys. hell im not even saying they are bad im just saying they are hard on their equipment.

[stock]

Firstly if you are spending time watching your opposition who is watching your business???,and if you are going to get worked up over something that is beyond your control you will end up with ulsers, a heart attack or worse so let them run their own course ,you watch and control your own , mind your gear and what you can control.

Stock

[jmz]

why does it matter so much to you?

[jmz]

I mean you really don't know enough about these guys to be so critical, so what if they sub some of it out, maybe it is more cost effective to do it that way. One of the keys to running a successful business is knowing your limitations.

[Buckethead]

well today i managed to go down and watch them tear down a old burger king, well these guys have brand new equipment personally i think the pc 200 they are using is under sized for the job they are doing but thats my opinion. but anyways it just looks like they went out bought this equipment and they are just tearing it up bad, i mean ive never seen a company mess their equipment up as bad. has anyone else ever seen this type of stuff going on????

Machines get scratched up on demolition work, that's just the nature of the beast. I can't say without actually looking at the site but, I don't think a PC200 is necessarily too small to demo a small commercial building like a Burger King. The expense of moving a bigger machine, or moving and setting up a high reach demolition machine was probably prohibitive for a small job. Remember that contractor is in business to make money, if that's the profitable machine to use, that's what they'll use.

[jimmyjack]

well when they did the other demo on the other building i did not get to see, they subb'd out a company a believe to cut the concrete and foundation? because the pc 200 couldnt really handle it. they are not loading trucks with the excavator they are primarily using i believe a cat 953 track loader. the operators do not know anything, im not saying anyone on here is like them so do not take it the wrong way but these guys are jokes. all they do it tear the place down and sub the rest out so i really do not understand it. and the had i beams hitting both there equipment not rebar from what i could see so maybe they are lucky for now? lol. and as far as cab gaurds, you mean like rails over the windows? well if so no they do not have that.
i dont know but with comments like this your making me think your someone whos never been in a machine :beatsme " you mean like rails over the windows" that to me says i now nothin about what im talking about and your just bitching about something you really shouldnt be putting 2 cents in,or about how someone operating skills are or the way they run there company:idontgetit

[milling_drum]

Not to take away from demo but, in asphalt milling, its pretty common to see people that don't have a clue. Newer equipment provides the luxury of not having to worry about certain things and they sure don't care if they don't have to fix their own equipment either.

[Grader4me]

i dont know but with comments like this your making me think your someone whos never been in a machine :beatsme " you mean like rails over the windows" that to me says i now nothin about what im talking about and your just bitching about something you really shouldnt be putting 2 cents in,or about how someone operating skills are or the way they run there company:idontgetit


I think some are taking this the wrong way. Regardless of seat time or no seat time, it's not hard to pick out an operator that's hard on equipment. One thing that stands out in this forum to me is the fact that most of us are on the same page with our thoughts on people abusing their machine.
I can see how this type of work would be harder on equipment, but the way I'm reading the post from tyler5652@yahoo is that he sees obvious abuse. All he is doing is expressing his concern. No need to rip him apart.

[tyler5652@yahoo]

I think some are taking this the wrong way. Regardless of seat time or no seat time, it's not hard to pick out an operator that's hard on equipment. One thing that stands out in this forum to me is the fact that most of us are on the same page with our thoughts on people abusing their machine.
I can see how this type of work would be harder on equipment, but the way I'm reading the post from tyler5652@yahoo is that he sees obvious abuse. All he is doing is expressing his concern. No need to rip him apart.

thanks grader, i figured everyone would hate me the way this thread went so far. like i said i didnt mean to offend anyone but damn. but ill just keep my 2 cents 2 myself about it for now on

[Sparffo]

thanks grader, i figured everyone would hate me the way this thread went so far. like i said i didnt mean to offend anyone but damn. but ill just keep my 2 cents 2 myself about it for now on

I really hate to watch regular earth mowing companys doing demo at too low cost and with the wrong equipment!:mad:
usually they end up with a big pile of waste that they dig down in the back yard, when real demolition companys do it the way regulations tell to do.
The machines get ripped apart by operators who hasn't demo experiece and uses the bucket as hammer etc...
A good demo operator thinks the whole project ahead, so he doesn't end up hiring other equpment to save him from his bad planning, in the worst case he ends up under the building:beatsme

I think a 30 ton machine is optimal for medium size demo, under 2 stories. smaller machines are well suited for wooden structures or material handling, small machines are slow if you have concrete or metall buildings, the tools are dead slow and ineffective. at least here in Finland anything under 31 ton and 3,5m wide move around fairly easily.

[tyler5652@yahoo]

I really hate to watch regular earth mowing companys doing demo at too low cost and with the wrong equipment!:mad:
usually they end up with a big pile of waste that they dig down in the back yard, when real demolition companys do it the way regulations tell to do.
The machines get ripped apart by operators who hasn't demo experiece and uses the bucket as hammer etc...
A good demo operator thinks the whole project ahead, so he doesn't end up hiring other equpment to save him from his bad planning, in the worst case he ends up under the building:beatsme

I think a 30 ton machine is optimal for medium size demo, under 2 stories. smaller machines are well suited for wooden structures or material handling, small machines are slow if you have concrete or metall buildings, the tools are dead slow and ineffective. at least here in Finland anything under 31 ton and 3,5m wide move around fairly easily.

they were using the bucket as a hammer on the foundation, which i thought was pretty hard on the equipment.

[jimmyjack]

i didnt mean to come off so harsh, i was having a crappy day that day so i guess it came off in the post..

try and get some pics next time , maybe that will help me see what your seeing these guys doin wrong:beatsme

[pushcat]

Why can't you do both? I do. In fact, right now is demolition season. 2 feet of frost has put the kabosh to moving dirt and grading, so I'm looking at a months work of demolition to start on after the first of the year. What do you mean, wrong equipment? An excavator, loader cat, tracked skidloader, and trucks are able to move dirt and demo also. Throw the breaker on the hoe if you need to, and bring the dragline from the sandpit to swing a wrecking ball if needed. I can have 1 rolloff truck and if the other one gets caught up I get 2. I couldn't imagine having a couple million dollars worth of equipment sitting for a couple months of the year.

[lgammon]

i don't want to offend anyone here but, around here demo is kind of hack work. i am only talking about 2 stories and smaller. there is so little money in it, it is not even funny. we priced a 2 story apartment building a year ago for 20 grand and the guy that took the bid got it for 5 grand. this was a bad site to 10 from builings on both sides and a main power line 4 feet off the back of the building, and maybe a 15 car parking lot to work in. so anyone getting in to this is probbably not going to last long so if this is there focus i would be happy that is there going to be a late model parts machine at the bank if the hext year or so

[goodB0Y]

ok so there is this company that has been coming to my town to do demolishing work. well they torn down one place one day i couldnt make it to that one. well today i managed to go down and watch them tear down a old burger king, well these guys have brand new equipment personally i think the pc 200 they are using is under sized for the job they are doing but thats my opinion. but anyways it just looks like they went out bought this equipment and they are just tearing it up bad, i mean ive never seen a company mess their equipment up as bad. has anyone else ever seen this type of stuff going on????

We see guys like this every once in a while... usually one guy with a bit of money and a friend who needs a demo done. Then they go out lease a machine ( 20 ton is a good size for anything under 3.5 stories IMHO) and start under cuting all the reputable guys here in town.

company like these don't last too long around here, and most experienced contractors know beter than to use them... but they do bite into our work and make the whole industry look bad. I've seen these guys at work and it's not pretty to watch...

After 6-8 months after there equipment is trashed and they mess up a couple of jobs and miss there lease payments... they usually just fade away... ... .. .

edit: probably should have said 3 story wood structures

[redneckpete]

Hey, I abuse my machines and I'm not embarrassed to admit it. I push them to the max day in and day out. I do big jobs with small machines and huge jobs with medium sized machines. When they are stuffed, I throw them out and buy another.

I also make money along the way. I pay for the machine, pay my wages and have enough left over to buy some really nice toys. What more do you want?

If you had enough time to sit and watch the clowns tear the building down, I can't understand why it is that you couldn't get there to do the job.

Pete

[destroyer]

Happens in Here in La Sometimes Usually a Not Experienced Operator or the Boss's Kid Jacking it Up

[Grader4me]

Hey, I abuse my machines and I'm not embarrassed to admit it. I push them to the max day in and day out. I do big jobs with small machines and huge jobs with medium sized machines. When they are stuffed, I throw them out and buy another.

I also make money along the way. I pay for the machine, pay my wages and have enough left over to buy some really nice toys. What more do you want?

If you had enough time to sit and watch the clowns tear the building down, I can't understand why it is that you couldn't get there to do the job.

Pete

Missed this one. To each his own..Maybe he is a bit young to do the job??
I find it strange that you call the operators clowns that are tearing the building down, but you openly admit that you abuse your equipment :confused:

[Taylortractornu]

I hate to see a machine abused to, Ive done alot of demolition and never used the bucket like a hammer. I saw an outfit here that other day the operators had 2 new hoesone was a Doosan and the other was a Cat not even a week old and they had the counterweight in a pile of bricks on the Cat. The Cat eventually quit swinging becauseso much fell between the tracks and tail. They tore the crowd arm cylinder out of the Doosan with a beam in the building trying to demo the pad behind them. I cant for the life of me figure why they didnt leave the pad to back trucks onto and demo and load and then start at the back of the pad and demo out and stay out of the mud. This is how I did my first big demo as lead operator overthe job. This building was a 3 story brick warehouse.

[goodB0Y]

Nothing bothers me more than operators who abuse there machines... we had a couple of guys who worked with us who were brutal on the equipment... but now that good operators are easier to find with the economy the way it is...they were the first to go... and they cant find any one to hire them...

redneckpete... most try to keep there equipment in top condition as it's a big investment... and equipment break downs cost too much money... you must have a real good gig if ya can trash your machines and throw them away to buy new ones all the time.