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Wyoming

11-18-2008, 01:25 PM

The first scraper I ran was a three axel Euclid ts40 as I recall. It had a V12 71 series Detroit Diesel engine in front and a V8 71 series in the rear. The rear engine had twin stacks that were curved at the top so they pointed at the scraper following.

It was a highball job (as are most) and we often were almost end to end from the cut to the fill and back. The noise from following a screaming Jimmy for 8 or 10 hours that close was unreal even with earplugs, I have a hearing problem today because of that job ouch!

The seat was on a steel post with no ride cushioning other than the seat pad, that is why my back hurts now days! There was a point in time on that job that we loaded under a belt, all we had was a ROP cage and just breathing while loading was a job in itself! The dirt and dust just poured down our shirts into our pants and well you know, it was not a pretty site!

At times we would get to much material loaded and couldn't open the apron in the fill. The only way to get it open was to bounce the pan with the raise lower lever while pumping the apron lever at the same time. More than once I had a hydraulic hose break on me right at my control's and would be sprayed with hot hydraulic fluid, it happened to everyone that was on the job for a long period of time. The hydraulic fluid combined with the dust and by the end of they day I/we didn't even look like people anymore.

Anyway I cant find a picture of one, the closest I have found is shown below. If anyone has a picture of one of these beasts I sure would like to see it.

27110

Grader4me

11-18-2008, 02:18 PM

If anyone has a picture of one of these beasts I sure would like to see it.

After reading your post I wouldn't even want to see a picture of it :eek: Ahhh the good old days :drinkup Now us old farts are paying the price due to what we had to run in the past. I've never run a scraper but I can relate to what you're saying.

surfer-joe

11-18-2008, 09:51 PM

Was that job in Wyoming or California? Wasn't for Johnson Brothers was it?

stumpjumper83

11-18-2008, 09:58 PM

And I thought that the ts-14's that I had to run were bad.... wow

Wyoming

11-18-2008, 10:07 PM

Was that job in Wyoming or California? Wasn't for Johnson Brothers was it?

The job was building I-5 south of Gorman California the year was 1966. The contractor was Western Contracting.

Vantage_TeS

11-19-2008, 02:04 AM

OCR

11-19-2008, 02:39 AM

Good job with the links there, Vantage_TeS.... :thumbsup

OCR

EZ TRBO

11-20-2008, 07:57 PM

I'm only 24 and am already seeing the effects(from my hearing report) of spending my high school days on the John Deere 860 with the 671. It had what looked like a muffler but sure didn't muffle anything. My grandpa, tween running that and the old Murphy on our lime mill bout has him deaf but hes 86 as well so has some years in.

It was loud and rough but I still loved running it all day long.

Trbo

Wyoming

11-20-2008, 08:13 PM

Are you looking for a TS40 (single bowl) or a TSS40 (double bowl)?

Page 69 has some TSS40s: http://books.google.com/books?id=oyX4X1B_hLsC&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=Euclid+ts+40&source=web&ots=_M6NzvXimz&sig=FADogTPPbYpYzxIrDFOvsRCnoZ4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA69,M1

Page 34 has another double bowl TSS40: http://books.google.com/books?id=MsH5Y6xVJl0C&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=Euclid+ts+40&source=web&ots=p8MJz2VhPp&sig=1FwbAQtsB-XLVvPWwPT3mb8uHW0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA34,M1

Was the TS40 the same thing but just a single bowl?

I am looking for a TS 40 I think, it may of been called a TSS40 but in any case it was a single bowl, it was a three axel scraper. Now that I have been reading the forums I think it had a V16 in front and a V8 in the rear. This was way back in 1966 so I may have forgotten a "S" and a few cylinders.... LOL

Wyoming

11-20-2008, 09:36 PM

If you have never seen or heard a Screaming Jimmy or just miss the sound of one here is a link that will refresh your memory.... LOL Just crank up the sound on your computer and it is pretty close (depending on your speakers)to what they sound like when you are running them in real life.... :naughty

http://www.nesys.org/HCEA/BV2003_Sun/MPG/MOV06950.mpg

Dwan Hall

11-20-2008, 10:24 PM

Sounds about right. I have a 4/71 in my grader 3' behind my ear.

RocksnRoses

11-20-2008, 10:47 PM

Music to the ears! (through the earmuffs, of course).

Rn'R.

Vantage_TeS

11-22-2008, 12:37 AM

Wyoming

11-22-2008, 12:57 AM

They are similar to a cat 660/666 I believe. Tractor with two axles up front and then the scraper bowl and a single axle in the rear?

http://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/Forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10707&d=1199494214

Yes they are very similar, I cant believe they are all gone. There was a bunch of them in the 60-70's but I sure cant find a picture of one now, its weird I tell ya!

I did order the book "Colossal Earthmovers" from the link you posted above, Thanks :notworthy.

Iron Horse

11-22-2008, 03:51 AM

We have a Jimmy over here that's pretty loud , Jimmy Barnes that is . "Working class man" at full noise will send anyone deaf :D.

OCR

11-22-2008, 04:35 AM

We have a Jimmy over here that's pretty loud , Jimmy Barnes that is . "Working class man" at full noise will send anyone deaf :D.
Yup... he does have some cords.
Vocal... that is... LOL

Just now listened to a couple on YouTube.... Actually fairly good.

OCR

Wyoming

11-22-2008, 12:04 PM

We have a Jimmy over here that's pretty loud , Jimmy Barnes that is . "Working class man" at full noise will send anyone deaf :D.

I like your Jimmy Barns m8 he is much easer to listen to than the "Screaming Jimmy" for sure. I have friends in Brisbane and Perth are you anywhere near those places?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Jimmy+Barnes&search_type=&aq=-1&oq=

Dug Overburden

11-22-2008, 05:16 PM

Hi there Mr Wyoming,

The scraper you are talking about sounds like a Euclid TSS40. In Euclid model numbers callled A 43LDT-54SH. I have found a picture & some info on pages #50 & 51 in the book Euclid & Terex EARTH-MOVING MACHINES author is Eric c Orleman & published by motorbooks international in 1997.It may be out of print, but this book is must for any fan of Green Iron. This is my favorite book & I have read it from cover to cover 3 times as well as using it for reference many times. I'll see if I can scan the picture & post it.

The picture on page # 28 shows a TSS-40 eq # 384-S being pushed by two TC12's & the picture on page # 51 shows a TSS-40 #387-S on a haul road. Both are painted in Western Contracting Corps yellow. I'm sure you don't remember the Eq#'s, but these photos show the Eq#'s must have been 384-S to 387-S. The pictures show that the rear stacks are curved, are you sure it did not have a 16V71 in the tractor?(In both pictures the machines have no rops)

Here's the info;
The TSS-40 (49LDT-54SH) was a special-order model built for Western Contracting Corp in March 1963. TSS-40 was powered by a GM diesel 16V-71 in the tractor & a GM diesel 8V-71 in the rear scraper unit,with a power output totaling 810 gross horsepower.The scraper was rated at 40 yards struck & 52 yards heaped. Factory records indicate that four TSS-40 units were built for Western.

Dug O.

.-QUOTE=Wyoming;109553]The first scraper I ran was a three axel Euclid ts40 as I recall. It had a V12 71 series Detroit Diesel engine in front and a V8 71 series in the rear. The rear engine had twin stacks that were curved at the top so they pointed at the scraper following.

It was a highball job (as are most) and we often were almost end to end from the cut to the fill and back. The noise from following a screaming Jimmy for 8 or 10 hours that close was unreal even with earplugs, I have a hearing problem today because of that job ouch!

The seat was on a steel post with no ride cushioning other than the seat pad, that is why my back hurts now days! There was a point in time on that job that we loaded under a belt, all we had was a ROP cage and just breathing while loading was a job in itself! The dirt and dust just poured down our shirts into our pants and well you know, it was not a pretty site!

At times we would get to much material loaded and couldn't open the apron in the fill. The only way to get it open was to bounce the pan with the raise lower lever while pumping the apron lever at the same time. More than once I had a hydraulic hose break on me right at my control's and would be sprayed with hot hydraulic fluid, it happened to everyone that was on the job for a long period of time. The hydraulic fluid combined with the dust and by the end of they day I/we didn't even look like people anymore.

Anyway I cant find a picture of one, the closest I have found is shown below. If anyone has a picture of one of these beasts I sure would like to see it.

27110[/QUOTE]

Iron Horse

11-22-2008, 05:40 PM

I like your Jimmy Barns m8 he is much easer to listen to than the "Screaming Jimmy" for sure. I have friends in Brisbane and Perth are you anywhere near those places?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Jimmy+Barnes&search_type=&aq=-1&oq=

G'day Wyoming , i am 220 miles South (towards Sydney) of Brisbane .

Being a 2 stroke , they certainly have a sound of their own . I used to drive an Atkinson with an 892TTA @ 475hp . Man it had some power , back in the 80's it was awsome .

Wyoming

11-22-2008, 05:43 PM

Here's the info;
The TSS-40 (49LDT-54SH) was a special-order model built for Western Contracting Corp in March 1963. TSS-40 was powered by a GM diesel 16V-71 in the tractor & a GM diesel 8V-71 in the rear scraper unit,with a power output totaling 810 gross horsepower.The scraper was rated at 40 yards struck & 52 yards heaped. Factory records indicate that four TSS-40 units were built for Western.

That is some good information Dug thanks I will see if I can get the book! I was working for Western contracting (1966) building I-5 south of Gorman California when I ran it so that fits as well. I cant imagine how nosy it was to see one of these beasts being pushed by two TC12's ouch. If there was only four built that would explain why finding a pic is so difficult.

Wyoming

11-22-2008, 05:52 PM

Being a 2 stroke , they certainly have a sound of their own . I used to drive an Atkinson with an 892TTA @ 475hp . Man it had some power , back in the 80's it was awsome .

Before I started with the Operating Engineers I was a mechanic working for the Allis Chalmers dealership in Bakersfield. They were the dirtiest engine I ever worked on. I am sure it was because they were a two stroke. The dirt was not just dirty oil, it has a very high soot quality to it

657bsplitter

11-23-2008, 03:37 AM

I ran one of caufields ts 24s veryloud high reving the bale was operated by air right now!

alan627b

12-16-2008, 03:40 AM

You guys like Eucs? Screaming Detroits? Check this out!
http://images.google.com/images?q=powerama&q=source%3Alife
Can you imagine the sound, noise and vibration this many road oilers would make gathered together? The EPA would sh*t a brick if they held this today!
I bet the hearing clinics had a heyday!
2 pics show a table of GM related toys. care to guess what they'd be worth today?
Have fun!
Master Life Archive....
http://images.google.com/hosted/life
alan627b

Steve Frazier

12-16-2008, 01:00 PM

Nice find!! It's interesting to reflect on how many of those divisions GM no longer owns.

KMB83

12-16-2008, 10:05 PM

i was on machinery trader and saw that most of the 14B's are located in elmhurst IL, at one dealership. did someone run a bunch of them in the area, or does the dealer REALLY like terex's?

qball

12-18-2008, 03:32 PM

i was on machinery trader and saw that most of the 14B's are located in elmhurst IL, at one dealership. did someone run a bunch of them in the area, or does the dealer REALLY like terex's?

that's harts equipment. they bought a bunch of 14's to repower with john deere engines, but the bottom fell outta that market.

CM1995

12-18-2008, 07:16 PM

In this picture http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=6140c319590db537&q=powerama+source:life&usg=__YSTb7GAFQTDnIZ_WU2LdzhzAbIw=&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpowerama%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den why are the rear tires mounted the opposite direction on that Euclid scraper?:beatsme

JDOFMEMI

12-18-2008, 07:46 PM

CM
directional tires like that are supposed to be mounted "backwards" when they are in a non-driving position, like the drag tires on a scraper, or the steer tires on a motor grader.
The lugs help keep the tire rolling instead of sliding when the mud gets tough. Helps to steer easier when on the front too.

CM1995

12-18-2008, 08:12 PM

Thanks Jerry. You learn something new everyday!;)

KMB83

12-18-2008, 08:18 PM

thanks qball.

what deere plant where they going to put in them?

i guess one green machine species mates well with others....

JDOFMEMI

12-18-2008, 08:49 PM

CM

Thats why I come here, to learn more from others, and share what I know.

Good thread here with the screamin GM's. Nothing like a well tuned 12V-71 to liven up the day!

qball

12-20-2008, 01:22 AM

i am not sure what deere motor harts used but i do know our union's training site has 2 or 3 of them. i hear they are pretty reliable.
and way quieter.
and thats gooder.

Dug Overburden

12-20-2008, 03:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ig1xyfwcwA

Jerry,

To someone who has not heard a well tuned 12V-71T is missing a great Orchestra! These engines can take a lot of abuse.They are dying quickly, thankfully we can hear one anytime we want these days on you tube!. This clip makes me want to get in and mash the throttle:D

I feel the Detriot Diesel is what gave the green machines their own unique personality. They seem wounded with a replacement engine:(

CM

Thats why I come here, to learn more from others, and share what I know.

Good thread here with the screamin GM's. Nothing like a well tuned 12V-71 to liven up the day!

Buckethead

12-20-2008, 03:43 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ig1xyfwcwA

Jerry,

To someone who has not heard a well tuned 12V-71T is missing a great Orchestra! These engines can take a lot of abuse.They are dying quickly, thankfully we can hear one anytime we want these days on you tube!. This clip makes me want to get in and mash the throttle:D

I feel the Detriot Diesel is what gave the green machines their own unique personality. They seem wounded with a replacement engine:(

Dug, you took the words right out of my mouth. One of the things that made me want to work with machines was the sound of the Detroits in Terex and Wabco scrapers. The old Hein-Werner track hoes too.

Dug Overburden

12-20-2008, 03:52 PM

Found this one on you tube,this is a expertly built & tuned 12V71TTA set at 900HP. He talks about "wet stacking" a common thing on Detriots, notice how clean & responive this engine is.

I'll say for lack of better words, this engine sounds like it has a Purpose,not like the wimpy sound of a 6 cylinder in a 657G Vs a nice sounding 657E w/ 3412!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olslXBmHxSY

Dug Overburden

12-20-2008, 04:06 PM

29811

Thomas Durkin job, Roosevelt blvd. Would love to hear this in action!

ldrawls

12-20-2008, 04:09 PM

Cool pic.

ldrawls

12-20-2008, 04:11 PM

Kinda wish I had a place for one... sure could have some fun with it...

wormkiller

12-20-2008, 07:56 PM

Are there any old hands that have run a 110 powered anything? Dad said the early Ts-24 had an un-holy sound. Theres something about a Jimmy. :eek:

992G

12-20-2008, 08:15 PM

Nice find!! It's interesting to reflect on how many of those divisions GM no longer owns.

In April of 2005 GM sold it's Electro-Motive Division which made locomotives. Wonder if they wish they had it back?

Buckethead

12-20-2008, 08:28 PM

Are there any old hands that have run a 110 powered anything? Dad said the early Ts-24 had an un-holy sound. Theres something about a Jimmy. :eek:

I ran a few TS-24s. I am not sure if the back engines were 6-110s or 6-71s
I know they were inline 6s that made a LOT of noise, more than an 8-71.

wormkiller

12-20-2008, 09:43 PM

Thanks Mr bucket, you made me get the book. If you ran a 24 witha inline 6 up front it was fer sure a 6-110.

Buckethead

12-20-2008, 10:13 PM

Thanks Mr bucket, you made me get the book. If you ran a 24 witha inline 6 up front it was fer sure a 6-110.

The 6s were in the back. The front engines (on the ones I ran) were all 12V-71s if I remember correctly. Now that I think about it the rear engines were probably 6-71s. The ones I ran were from the 60s or 70s. I don't know when they stopped making 6-110s. :usa

Meangreen

12-21-2008, 08:19 AM

Are there any old hands that have run a 110 powered anything? Dad said the early Ts-24 had an un-holy sound. Theres something about a Jimmy. :eek:

Yep. I owned a couple of S-18's that had 6-110's in them. 330 horses and the only DETROITS I ever saw that had any low RPM lugging power. They'd get down and make a bla-la-la-la sound out the 6" stack kindda like a MACK or CUMMINS at low RPM's. They'd make a heck of a sound when you got them wound up.

The early TS-24's had 6-110's in the front and 671's in the back. They also made some early TS-18's that had 671's front and rear.....only seen one of those in my lifetime.

The 6-110's were also quite common in work boats and rock quarries.

greeniron

12-21-2008, 04:50 PM

the early TS24 had the 6-110 in the front with the 3 speed trans , 6-71 in the rear with a electric shift trans
how many parts do you want - wrecking one

WabcoMan

12-22-2008, 04:49 PM

Are there any old hands that have run a 110 powered anything? Dad said the early Ts-24 had an un-holy sound. Theres something about a Jimmy. :eek:

Hi Wormkiller,

I've run TS-24's and S-18's with the 6-110 engine.
They sure made a great sound.
Especially the 24's as the rear 6-71 had NO MUFFLER - just the straight pipe (how they were supplied ex factory).
Now that was really something to hear.

The Budd company used to put 2 x 6-110's in their RDC railcars. Santa Fe had a couple.

qball

12-22-2008, 05:02 PM

wormkiller. isn't yer dad deaf now?
think there's a connection?

Dominion 410

12-23-2008, 09:00 PM

Raised on the green iron in a sewer/watermain business.Operated lots of Detroit power in loaders,excavators,compressors.3-53,4-71-4-71t,6-71,6v53,8v71-all could take abuse.The 6-71 was one that really stands out for overall durability imo.It was in a Gardner-Denver 600 compressor powering a GD Air-Trac rock drill.It ingested a lot of rock dust and would just keep on going season after season.The nicest sounding machine was the Link-Belt 5800 excavator with the 8v71(318 hp).In tough digging especially in urban/built up areas it sounded real good.Those dual exhausts would just bark-thats what a job-site should sound like.

RocksnRoses

12-23-2008, 09:22 PM

The nicest sounding machine was the Link-Belt 5800 excavator with the 8v71(318 hp).In tough digging especially in urban/built up areas it sounded real good.Those dual exhausts would just bark-thats what a job-site should sound like.

We had an Atkinson 3800 with an 8v71T in it, and it was a sweet sounding engine and go like the clappers! The previous owner had quite a reputation for being the fastest truck on the road, almost to the point of being dangerous. It was an ex light weight fuel truck with aluminium hubs and was fairly high geared. Our driver cooked the engine when a water hose let go while carting grain, but being a mechanic, he shut it down before it seized and then went on to re-build it with a new kit. The truck is still working today for a tank building crew on a cattle station.
We have a 471 in a Champion 720A grader and it just works away all day, never missing a beat. For their time, the two strokes were a fantastic engine, but with modern technology, they are now yesterday's engine.

Rn'R.

Dug Overburden

12-24-2008, 01:21 AM

Dominion 410,

You have great memories of those 2 strokes, another thing was simplicty. You could hand some tools to someone with minimal experence & they could get it running again. If you needed parts,go to the nearest Napa store. Yes the 8V71 was a great sounding engine in a constant RPM application.

The thing that amazed me was when starting one of those compressors cold,they could instantly go full RPM! Listen to this, it will remind you of the Link-Belt 5800 w/ 8V71
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy7tFN0-WhM

Raised on the green iron in a sewer/watermain business.Operated lots of Detroit power in loaders,excavators,compressors.3-53,4-71-4-71t,6-71,6v53,8v71-all could take abuse.The 6-71 was one that really stands out for overall durability imo.It was in a Gardner-Denver 600 compressor powering a GD Air-Trac rock drill.It ingested a lot of rock dust and would just keep on going season after season.The nicest sounding machine was the Link-Belt 5800 excavator with the 8v71(318 hp).In tough digging especially in urban/built up areas it sounded real good.Those dual exhausts would just bark-thats what a job-site should sound like.

JDOFMEMI

12-24-2008, 10:22 PM

Huh? Whats that? Speak up, I can't hear you.

Dug Overburden

12-24-2008, 11:01 PM

Jerry,

I have talked to many operators/truck drivers with hearing problems.Although truck drivers usually have only one bad ear, the left one!

Then every so often you find an old timer that never wore ear protection with perfect hearing. Go Figure...

Dug

Huh? Whats that? Speak up, I can't hear you.

wormkiller

12-27-2008, 11:56 AM

Yea, Dads mostly deaf but in my family thats a blessing.

KMB83

12-27-2008, 03:07 PM

earlier in this post someone talked about taking out the standard 4-71 engine and putting in a 6-71 on the front. does this require a different tranny? i know nothing about scrapers, but was always told never to add horsepower with out changing the other drive train components. wouldnt this reduce the life of the other components or are they well enough built to withstand that?

Dominion 410

12-28-2008, 08:12 PM

Dug Overburden,

Your right on with simple repairs.Other than servicing and the occasional water or fuel transfer pump they never gave much trouble.The infamous quote from our serviceman back then was"what size do you need?"A handful of basic tools and I believe a 7/16" wrench hook bent to get at the rear bolts on the fuel and water pump.Most times thats all it took to get mobile.
Always used straight #30 oil year round and no block heater back then.Had to pre-heat in the winter to get started-not that the engine would'nt start,just that the oil would'nt flow.Tarp it in,light up the tiger torch and used a steel can usually made from a empty gear lube container with holes cut near the bottom for the torch head.One large hole for the torch,about six more to let air in to keep the torch lit.All the heat up onto the pan,no direct flame.When the oil started to drop readily off the dip-stick,roll it over with the fuel off to make sure the oil pressure guage would start to move up.If it did ,your good to go.Started many machines at -35 with this set-up and no problems.
The only time I ever saw one destroy itself was in the 8v71.The bolt that held the drive gear for the engine oil pump sheared off.This caused the gear to fall off and the pump stopped turning.At 2100 rpm under load, the crank,mains and rods were literally welded together.

Dominion

Hoppy

12-29-2008, 10:48 AM

When I was a little kid in the early 60's, Dad used to take me to watch construction projects and Euclid scrapers were my favorite machines by far. I learned to tell their sound from a mile away. Good times!

Buckethead

12-29-2008, 02:18 PM

Hoppy

12-29-2008, 10:22 PM

Sorry Buckethead, but I don't remember who the contractors were. Age-wise, I was still in the single digits back then. Most of the really good projects were either in northeastern Pennsylvania or around the Binghampton, New York area. There was plenty of highway work in both those areas throughout the 60's.

I had relatives that lived in Kingston, Pennsylvania and I remember that the local Euclid dealer was on the street heading into town, just like any other business. Five and dime, dry cleaner, drugstore, Euclid dealer. Made perfect sense then. Someplace I've still got a few photos of me in the dealer's lot standing on the ladder of a wheel loader.

Well, I've kinda got off the topic here. Anyway, even as a kid I appreciated the sound of a couple of unmuffled Jimmys!

wormkiller

12-29-2008, 11:35 PM

Good memories till I remember the headaches and red eyes. Thanks all for sharing.:spaz

Showpony

01-31-2009, 05:12 PM

If there was as much money spent cleaning up emmissions and improving economy on 2 cycle diesels as there was on 4 cycle maybe they wouldnt be yesterdays engines.
If 2 cycle was such a bad idea, why are most diesel engines over 2000hp 2 cycle?
Is the jimmy a victim of corperate accounting?

Serv

01-31-2009, 11:37 PM

I've been looking at a few terex scrapers to buy for my work. I got pics of one of the ts24's that's a single engine (first two pics) and an older ts14 twin engine (last three pics). The ts14 pictured has the rops removed and off to the side. Evidently that was done for transport. The guy says he'll take 6 grand for the 14 and it's in running and working condition and has radial rubber on three and a high tread bias on the fourth tire. Tires are 29.5x25 BTW. Looks like a great project in my opinion. What do you guys think about the deal on the 14? Are they decent machines in this older style?

There are also 2 ts24 twin engine scrapers on the trading block that I didn't get pics of. Those ts24's are monsters in person. One of his twin engine ones has much larger tires than the rest of them making it look that much larger. I'll get pics of the twins next time I'm out that way. I think they can be had for around 20k dollars or so each.

alan627b

02-01-2009, 02:35 AM

Serv, You might not believe this, but i think I've seen that TS14 when I visited my friend Claney, who lives in Amarillo, last year. We visited a firend of his who had a TS14 on one of his farms. He said a pump was out in the rear, so the rear trans wouldn't push. I think we were about an hour to an hour and a half west of Amarillo. Sure looks like the same machine!
If there was a bunch of other tractors and machinery parked nearby, I''ll bet thats it!
Parked in a field half buried in weeds? Barn/shed nearby, other old iron parked around?
Rear exhaust off? Looked like it had been there awhile?

If this newer scraper in your first 2 pics, has a single engine, it's an S24. May also have been a
TS24 converted to an S24. That's not unheard of. Some folks don't feel the second engine is worth the expense.
S=single engine TS=twin engine.
If you can check out the TS14 and run it around, see how it functions, the price doesn't sound too bad. I know of a few parts sources, should you make the deal. Be careful.
alan627b

alan627b

02-01-2009, 03:37 AM

Well, Serv, either we were west on 40, or south on 85.:beatsme!
I don't pay that close of attention when I'm not driving!
Either way, I wasn't that far away.
Who knew!
alan627b

Oops, looked at a better map, I was further away than I thought!
There is LOT of Texas! Please completely disregard post 63! LOL!

Serv

02-01-2009, 01:06 PM

Thanks for the info alan! Anyway, this ts14 is around the corner of hwy16 and 83 south down in Zapata, TX by the Falcon Dam. It's in the middle of a friend of a friend's ranch. He bought it 5 years ago for the purpose of building 3 tanks then he parked it when he was done. The only thing that kinda worries me about it is he didn't have the exhaust pipes covered for 3 years. we don't get much rain down here so that might not be a huge deal.

I sure would be interested in hearing more about your buddy's machine though (or anything else you might know of). I need to buy some more open bowl scrapers pretty quick as I started to use them for loading and transporting my tire shreds in place of the walking floor and they fill up pretty quick. Not to mention I'm opening up a second reclamation pit about 200 miles away from me and will be needing some for that very soon.

Yeah, the s24 in the pics is single engine and the guy owns 2 ts24's that I checked out the other day. What's with the reservoir in the back of the s24? at first glance I thought it was an engine but when I saw his ts24's I realized that one was a single engine.

What other kind of machine would you recommend? you can pm me if you'd like to avoid hijacking here. I see there are about ten 657's for sale on machinerytrader for 50k each in california. I love the capacity of those because bigger is definitely better in this case.

alan627b

02-01-2009, 10:22 PM

Hi Serv. I sent a message to my friend Claney, just to see if that machine was the same one, although I doubt it is. I'll let you know.
It's hard to recommend a scraper, until I know what you have in mind to do with it, and what kind of yardage you have to move.
If bigger is better, you could probably get a smoking deal on 657's, since the market is soft and California contractors are facing some stiff emissions standards. They either have to buy newer machines or spend some serious coin to put newer model engines in those old 657's. Shipping them from CA to Texas would probably cost some serious money! You need a BIG lowboy with lots of axles, or break them down then re-assemble them. And I'd imagine a machine that big will use a lot of fuel in a typical shift.
Scrapers in the 14-20 yard class, like a cat 621/627B or TS14, or moving up to the 26-30 yard class, like the cat 631/637 or S24/TS24, would probably be a better bet.
If you can use an elevating scraper, you'd be after the Cat 623 or 633. I'm not sure what the Terex equal is.
I'd think about standardizing on one brand, it would make parts inventory easier.
Cat has good parts availability even on older models, and a great dealer network. But then again, Terex scrapers use either Detroit Diesels or Cummins engines depending on age, and Allison automatics. I suppose it depends on where you are how good the product support is.
I tend to lean towards Cat, that's what I have experience with. Others may cheerlead for Euclid/Terex. I think you could probably do OK with either, just check them out very carefully.
You can check out what they sell for on Machinerytrader.com
As far as the other brands, IH(junk), Allis Chalmers or Fiat Allis, or Clark/Michigan scrapers, I think I'd steer clear of any of them, especially the larger models, because I don't think they have good product support anymore. You don't want an orphan for a production machine.

My vote would be
Twin engines, if they are going to load themselves. Push pull a plus.
1) Cat 621/627 B model, still decent parts availability, not as complicated as the later models. Less electronics. If you were tempted to get an A model, at least get a late serial number one with the cushion hitch, unless haul speed isn't important. 15S series on the B, all the better improvements.Try to get ones with the bigger 33.25X29 tires, over the 29.5X29, superior in most situations, imperative in mud. Might not be a biggee in Texas! Plus, they ride better with the taller rubber.
2) Terex TS14 or S24/TS24, preferably a B model like you pictured. The older models of those are really getting up there in age nowadays. If you can get a bunch cheap, pick the best to use and have a couple around to use for parts. The only big faults I've heard about these is, air shifted (plastic lines to break) no power down on the ejector, they have a hydraulic lift but still have a cable link. Deafness due to those 2 stroke Detroits!
) Maybe some more 290M or 830B's, they can be used for other things when not pulling scrapers. If you can find them close.
Keep me informed, I'd like to hear how it turns out.

The S24 you pictured, with the wierd tank on the back...I'll bet it used to be a twin engine, had it removed, and they mounted the fuel tank back there.Maybe an extra or larger one. A guy in Kansas City has a fleet of S24B's and converted TS24B's, and they did the same thing. I think they have also put bigger front engines inthem to make up for getting rid of the rear engines. They also use pushcats. If the rear wheels still have planetaries in them, it's been converted.

Alan627b

alan627b

02-04-2009, 05:47 PM

Serv, seems like the scraper my friend and I looked at is one of the earlier series TS24's, styled just like the TS14 in your pic.
"The Euc scraper we looked at was in Friona ( 65 miles southwest of Amarillo.) Also it is a TS 24 instead of a 14." quoted from Claneys message to me. I've asked him if it's for sale, hopefully he'll let me know.
Alan
Friona TX http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Friona&state=TX

JDOFMEMI

02-04-2009, 06:25 PM

Serv

The tank on the back of the S-24B is the fuel tank. It is originally a single engine, not a converted twin. The rear wheels are part of the givaway. There would be planetaries if they started out as twins.
On the Terex, the "B" models have down pressure, and the ejectors are a push plate like a Cat, instead of the old folding floor design.

Just thought I would clear that up.

scraperboy222

02-11-2009, 03:10 AM

nothing like a 2 stroke at full noise

stuart olson

01-22-2010, 10:28 PM

nothin like playin with GM/EMD 2 strokes in locomotives 16V-567 spoolin up at full load is an experience not to forget and one that is getting rarer all the time though they are still making new locomotives with 710 series motors in them and those puppies will make california happy:cool2

JASON M

02-03-2010, 07:11 PM

Hey Serv. If it's tire chips that you are handling, I can offer advice and help. We were involved in tire shredding also. I probably have eqt better suited for your needs also, and for sale, CHEAP.
I don't know how far you are having to transport this very lite-wt material (under 800 lbs/ CY) and its consistency, but I do know that tire chips are extremely light. I've got some older Reynolds and Prime Pull-Pans that have foam-filled tires (NO FLATS!) Lt-wt material can be hauled with Lt-wt eqt.
If you're having to top-load from a walking floor hopper, you don't want a conventional scraper. Too much risk of fire, too small a target for loading, and too much operating expense. I'd use tractor-towed pull pans......... as inexpensive as I could buy 'em. Done it both ways already, cleaning up the old Gibson Tire Site in Atlanta, Tx. I'm sure that you've heard of it!
I'm no longer in the scrap tire business, but have lots of experience to share, and it's free. PM me if you like or open it up to discussion, but anyway you choose, I can help you.