new Deere 'G" series

[plowking740]

Thanks to 9420 pullpan for posting a picture of the new "G" series grader. in the "official Conexpo 2008 thread"

Im not sure if this is the model will have the new controls mentioned in other posts, but you can see that they have made some changes to the frame for sure. the front is no longer sloped, but is straight like a Cat grader, hopefully allowing higher blade lift. I also noticed the back end is a little longer and the Ripper/scarifier is set back a little more from the back end of the grader, and it dosent look like the grill extends below the line of the ripper. (which is a good thing. I have pulled mud into the grill before using the scarifer)

it still looks like the exaust pipe still will blow into your face while fueling your machine though. ( I know, I know, it should be shut off to refuel:))

[GRANlTE]

Actually it looks like they offer ground level fueling with the new "G".

[CAT140H]

Anyone have any pictures of the new G series Deere grader? Please post them.
Thanks

[farm_boy]

Here is one of the 872G leaving the show.

[plowking740]

here is another picture. thanks again Pullpan.

[Grader4me]

Nice..very nice...

[snowycuda]

G series is not new, correct? They have been out since 2006. Anyone ever install a dealer installed kit on one of these? If so I may have written it.

[Tigerotor77W]

No... G-series hasn't been released yet. (They *look* like the D-series, which has been out for a couple of years, but have some major improvements/changes.)

[snowycuda]

You are right my bad. I have been away from Deere for awhile. I wrote all the Installation Instructions for the D series graders when they were released back in 06.

[Motor Grader]

Thanks to 9420 pullpan for posting a picture of the new "G" series grader. in the "official Conexpo 2008 thread"

Im not sure if this is the model will have the new controls mentioned in other posts, but you can see that they have made some changes to the frame for sure. the front is no longer sloped, but is straight like a Cat grader, hopefully allowing higher blade lift. I also noticed the back end is a little longer and the Ripper/scarifier is set back a little more from the back end of the grader, and it dosent look like the grill extends below the line of the ripper. (which is a good thing. I have pulled mud into the grill before using the scarifer)

it still looks like the exaust pipe still will blow into your face while fueling your machine though. ( I know, I know, it should be shut off to refuel:))

I didn't get a good chance to see the new G, but we did see Deere's answer to the joystick question. They basically placed 4 small levers on each arm rest and installed a very small steering wheel. To me it looked like a good transition from conventional levers to electric "fly by wire" controls. With this setup I think they will get a higher approval from the veteran operators and not just from the Playstation generation. We saw this in the simulator but didn’t get a chance to sit in the cab. Assume it was the same. I heard rumor the engine access panels were padlocked down tight. Possible prototype Tier 4 emissions engine installed or a hybrid of some sort?????????? I know as soon as the show was over that they got it out pretty quick.

[JDMGrading]

Motor Grader, James River equipment off of stateville road has a new 872G sitting in the yard, and they acctually welcome people to come check out the equipment.

[edge600]

funny that you mention that snowycuda - as I picked up where you left off on D grader instructions.....

[snowycuda]

Edge, Are you still working there?

[edge600]

nope - ive moved on to the ag division.

[ovrszd]

I don't think the frame change at the front will allow greater blade height. It appears that the blade lift area is the same as my D model.

I was curious about the changes to the frame just behind the cab? It appears they have moved the batteries and redesigned the center pivot area?? Hard to tell from the pics. It's definitely a little longer at the rear so maybe the batteries are under there somewhere. Otherwise it appears the cab and engine area are the same as the D model.

We just got our new D. We trade every 4 years so hopefully they'll have the bugs worked out of this model before we get one.

[Countryboy]

Welcome to Heavy Equipment Forums ovrszd! :drinkup

[ovrszd]

I don't have a picture of our 770D from the same angle as the picture of the G model but it's good enough to make some visual comparisons.

[Grader4me]

Welcome to the forum ovrszd. What do you think of the front scarfiers/rippers or have you used them?

[ovrszd]

Welcome to the forum ovrszd. What do you think of the front scarfiers/rippers or have you used them?


Let me first clarify what I do with a grader. I maintain 48 miles of crushed limestone roads. For taking out potholes, the scarifier works great. Or if I need to replace a road culvert, I rip up the gravel roadbed and save it to put back on top once done. Lastly, our snowplow attaches using the scarifier toolbar. Remove the teeth, slide the toolbar into the plow saddle, drop two pins behind the bar and it's installed. Takes two minutes to install or drop the plow. Also allows the plow to be lifted higher than the old Cat style three point hitch system. It's a great attachment that gets a lot of use.

[Grader4me]

I've used both styles of scarfiers. I prefer the kind that is mounted behind the front wheels. I know that I'm getting off topic here, but so you have any pictures of the plow hook up that you described? Thanks in advance.

[roadrunner]

ovrszd;
Nice to have another grader man operator here, especially doing road maintenence!Keep posting and about your machine and experiences!I
I love to learn new tricks and get new ideas!Thanks!
Nice 770D, I demoed a 872D and thought it was pretty nice!

[ovrszd]

I'll get some pictures of the plow hookup this evening. I think the center mounted scarifier would possibly be easier to use when ripping a roadbed. Might be easier to control depth. The downside to me would be that it's in the way when pushing big loads of dirt or when trying to get the blade into the bank position or maybe when trying to clean ditches?? When I rotate or change out my cutting edges I do it with the blade parallel alongside the machine using the bank position. Not sure I could get it there with a mid-mount scarifier?? Maybe someone that uses that type could chime in. For us though, we can't give up the plow mounting capability of the front mounted unit.

[Grader4me]

I'll get some pictures of the plow hookup this evening. I think the center mounted scarifier would possibly be easier to use when ripping a roadbed. Might be easier to control depth. The downside to me would be that it's in the way when pushing big loads of dirt or when trying to get the blade into the bank position or maybe when trying to clean ditches?? When I rotate or change out my cutting edges I do it with the blade parallel alongside the machine using the bank position. Not sure I could get it there with a mid-mount scarifier?? Maybe someone that uses that type could chime in. For us though, we can't give up the plow mounting capability of the front mounted unit.

I like the behind the front wheel scarfiers as it is easier to control depth as you can see what they are doing. One thing I used them for was ripping up road bed surfaces consisting of old asphalt etc. The disadvantage of the front mounted ones for this task is that they are hard to see, and as the asphalt chunks roll off the front wheels would ride up on the material. I've used this type before as previously stated. As a matter of fact it was on a John Deere.
I also use the scarfiers when preparing a road for chipseal. This means giving the whole road a light ripping from side to side so that the potholes are cut out and I have lots of material to shape my road.
Big loads of dirt? Guess it would depend on what you mean and how you are leveling/moving it. I've really never had any problem with them being in the way when ditching. Sometimes material if damp would gather up around them, but as soon I lightened up on the cut it would roll off.
I've done plenty of high bank cutting and always swing my moldboard up and around to change blades. No problem:beatsme
Everyone has their preferences and for what you do with a grader the front scarfiers would be perfect, but for what I do or should say used to do, the other type worked better.

[ovrszd]

I like the behind the front wheel scarfiers as it is easier to control depth as you can see what they are doing. One thing I used them for was ripping up road bed surfaces consisting of old asphalt etc. The disadvantage of the front mounted ones for this task is that they are hard to see, and as the asphalt chunks roll off the front wheels would ride up on the material. I've used this type before as previously stated. As a matter of fact it was on a John Deere.
I also use the scarfiers when preparing a road for chipseal. This means giving the whole road a light ripping from side to side so that the potholes are cut out and I have lots of material to shape my road.
Big loads of dirt? Guess it would depend on what you mean and how you are leveling/moving it. I've really never had any problem with them being in the way when ditching. Sometimes material if damp would gather up around them, but as soon I lightened up on the cut it would roll off.
I've done plenty of high bank cutting and always swing my moldboard up and around to change blades. No problem:beatsme
Everyone has their preferences and for what you do with a grader the front scarfiers would be perfect, but for what I do or should say used to do, the other type worked better.

Yep, I totally understand. All of the things you like about the mid mounted scarifier is just what I expected. I think it would be easier to cut rip precisely.
As I stated by the question mark, I was unsure about them being in the way.
I'm not the type to say my way is the only way. I'm on here to learn and exchange ideas.
Kinda reminds me of one time years ago a guy asked me how I dig a ditch?? I just stood there stammering, what do you say to a question like that?? Finally I set some standards for what I call a ditch and then started trying to explain my procedures. After a minute I began to see that glazed over look in his eyes. He probably thought I was an idiot. But I'll bet if you look him up now and ask him the same question he would be just as perplexed about an answer..... Heheheheheh.
That's why I like forums. After you sort thru the BS, you get some good pointers. Mostly on things to NOT do. Heheheheh.

[euclid]

Nice looking machine

[Grader4me]

Kinda reminds me of one time years ago a guy asked me how I dig a ditch?? I just stood there stammering, what do you say to a question like that?? Finally I set some standards for what I call a ditch and then started trying to explain my procedures. After a minute I began to see that glazed over look in his eyes. He probably thought I was an idiot. But I'll bet if you look him up now and ask him the same question he would be just as perplexed about an answer..... Heheheheheh.
That's why I like forums. After you sort thru the BS, you get some good pointers. Mostly on things to NOT do. Heheheheh.

Yeah, I've seen that glazed over look many times myself. :) The main reason that I like this forum is that there is minimal BS, and you get good pointers from very knowledgeable operators. I learn something new every time that I visit. ;)

[euclid]

Had there been this type of forum around 25 years ago when I was operating equipment I could have learned heeps about techiques of different operators.
I operated a 12 series cat with pto actuated controls and I'm sure the newer rigs are so much more use friendly and touchy.

[Grader4me]

I operated a 12 series cat with pto actuated controls and I'm sure the newer rigs are so much more use friendly and touchy.

Oh Yeahhhhh... state of the art stuff now. Welcome to the forum!

[euclid]

thank you, once I get my degree completed I'm going to look at getting a P/T job running equipment. I did operate a Komatsu loader a few years ago and I was blown away at the ergonomics in the cab. Everything was computer operated for max efficiency. Considering I hadn't ran a loader in 10 years I wasn't tired at the end of the day. Yes I know off topic but glad to be here.
:usa

[ovrszd]

Had there been this type of forum around 25 years ago when I was operating equipment I could have learned heeps about techiques of different operators.
I operated a 12 series cat with pto actuated controls and I'm sure the newer rigs are so much more use friendly and touchy.

I started in an old 12 series too. The gear drive controls were so worn out the lift levers would ratchet in your hands if you tried to push down on the blade too hard. At the end of the day my palms hurt and my hips were killing me from standing all day. That was back when I was a young man, today I wouldn't last very long at all.

I've been running a grader for twenty years and still learn new techniques. A friend of mine is 80 and he is still learning after 40 years of being an operator. He's not the smoothest on a curve or at a bridge, but he's still a decent operator. I remember 15 years ago we had gotten a new Deere with the short cab. You couldn't stand up and run it. He had a fit!!!! No way in "H" you can run a grader sitting down!!! He was running a Champion then. Now he runs a 670CH Deere with short cab. I asked him after a big snow this winter if he still missed standing up. His face turned red and he said no way!!! Heheheheh. 80 years old and still learning!!!! :)

[Bellboy]

Well, I must say that the moment I heard there was a new grader from JD, I had to check it out. I couldn't believe it, and even though i hadn't even seen it yet, I fell in love. I am hooked on the idea of the new control layout, not so much the electronics, but the 'G' series looks a whole lot better and more sophisticated than the 'D' series.

My million dollar question is if JD has released the 'G' series machines yet or not?

[ovrszd]

Well, I must say that the moment I heard there was a new grader from JD, I had to check it out. I couldn't believe it, and even though i hadn't even seen it yet, I fell in love. I am hooked on the idea of the new control layout, not so much the electronics, but the 'G' series looks a whole lot better and more sophisticated than the 'D' series.

My million dollar question is if JD has released the 'G' series machines yet or not?

Yeah I'm interested in that as well. I'll bug our salesman again for an update.

As to the changes, I'm anxious about the controls. Gotta see it and run it first.

As for cosmetics. I'm disappointed in the high backbone design. Cat's M has that design and has horrible front visibility. The backbone change caused changes in the cab design that had negative impact for me. There's also no gain in blade movement by it. Not sure what it was about beyond just trying to create a new look.

But then, I thought the same thing about using dark grey paint. After running our D model at night pushing snow I wonder why they didn't do that earlier. Almost no glare off the dark paint versus yellow paint. Not positive that Deere was thinking about that but if they weren't they sure got lucky in their color choice. Leaving the moldboard yellow while under a grey table was another stroke of luck if not deliberately designed. The moldboard is very easy to see without being distracted by a bright colored table or cylinders. :)

[J.BobbyM]

Actually it looks like they offer ground level fueling with the new "G".
Ground level fueling is now standard on the G series

[J.BobbyM]

Well, I must say that the moment I heard there was a new grader from JD, I had to check it out. I couldn't believe it, and even though i hadn't even seen it yet, I fell in love. I am hooked on the idea of the new control layout, not so much the electronics, but the 'G' series looks a whole lot better and more sophisticated than the 'D' series.

My million dollar question is if JD has released the 'G' series machines yet or not?
Conventional controls should start shipping late February, GradePro (electric/hyd) 1 mo later. Stay tuned.

[G Model]

[QUOTE=J.BobbyM;140550]Conventional controls should start shipping late February, GradePro (electric/hyd) 1 mo later. Stay tuned.[/QUOTE

This is true. I have seen them up close and even ran one they are fine.

772G Grade Pro

[Bellboy]

Well, I must say that the moment I heard there was a new grader from JD, I had to check it out. I couldn't believe it, and even though i hadn't even seen it yet, I fell in love. I am hooked on the idea of the new control layout, not so much the electronics, but the 'G' series looks a whole lot better and more sophisticated than the 'D' series.

My million dollar question is if JD has released the 'G' series machines yet or not?

Well, they can't be too far from our greedy, itching hands if the JD websites is parading them around. I checked it today, and there, in their little clip on the construction home page was a thing on the new g series, and all their options. I can't wait to get them in SA! We have the Royal Agricultural Show coming up in 13 weeks time, and just like Bell used it 2 years ago to launch the j series TLBs, I have a feeling that they will again use it as their launch pad. And I am damn certain that it is going to be very popular. My next question is, when is the 1:50 one coming out?

[DavidLevin]

Another picture can be viewed here: http://www.murphytractor.com/uploads/772G1.jpg

[Tigerotor77W]

There's preliminary information on the G-series on the Deere website now.

[G Model]

As someone who has seem them up close and had the chance to run some of them I can say I am impressed. Also I have never seen a more excited group of guys as I have at Deere about this grader. I think they finally were able to do some of the things they have wanted to do for a long long time. This new series coupled with reservations some have and have shared about the M series it seems they are very confident they are on the right track.

[Bellboy]

It's like I said on another thread, the other manufacturers, like JD, and possibly Volvo, but not yet, are going to hold back, watching and tearing the M series' problems apart, until they have a machine that is as good as cat's but with fewer errors and probably of better quality. Cat had their grace time to get their kinks out the hoses, but they have let their M series edge slip to John Deere, meaning that they can fight back with a similar machine, probably favoured more because of it's options. I do commend cat for the M series, and the wave of fun we've all had on the forums, but the m series edge is slowly wanning. perhaps I am a bit biased, but hey, the proof is in the pudding.

[hvy 1ton]

Another picture can be viewed here: http://www.murphytractor.com/uploads/772G1.jpg

You being in New York, its kinda funny that you find the picture on the dealers website 15 mins from me.

[I AM IRONMAN]

I just sold a new 772G to a county that had always used Cat Motor Graders, they currently have 2-140G's and 3-140H's. They cover about 1000 miles of county road and didn't feel comfortable traveling without a steering wheel. These operators all have from 10 to 30 years experience running motor graders. Volvo was also included in the decision. They tried the Volvo 946 out for about 15 to 20 hours. They ran the Deere for about 15 hours total. The senior operator preferred the Deere to all the other machines. The new Volvo and Deere were both run under heavy snow conditions. The Volvo 6 wheel drive doesn't kick in until the rear wheels have turned a couple of revolutions, which can get you stuck in deep snow or turning around in deep snow.
With the Deere you can get it with the standard controls on the steering column or pilot controls on the armrests with a steering wheel that can be used at any time. Very comfortable!
People seem to prefer using the steering wheel while roading and winging snow, or for backing the machine up. There is also a finger control to steer with too, but the wheel overrides the finger tip control. So you can use either one.
The "G" Series is one of the best machines that Deere has ever built in my opinion.

[CAT140H]

Hi IRONMAN
Why don't you post a couple pictures of the cab?
On the Jhon Deere site they don't say much about the grader or post any good pictures about the cab or the new control system. I wonder why?

[I AM IRONMAN]

I'll see if I can put a few on here. It seems like Deere is always behind on getting liturature out or pictures on the web site.

[hvy 1ton]

somebody posted a link to deere's industry mag that had an article about the G series and a few other pieces of equipment. It had quite a few pics and some good info, if a little biased.

[I AM IRONMAN]

Here's a good link from a Const. industry Magazine.

http://www.constructionequipment.com/article/CA6642886.html

Here's another good link

http://www.deere.com/en_US/cfd/construction/deere_const/media/dmag/DMAG143CU.pdf

[9420pullpan]

I tell you what after spending some time around the M Series. This Deere G Series is really going to bring some new innovations into the motor grader world. I love running graders. Just a few months ago I would have chosen an M series but after watching both of those videos I would love an opportunity to run one of these new G series. I do like how the mocked the Cat frame in the front, is there a specific reason why they changed it?

We need to find out where some of these machines are... i will keep my eyes peeled

[roadrunner]

I tried out the Deere simulator a few weeks a go and I am very impressed.They had a real cab from the G with all black windows and a flat screen to watch in the windshield.
It was comfortable and very easy to learn on because the old style lever pattern is exactly the same for the left and right side new controls.All the motions were the same as if you were operating an older grader.When I was steering with the lever , I quickly pulled back the steering wheel and felt totally in control again.Smart move DEERE!!:D
The Cross slope feature is awesome and very easy to set up on the large viewing screen on the steering column.On this column you also have all your guages and other warning alarms, almost like a small laptop right in front of you.
Deere has really put alot of nice features on this new machine and I think is going to pay off very nicely for them.I was talking to some of the rep's that helped design and test the G, and it was so refreshing having someone on the same page as yourself when asking questions about their new machine.Especially things like operating technique's in which only us operators would understand!

So now I will tell you about the Cat M simulator.
So I walked about 100 feet down the isle and tried out the Cat.What a difference it was, it was really hard to pick up over the Deere because all the left side functions on an older grader wre all mixed up with the right side functions.Why could they have not made the same functions on the left lever the same on the left joystick and same for the right? The buttons and triggers on the sticks wre spaced so far a part that you had to almost move your hand up and down and side to side, and twist and so on!!!
Not very operator friendly!
I have tried just about every joystick there is and this one is very uncomfortable.(Just about as bad as the palm-style joysticks with finger keypads in a Timberjack Harvestor.)

I also stood and watched alot of experienced Cat M operator's try the simulator out and were telling the Cat rep's the problem's they were having with their own machines and all thay got wre responses like----Well this is the first I have heard of that problem, it must be just your machine!---I really don't think that is what's wrong,nobody else is having that problem!-----Well you must not be doing it right, you have to move the joystick for steering different so it can sense what you want it to do?
Try telling those remarks to a 20-30 year plus operator!I cornered a few of the Cat operator after watching them on the simulator(when they were trying to explain their problems to the rep's) and they wre not very happy at all with their machine's.And nobody I talked to could snowplow at wide open speeds.Just not enough control they said!
Deere has did alot of nice features and improvements, and I think they are going to do well with their new machine.And yes this is coming from a Volvo guy!:confused:

My review is Deere G----:notworthy:D
Cat M-------:Pointhead:(

roadrunner...

[I AM IRONMAN]

Thanks for the responses guys!
I love working with my customers that are very experenced like yourselves. I can run the equipment, but I have not had the time in the seat like you guys have had.
Most of the guys I work with started with 12F's or 140G's and worked their way through all the new models as they came along. I think you'll be seeing these machines around if there is a Deere dealer near you, and most of the dealers would like to have you take a drive!

[G Model]

Got a new Deere G Model we are picking up off a Job and I have a demo setup with one of my biggest accounts. I will try to get some good pictures to post.

[I AM IRONMAN]

Good Luck on that Demo, G Model!
I'm sure your customer is going to love the machine.
Please Keep us informed

[G Model]

several inches of rain today, Machine has not moved since we dropped it off.
Hopefully better weather monday.

[Alberta]

several inches of rain today, Machine has not moved since we dropped it off.
Hopefully better weather monday.

Send it my way...still lots of snow to plow. Our 14Ms could use the help..:laugh:waving

[G Model]

Still wet here but did manage to get the blade in the dirt.
I know these pictures are not as majestic as Randys but I just dont have the Backdrop he has to work with. And the fact he takes awesome pictures.38296

[Tigerotor77W]

Still wet here but did manage to get the blade in the dirt.
I know these pictures are not as majestic as Randys but I just dont have the Backdrop he has to work with. And the fact he takes awesome pictures.

Not gonna lie. I was about to ask what you were doing posting Cat motor grader pictures in this thread...

Not that it's a bad thing; it's just the first reaction I had. ***

[Randy Krieg]

Scott
The City of Redoubt bought a new Deere G Series, but I heard the electronic governor shorted out causing the engine to over rev and blow up!!!! Not Good...:cool:

[Randy Krieg]

I just couldn't resist a little humor!!! It is a good looking grader, but that front axle geometry Hmmmmm? :)

[RonG]

April 1st was yesterday:).Ron G

[G Model]

Here is a little video I shot of the 670G

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPFix7zwlH4 (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPFix7zwlH4)

Randy, as far as the front end all I can tell you is its an all wheel drive front end without the hydraulic components. Its probably a cost saving thing only having to make one front axle while getting the benefit of a stronger axle and more reliability with tapered roller bearings top and bottom, and with the AWD's its been bullet proof as far as I know.

Enjoy, Scott

[Bellboy]

Ooh, I want one. I must say, the Mo Nesbitt fellow did contradict himself just a little, but I am so impressed with it, I just cannot wait for Bell to start bringing them in.

[G Model]

Maybe this link will work

670G Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPFix7zwlH4

[ncbschzzt]

No, that doesn't sound right. I would double check the source.

Scott
The City of Redoubt bought a new Deere G Series, but I heard the electronic governor shorted out causing the engine to over rev and blow up!!!! Not Good...:cool:

[CAT140H]

I know a Rural Municipalty that just got there JD 770G yesterday. They were going to try it out today. They got the one with regular controls. I guess scared to get the new stick type controls and steering. We'll see what they thing of it once they start running it full time.
Will report at a later date.

[I AM IRONMAN]

How do they like it Cat 140H?
Or have they had a chance to really try it out?

[CAT140H]

They were going to try it out yesterday. Haven't talked to anyone after that.

[Right Wing]

I have some nice photos of a Snow Wing installed on one of the new G-Series Deere's. If I could figure out how to attach to these posts, I'd attach them for reference.

[Right Wing]

Finally tracked down that wing photo. If you'd like to see some more, contact me at mybadgerone@gmail.com and I'll forward them.

[Madcanadian]

Here is a pic of the 872D, a little easier to compare.

[G Model]

Thanks for posting the pictures guys. I think you can now have alot more info on Deere's website about the new models.

thanks
Scott

[G Model]

Here is a link. There's fianally even a brouchure.



http://www.deere.com/en_US/cfd/construction/deere_const/motorgraders/670g_360.html (http://deere.com/en_US/cfd/construction/deere_const/motorgraders/670g_360.html)

[CAT140H]

A report on the new JD 770G that a RM bought a couple weeks ago.
They say it seems to have the power and should get even better as they put more hours on.
One thing that they said was that there was a lot of rattles inside the cab and it was very annoying. The levers rattled the worse of all the rattles.
Also there was a annoying whine in the tranmission or rear end when in in the higher gears. They said it was even louder then the other 770CH Deere that they traded in
I guess there is no perfect grader.
I'll report more as I find out.

[Right Wing]

The first G-Series grader I saw operating had just the opposite complaint from the operator. He got hung up in a snowbank and thought he had killed the machine. So he ground on the starter because it was so quiet in the cab, he couldn't tell it was still running. I doubt there's much rattling of the standard levers and controls and the joystick version is all contained in the seat armrests, so I don't see much rattling around happening there, either.

[CAT140H]

This one has the standard levers and he said that the levers were one of the things that were really rattling. I quess they should get the service man out.

[ovrszd]

This one has the standard levers and he said that the levers were one of the things that were really rattling. I quess they should get the service man out.

That is odd. My D model has no rattles in the levers. I did notice the rack seems to have a little more movement than our previous C model but no rattles.

As to powertrain noise, I agree with the earlier post. Can't rely on hearing to monitor engine speed. I can only feel rpms slightly in the seat, the cab is extremely quiet. I know they revamped the transmission in the G model. Maybe that has created some high speed whine?? The D certainly doesn't have that. Smoothest transmission on the market I believe.