What is the best pull pan

[jasonv]

I have pulled the JD 1810e and the jd 2112e and a humdinger
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[9420pullpan]

i have @ 3000 hrs with 9420,9520's and i think the new Cat MT900B with 570 hp or the new 9630 with 530hp would be the way to go but with E-ject pans they are a simple design with all cat edges. i think their tracked version is the best
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here is the link to the websites

http://www.ejectsystems.com/

http://www.deere.com/en_US/cfd/construction/deere_const/scraper_tractors/index.html

http://www.challenger-ag.com/agco/Challenger/ChallengerNA/WheeledTractors/MT900B.htm

[jasonv]

The only problem whit tracks in my experience on steep slopes the tracks come off. How many yards do the e-ject hold. And can you put 2 or 3 togther. Thanks for the help.

Jason

[9420pullpan]

well here on the east we can get into alot more soft underfoot conditions especially in the winter months. but down in texas i can see where tires would be better in that appplication. i think e-ject has 17 and 22 yard bowls. im not sure if e-ject has an accumulator on the lift circuit but i know reynolds has one.

are you doing some reseach for a company or personal knowledge

[jasonv]

The company i was warking for sold out to some one. And they are going to move the equipment up north. Some of the supervisers are trying to get a company togather. And we are trying to get the best so we do not have as much repar cost. Thanks for all the help.

Jason

[Mass-X]

The best pans out there have a C18 powered tractor in front with a C15 powered motor right behind the can. They work best in pairs, and say “657G” on the side.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

When pull-pans first started entering the mass grading sector of the industry, I was very intrigued and followed their progress closely. I was working as a Grading Superintendent on one of the largest fleets of 657’s in the country, and really was curious how this new method of dirt moving was going to pan out (no pun intended).

I got the opportunity to test out numerous different pan styles and design while the contractor I was working for demo’d them. John Deere, Miskin’s, Icon’s and Reynolds all saw duty with various pull tractors. I have never been around E-ject’s scrapers though.

The carry-all style is completely worthless. And that’s from having tried them in numerous different types of material. I’ve yet to see a carry-all style scraper do something that impressed me.

Miskin’s and John Deere’s were the best two brands of pans, with John Deere having a little better reliability.

The big downside to the John Deere ejector scrapers is the complexity of the design makes them difficult to work on and maintain. The way the hydraulics are situated, with the hoses coming in and out of the cylinders/rams, often you can see hydraulic fluid leaking out, but you can’t tell where/what without some degree of disassembly. You then call the dealer, but can’t tell them exactly what part is leaking, they send out a service technician who may or may not have brought the right parts. They then down the machine for a while, another trip back to the dealer to get the parts, some more time with the mechanic, and then your pan is back up and running.

Needless to say, the tractor pulling the pans is FAR more important the pan itself. And 9420’s right on, the more power the better.

I’ve got a 9520 with two 1810E’s on a job right now and every time I watch that thing I get frustrated. It is cheap, but it’s REALLY SLOW. The material is a light powder dirt, no rocks at all (proctor: 105 @ 9%) so it’s ideal pull-pan material. But even in these ideal conditions the 9520 is slow to load, slow to accelerate, and just all around slow. I’m just not impressed with its performance. A 623G would smoke the thing.

The big 2112E scrapers that John Deere makes are great pans, but I’ve yet to see a tractor pulling them that really made you take notice. Due to their size anything under 500hp is a joke, and there’s not a whole lot of options for more power right now.

The 9620/9630, wheel and track versions are a little better. But the only time I’ve seen them really produce with 2112E’s is when they’re been cutting going to down some type of grade. On a flat cut, even a little 623G would out produce them due to increase load and cycle times.

The tracked machines do a little better in the cut as far as maintaining traction and overall faster loading times, but they’re slow on the haul/fill.

The Case Quadtrack is an impressive pull tractor, but slow. It was very consistent in the cut as far as minimizing track slip. The machine I was around, on a demo, had about 2500 hours on it and was beginning to have undercarriage problems thought (in the idlers) which makes me wonder about the machines true abilities in mass grading operations from a reliability standpoint.

The Challenger MT875’s are pretty decent at pulling twin pans, but they’re slow when pulling triples. And triples really seem to try them at getting speed while grabbing gears coming out of the cut.

So right now, I think John Deere’s 9630 scraper special with a pair of 1810E’s are the best wheeled scraper/tractor combo.

The reason I lean towards the smaller pair of scrapers coupled with the 9630 (530hp) is due to the increased cycle times with the slightly smaller scrapers. With the big 2112E’s, you add 5-15 seconds per load, and cut acceleration time in half. With the smaller scrapers, the 9630 can really muscle them and keep speed up. Nowhere near as fast as a traditional scraper, but still a good way to move material cheaply.

The Challenger MT875B with a pair of 2112E’s is best as far as tracked tractor/scraper combos are concerned. The relatively slow(er) speeds of the rubber tracked machines negate the benefits of coupling smaller pans with bigger tractors, and therefore you really benefit from the increased payload per cycle with the larger pans.

When CAT/Challenger introduced the MT975B at AgExpo, my first thought was that I really wanted to see that thing with a pair of 20 yard scrapers in tow. I’ve yet to, but maybe next time there’s an inkling to put pull-pans up against real scrapers again, I’ll get to put one in the dirt.

I’ve been a scraper man for a while, and love moving huge amounts of dirt with a big fleet of scrapers. And I’ve tried to be open minded with the pull pans but they’ve yet to really win me over.

In the right applications they’re unbeatable. But that window of “right application” is very narrow with all the pull pans I’ve been around.

Like I’ve always told my scraper hands, if we don’t HAVE to be building berms and supers in the turns on the haul roads, we aren’t moving dirt fast enough. Pull pans just can’t compete with that kind of production.

[fensoncont.]

Wow! That was quite a post, thanks for all that valuble information in that post.

[patrick]

Take a good look at Ashland Industries scraper Fast and true capacities was just named OEM for Volvo pullers Build very heavy www.ashlandind.com

[mitchell2905]

I dont think John Deere has cleared the 9630 for pulling pans. From what I have heard they have too much power and are ripping transmissions and rear ends apart.

[farm_boy]

I dont think John Deere has cleared the 9630 for pulling pans. From what I have heard they have too much power and are ripping transmissions and rear ends apart.

Not the case at all. The 9430, 9530 and 9630 all come in scraper special versions along with Auto Load. In fact there have been several updates to the transmission and axles of the 9020 series to improve durability. There is quite a bit more information here. (http://http://www.deere.com/en_US/cfd/construction/deere_const/scraper_tractors/9630_scrapertractors_360.html.html)

[mitchell2905]

sorry, I guess I heard my dad say that about a year ago.:duh:update

[lazer]

hi how ya all going i am looking to going to the us to drive laser buckets (pull pans) think that what ya call them over there an am wonting to no where to start looking thanks for ya time

[pullpans]

I'm partial to IMC, www.imcscrapers.com

Complete line of pull scrapers.

[Abscraperguy]

The best pans out there have a C18 powered tractor in front with a C15 powered motor right behind the can. They work best in pairs, and say “657G” on the side.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I’ve been a scraper man for a while, and love moving huge amounts of dirt with a big fleet of scrapers. And I’ve tried to be open minded with the pull pans but they’ve yet to really win me over.

In the right applications they’re unbeatable. But that window of “right application” is very narrow with all the pull pans I’ve been around.

Like I’ve always told my scraper hands, if we don’t HAVE to be building berms and supers in the turns on the haul roads, we aren’t moving dirt fast enough. Pull pans just can’t compete with that kind of production.

So maybe pull pans aren't as fast what do you figure is cost per yard?

I've pulled Deere, Reynolds, Crabtree, and Ktec scrapers.

The Crabtree's were older than the hills but were nice lighter pans that stood up well. Their only downside is the very low clearance.

The Deere's had good clearance and a beautiful, smooth cut but pulled harder than the Crabtree's or Reynolds. They seemed to have a bit of a problem with cracking.

The Reynold's pans were well built but didn't have as much clearance as the Deere's and pulled harder than the Crabtree's. They also had some unique hydraulic cylinder setups. Example on the pusher they might have one cylinder pushing and one pulling which was no big deal until it came time for repairs and getting them synchronized.

My own personal favorite is the Ktec. Pulling one big unit is about 40% faster than pulling two of equal yardage. With their hitch system they put alot more weight on the front wheels without overloading the back than other units do. Another thing when pulling doubles and working in soft ground the back pan seems to pull like a dead cow. With Ktec the weight is on the wheels. With how many loaded pans can you stall 450HP in first gear climbing the pile without spinning out?

A local Ktec pan outfit hired a die hard buggy guy as foreman this last summer. Before two weeks were up he had to admit that the Case 485/Ktec 3100 combo was about 30-40% faster and more efficient than his buggies were.

I don't know really know anything about Weyco pans but I've heard they are of the better ones. They say this outfit got started rebuilding Reynold's pans and in time started building their own.

http://www.weycomfg.com/

http://www.ktecearthmovers.com/

[Greg]

I love my Cat 463 and No. 80 converted to hydraulic.

[excavator22]

9420pullpan,
I have never seen one of those tracked pullpans, are they freewheel or are they engine driven? They are pretty cool though.

[9420pullpan]

9420pullpan,
I have never seen one of those tracked pullpans, are they freewheel or are they engine driven? They are pretty cool though.

You don't see very many of them but from my experience they would be the way to go.