Akutan Ak. Cut and fill

[Lashlander]

A few job pics. This is an expansion for a seafood processor. A pretty tough place to get the equipment to the top. Total job is around 400,000 yards. They hope to get around 125,000 done this year and the rest next year. CB heres a pic of the Volcano, the last time it erupted it blew its top off so doesn't have the classic look, you can see it smoldering though. Notice the eagle under the rock in the second pic?

[Lashlander]

Working our way to the top!

[chipsearthworks]

WOW!!! that is some serious digging there. So let me get this straight, you are digging into a volcano? Or the pic was of another mountian that has a volcano???:eek: :eek:

[Lashlander]

The Volcano is at the head end of the bay, about a mile away. Heres a few more.

[PSDF350]

Lash you always post some of the most spectacular pics thanks.

[JimBruce42]

Looks like you got some serious digging ahead. Also appears as though that dozer's ripper is going to get a work out too:Banghead , what size is it?

[Ford LT-9000]

Good thing you have a 45 ton excavator thats hard stuff to dig we call dirt like that rotten rock its not hard like a rock but its still hard to dig. One job I was on had to us a 200 sized machine with a breaker to loosen it up.

Is the fishing in Alaska that good still that a seafood processor needs to expand ?

I imagine the crab fishery must be the biggest profit and done the most.

[Lashlander]

Looks like you got some serious digging ahead. Also appears as though that dozer's ripper is going to get a work out too:Banghead , what size is it?

The dozer is a D10N, we went out to strip the top off and see if it would rip it. Most of it rips easy but does have some hard spots that isn't worth the time and abuse of ripping. We'll have to shoot it.

Is the fishing in Alaska that good still that a seafood processor needs to expand ? I imagine the crab fishery must be the biggest profit and done the most.

This plant has the capability to produce over 3 million pounds a day. They have over 25 draggers over 125' in length fishing for them. Production is down a little because all local waters are closed because of Salmon bycatch. They have to run over 24 hours out to fish. The big products are Pollack, Cod, and Halibut. Crab is just a drop in the bucket to these guys.


Heres a few more pics of the climb to the top. The big surprise when we got there was between 8 to 15 feet of top soil and ash. It doesn't show so good in the pics but you can count at least 12 different layers from different eruptions. It instantly turns to pudding when you disturb it. We are constantly muck bound.

[Lashlander]

Few more!

[Countryboy]

Lash, those are some spectacular pictures you got there. Every job you do entertains me for hours. :drinkup

SO.....you still haven't eailed me that job application. :cool2 :D

[Cat420]

Awesome pictures. I'm sure one gets used to seeing that view all the time, but it still must be a nice place to live and work.

Some of the angles that 345 is working at look a little uncomfortable to say the least. Are they just about the maximum you can go? How is the work speed affected by the steep angle's effects on both operator and machine? I know most equipment will work on much steeper stuff than the operator cares for, but I guess actually seeing it in a picture made it really jump out for me.

[Lashlander]

Lash, those are some spectacular pictures you got there. Every job you do entertains me for hours. :drinkup

SO.....you still haven't eailed me that job application. :cool2 :D

Thanks CB, Wrenchbender said to send it to him and he'd get it to you. I'm not sure what happened.

Awesome pictures. Some of the angles that 345 is working at look a little uncomfortable to say the least. Are they just about the maximum you can go? How is the work speed affected by the steep angle's effects on both operator and machine? I know most equipment will work on much steeper stuff than the operator cares for, but I guess actually seeing it in a picture made it really jump out for me.

Thanks Cat, This about as steep as a guy wants to get. Its about as steep as it would stay on the slope. You don't want to get to speedy at thet angle either. Your right to, its uncomfortable for the operator. He thought he was close enough to make a run for the top but when he ran into all the overburden he backed up and leveled himself back up.



Heres a few more after we got an area big enough to get the 10 up and get going.

[Lashlander]

Few more.

[hoeman600]

wowe wow wow!!!!!:usa

[Ford LT-9000]

Thats alot of fish they can process :eek:

The job itself is a big one the cat skinner must like heights I don't know if I want to be pushing over a edge that far up.

[dig dug]

wow it looks like one little slip and your in for quite a ride in some of those pics.

[PSDF350]

:drinkup :drinkup

[CascadeScaper]

Right on man! Love the pics! I've been in some nasty places with an excavator before where I had to build shelves to get myself to the top but you got me beat! Keep the pics coming, they're always appreciated!

[alan627b]

Lashlander, you mind if I ask what the vertical distance is on that cliff you are pushing off of? Looks like a long way down!
Take care and be careful, thanks for the interesting pics!
alan627b

[nedly05]

AWESOME pics Lash, when can I start!!

[Lashlander]

Lashlander, you mind if I ask what the vertical distance is on that cliff you are pushing off of? Looks like a long way down!
Take care and be careful, thanks for the interesting pics!
alan627b

Its right at 90'. It wasn't to bad once I got the topsoil off and down into the rock. The topsoil is slick. Just gotta make sure you keep yourself level. Heres a couple more pictures one of the processors gave me.

Thanks for everyones comments, They are appreciated.

[Ford LT-9000]

At one of the gravel mines they have a hillside like that where they push 20 hours a day (2 shifts) with a D9.

I guess you couldn't use Amex (blasting). Scrape the over burden off then take a drill rig and start drilling some holes and blasting chunks off. That ground looks like its hard enough to hold a hole without collasping. Get a row of holes and blow off a large chunk.

The way you are doing is is a little more controlable thou and probably the safer way of doing it.

Nothing like playing with fertilizer and diesel fuel thou :D

[DigDug]

Great pics. I thought i was brave , but i got the willys just looking at your pics. That is a cool job. Thanks for the pics. doug:drinkup

[jimmyjack]

awsome pics:drinkup :notworthy

[PSDF350]

Great pics. I thought i was brave , but i got the willys just looking at your pics. That is a cool job. Thanks for the pics. doug:drinkup

Balls of steal was my first thought when saw second pic in last seires.

[RT Engineering]

Hi Lashlander,

Awesome pictures, awesome scenery, and a job that looks like it will take a little while.

A few questions, I notice the boom floating out in the water. Is this to contain the silt? Are you placing the material that is coming off the mountain into the area inside the boom? Then the buildings and docks will set on piles driven through the fill?

I also do not see any stakes. Is there survey or engineering for this project?

I would really like to work in an environment like you have there. If there was a project like yours in Southern California, there would be two inspectors or more for each machine.

RT

[Lashlander]

Hi Lashlander,

Awesome pictures, awesome scenery, and a job that looks like it will take a little while.

A few questions, I notice the boom floating out in the water. Is this to contain the silt? Are you placing the material that is coming off the mountain into the area inside the boom? Then the buildings and docks will set on piles driven through the fill?

I also do not see any stakes. Is there survey or engineering for this project?
RT


Thanks RT, Yes it is a silt curtain. The second phase of this job is going to be a sheetwall that will be backfilled with the material off the hill. The only stakes we have right now are the property line stakes. The new space will be used as a container yard.

[equipment fan]

lashlander,does you hitachi 225uslc work on this project?Thanks for sharing the pictures,very beautiful!!!:eek:

[DigDug]

wow it looks like one little slip and your in for quite a ride in some of those pics.


Hey , how did you get to be dig dug? :eek:

[Lashlander]

lashlander,does you hitachi 225uslc work on this project?Thanks for sharing the pictures,very beautiful!!!:eek:

That Hitachi was another companies that just came though our yard. It went on lease to the state dot and they have been walking it down the highway cleaning ditches with it all summer.


The drill and two containers of powder were delivered to Akutan today so we fly out in the morning to go back at it. Probably be out there around six weeks. I'll try to check in once in a while but don't know. You guys behave yourselves!:drinkup

[jmac]

Lash, great photo's. Look's like everything in AK is done in a big way! Congrats on living in one of the best places on earth and having a great job to go along with it. :drinkup

[Lashlander]

Well after living in this bunkhouse for six weeks I came home the other night and had internet in my room. Don't know why or for how long but here are a few pics. We ended up stripping nearly 60,000 yards of overburden. Had a tough time to get rid of it. A little wave action helped us out though.

[Lashlander]

Few more!

[nedly05]

I want to be just like Lash when I grow up:p Up here if you got caught putting dirt in the water you'd be in big trouble mister!!! GREAT PICS!

[equipment fan]

very nice pics,thanks for sharing.This jobsite looks to have all type of soil:mud,rock,dirt,etc.

[Lashlander]

Heres a few of the drilling and the first shot. We craned the powder up then had to cary it the rest of the way. The processor had the dock crew help us out.:thumbsup The conex box in the middle of the job has a huge transformer in it so can't be moved. Some of the rocks are a little large for this reason.:Banghead I took a video of each shot but don't know how to get them on yet. I'll have to wait til I get home and have my 14 year old help me.

[Lashlander]

Few more!

[Lashlander]

The rest! Have you had enough?

[chipsearthworks]

The rest! Have you had enough?

HELL NO!!!! keep them comiing!:drinkup :drinkup

[mtb345]

nice pic:usa

[nedly05]

How did you get the pick up to the top??

[Dirtman2007]

How many pounds of explosives were used? There are boxes stacked up everywhere.
keep the pics coming, can't wait to see the videos!!

[Countryboy]

Excellent pictures again Lash. :drinkup

Do yall do the drilling or is it contracted out? I assume the blasting is contracted out too?

[Lashlander]

How did you get the pick up to the top??

The processor has an old D7G with a winch we drug it up with for a while then it went down so we drug it up with the 345. It was the drillers fuel and tools.

How many pounds of explosives were used? There are boxes stacked up everywhere.
keep the pics coming, can't wait to see the videos!!

This first shot was 28,000#. The powder came by barge but it also had propane so they couldn't get enough seperation between the powder, propane and boosters, so they flew the boosters in a charter plane. Since theres no runway here the plane has to land on the water which brings the Coast Guard into the picture. It took us two weeks worth of paper work to get it done.

Excellent pictures again Lash. :drinkup

Do yall do the drilling or is it contracted out? I assume the blasting is contracted out too?

We subbed the drilling and shooting. This drill alone runs around a half a million.

[Countryboy]

The processor has an old D7G with a winch we drug it up with for a while then it went down so we drug it up with the 345. It was the drillers fuel and tools.

Now that looks fun. :cool:

Are you at liberty to give a rounded figure of what a project like this costs. With all the overburden removal, drilling/blasting, shipping costs, permits, etc. etc., its got to cost a pretty penny.

[PSDF350]

The rest! Have you had enough?


HELL NO!!!! keep them comiing!

I'll second that.

[nedly05]

I'll second that.

Third.

[CM1995]

Great pic's Lash!:drinkup

If that pickup was a Ford it would have climbed that hill by itself.:D :deadhorse :stirthepot

Serious question - How in the world did they get a permit to fill in the bay/ocean like that?:beatsme

[alan627b]

Finally got time to check this thread out again.
Lash, if you can remember that far back, I will ask my question another way.
Where the D10 was pushing off the cliff edge, about how far from top to bottom was it? near vertical in angle, but how high up?
Quite a job at any rate.
Keep the pics coming, quite different from what I am used to!
alan627b

If that truck was a DODGE, it would have towed the 345 up the hill! LOL!

[Dwan Hall]

alan627b

post#21 answers your question. "There he said it was right on 90'."

a bit farther then one would want to ride a pile of dirt down the hill.

Dwan

[alan627b]

I thought that meant 90 degrees, as in, straight down...looked higher to me.
Dwan, di you get your grader finished?
Take care,
Alan

[Lashlander]

Serious question - How in the world did they get a permit to fill in the bay/ocean like that?:beatsme

It depends on where and what your going to fill. They still allow alot of it but not in any critical habitat. If theres any eel grass its pretty much a no go. The regs are getting rediculas though. A few years ago we needed to shot two holes to drive piling into, the denied our request because of Sealions in the Shelikof Strait, which was over 30 miles away. They must have thought we were really gonna use a lot of powder.
Are you at liberty to give a rounded figure of what a project like this costs. With all the overburden removal, drilling/blasting, shipping costs, permits, etc. etc., its got to cost a pretty penny.

Its rapidly approaching 2 million.

Finally got time to check this thread out again.
Lash, if you can remember that far back, I will ask my question another way.
Where the D10 was pushing off the cliff edge, about how far from top to bottom was it? near vertical in angle, but how high up?

I see Dwan answered the question. It was 90' Its just a memory now!:D

[Alan]

How did you get the pick up to the top??

GMC= Great Mountain Climber!

Same goes for Chebby, it runs in the family

[Dwan Hall]

Dwan, di you get your grader finished?
Take care,
Alan

It is the rainy season here in South East and jobs like Lash is doing if not on hold are going real slow.
That is giving me time to think more about what all I need to do on the grader. Still need to finish the inside, wire, install lights, fix a leaky seal and find end bits for the blade to start with.

Lash: 33 degrees here last night Has it dropped below freezing there yet? We expect snow within the next 2 weeks.

[jimmyjack]

nice pics

[DigDug]

Lash is that near the NEwton factory?? I saw something on tv abuot Akutan and Newton and the Governor and a new airport. Great pics , looks like a fun job. doug

[Squizzy246B]

Lash, your messing up Google Earth!:rolleyes: :D

[TRACKHOE71]

HAHA:lmao good one Squizzy!


Jordan

[Lashlander]

33 degrees here last night Has it dropped below freezing there yet? We expect snow within the next 2 weeks.

Snowed most of the day yesterday but never stuck down low. It was 28 degrees this morning. Took this pic this morning. The second pic I took just for the fun of it all.

Lash is that near the NEwton factory?? I saw something on tv abuot Akutan and Newton and the Governor and a new airport. Great pics , looks like a fun job. doug

Theres no Newton factorys here. Just a fish processor and a village with about 60 people living in it. They are trying to get an airport but theres no flat ground to build one so they want to build one on a neighboring island and use a hovercraft to run back and fourth. Its tough to get people in and out of here with the weather and having to land on the water.

Lash, your messing up Google Earth!:rolleyes: :D

I looked on the google satellite but they haven't upgraded the picture yet.

[Lashlander]

Heres a few more pictures. Got started mucking out the first shot. We had to break some of the bigger rocks so the 10 would push them in. The processor gave us their 225 with a breaker so we could get on with stripping for the second shot with ours.

[Lashlander]

Few more!

[Lashlander]

The second shot was 18,000# Placed some of it in the water and created a little tsunami about 6' high. No damage to the harbor though. Did have a little problem with a rock and the utilities though.

[CascadeScaper]

I see Sig Hansen and company decided to stop by. I met him in the restaurant I work at earlier this summer, served him, his wife, and daugther their food. He asked me if the sour cream on his wife's baked potato was going to cost him extra, as if he didn't have the money. :cool2 Seems like a pretty cool guy.

Pics are lookin good as always.

[nedly05]

I see Sig Hansen and company decided to stop by. I met him in the restaurant I work at earlier this summer, served him, his wife, and daugther their food. He asked me if the sour cream on his wife's baked potato was going to cost him extra, as if he didn't have the money. :cool2 Seems like a pretty cool guy.

Pics are lookin good as always.

He must have had a bad season last year!!

Great pics Lash, how many hours a week are you guys workin on that project? How deep is the cut all in total??

[Lashlander]

I see Sig Hansen and company decided to stop by. I met him in the restaurant I work at earlier this summer, served him, his wife, and daugther their food. He asked me if the sour cream on his wife's baked potato was going to cost him extra, as if he didn't have the money. :cool2 Seems like a pretty cool guy.

We had the road blocked so I hauled the Discovery Channels cameras though with our 966.

Great pics Lash, how many hours a week are you guys workin on that project? How deep is the cut all in total??

The tallest cut is right at 150'. Were working seven twelves with a few thirteens and fourteens throw in for good measure.

[nedly05]

The tallest cut is right at 150'. Were working seven twelves with a few thirteens and fourteens throw in for good measure.


So pretty much workin' non stop!!:thumbsup

[Lashlander]

I know the IRS is enjoying the heck out of it!:usa

[OSCLandscaping]

Great pictures, keep them coming.:)

[jimmyjack]

nice:scool

[Digger293]

Thanks Lashlander.....I just learned a ton on how to take down a bank like that just from those pictures....

[thejdman04]

great pics

[Lashlander]

In the 2nd pic in the last set of pics you can see a berm. We put that there to protect a utility trench that was supposed to be 5' deep. After the shot the power and phones were out so we knew there was a problem. This rock was the culprit. Sheared of the face and stuck in the ground. Severed the 100 pair phone line, 440 volt power cable, 6" water line. 3" force main sewer and a 2" schedule 80 fuel line. When we dug it up the trench was 12' from the berm we put there to protect it and they were only a foot and a half deep.:Banghead

[Lashlander]

Few more pics. Set fire to the spilled fuel. Cleaned it up pretty good. The rest are loading another shot.

[Lashlander]

Few more pics.

[Countryboy]

Great pictures as usual. :drinkup

How many more shots will yall have to pull before you get it cut back to where you want it? At what depth are yall drilling the holes?

[PSDF350]

Keep these great pics comming.

[Lashlander]

How many more shots will yall have to pull before you get it cut back to where you want it? At what depth are yall drilling the holes?

There were 5 shots. 148,000 lbs of powder for 168,000 yards shot. We placed an estimated 165,000 yards with the overburden. We left around 70,000 yards on the pit floor for future fill. The deepest holes were 90'.


Once all the rock was placed we screened up 5000 yards of 4" minus so they could top it off once it settles for a while. It will settle for a couple years but will slow down in 6 months or so.

[Lashlander]

Just had a couple big rocks to break so I could shove them back up the hill. Load the flats. Barge came in at midnight. Loaded out by 5:00am. Caught a freighter to Dutch Harbor at 6:00 am and a plane home. :woohoo

[Squizzy246B]

Great job Lash, looks like you might be just getting out of there in time.

Wish I could get away from wall building in the heat for awhile and just do some saddle time on a job like that.

[fireman050]

got any more pics of those two smaller dozers

[Lashlander]

got any more pics of those two smaller dozers

These were owned by the processor. A D7G and a JD550. The seven is fairly tired, we didn't use it much. We only used the 550 to pull the air compressor around. It was pretty worthless in the mud with street pads.

[Lashlander]

Lets see if I've got this figured out!
The first shot doesn't go until 1:04 into it. I didn't have a radio so wasn't sure when it was going to go. I got a kick out of the bird that got shot out. I thought it was going to hit the dozer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6pp3ajBynM

This shot placed some material in the water and created a pretty good wave that came down the beach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7AehYmTvA4

This shot we had some fly rock. I was tucked up under the overhang on our screenall and a rock hit directly above my head. You can see the camera jerk when it hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_olNIUlpqNk

[Cat420]

Great videos! Nothing like blowing stuff up.

[DPete]

I just found this thread, glad I did. Thanks for the pics and narration Lashlander, If it settles for a couple of years how long until they can build on it? Outstanding job :thumbsup :thumbsup

[greywynd]

I think early on in the thread I recall you saying there was some this year, and more next year, that still the same? Heading back in the spring then?

[Lashlander]

If it settles for a couple of years how long until they can build on it? :thumbsup :thumbsup

Most deep fills I've done they build on it the third year. You can accelerate that considerably by using a vibratory probe, which is just an H beam usually on a vibratory pile driver. You drive it down to the depth of the fill on a pattern. Usually 5' centers, It is amazing how hard that will settle things.

I think early on in the thread I recall you saying there was some this year, and more next year, that still the same? Heading back in the spring then?

The plan is to go back in April I think and work on the sheetwall. The wall is around 1200'. The season didn't go to well for anyone this year and closed Nov. 1st with 28 million # of pollack uncaught. With the price of steel and fuel I think they were talking about doing half in 08 and finishing in 09. They will have to decide after the first of the year.

[Dwan Hall]

By the way Lash it is 1/4 to 8, why aren't you out working? or is the tide to high :D

[Lashlander]

By the way Lash it is 1/4 to 8, why aren't you out working? or is the tide to high :D

Yaa I know I'm slackin. After working 3 months 12 to 14 hour days with no days off I'm working 8s for a couple weeks. Don't panic going to 6 10s Monday!

[Dwan Hall]

Yaa I know I'm slackin. After working 3 months 12 to 14 hour days with no days off I'm working 8s for a couple weeks. Don't panic going to 6 10s Monday!


You got to love Alaska! I do!!

[paulsoccodato]

Some of the best pictures i've seen! very impressive.

[jughead]

always thought i would like to be an operator. after looking at these pics guess there was never a time in my 70 plus years that i would have had what it takes. got a BIG yellow streak up my back. love the pics though keep them coming.:notworthy

[thejdman04]

great pics

[pushkid84]

that has to be one of the coolest jobs i have ever seen! what type of shifts are you guys working? does your company have a web site? way cool man!!:scool

[Lashlander]

We were starting at 6:30 am. Half hour break for lunch and another for supper then usually quit at 8:00 pm. Now and then we would run until 9 or 10. No days off.

[Dwan Hall]

Working up here is so much fun why would anyone want a day off?

Besides look around what else is there to do? Take pictures?

[Lashlander]

I don't know, A guy needs to go fishing now and then. However when were out of town on these jobs thats about all there is to do. Lots of overtime makes it worth it!

[nedly05]

I don't know, A guy needs to go fishing now and then. However when were out of town on these jobs thats about all there is to do. Lots of overtime makes it worth it!


You never get time to spend those checks, so you should end up with a big wad of money...unless you send the checks home in which case they will probably get spent...

With working so many hours and so many days in a row does the crew ever get burnt out? Will you do this until the job is done, or shut down at some point during the winter?

[bobcat ron]

Awesome blasting vids, the first one was a real beauty.

[Lashlander]

You never get time to spend those checks, so you should end up with a big wad of money...unless you send the checks home in which case they will probably get spent...

With working so many hours and so many days in a row does the crew ever get burnt out? Will you do this until the job is done, or shut down at some point during the winter?

Don't you worry, my wife strolls into the office every Friday and picks up my check.:D A few years ago we were on a job in Sandpoint. We'd been there for three and a half months working 12 hour days and no days off. One of the guys went down and cashed a $100.00 check at the store so he could buy his girl friend and her son a souvenir when we went home. A couple days later the store owner showed up on the job. His check bounced. His girlfriend had a new man with a little habit is seems.

Not very often do we get burnt out. It does happen though. We were on a dock job for a month one time. It was in February and was around ten below zero everyday. There was a constant 40 MPH wind day in and day out. Add that to only about 5 hours of day light. The water line froze to the house we were living in so we never had running water. The cook was also horrible. I finally shut the job down and chartered a plane home. Took a week, fired the cook, got a plumber to fix the water, went back to work. The weather warmed up a little and everyone was happy again.
The job is done in Akutan for this year, Were currently working on a dock extension here in town. We don't shut down for winter.

[nedly05]

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The job is done in Akutan for this year, Were currently working on a dock extension here in town. We don't shut down for winter.

You are a lot tougher than we are, we are more or less shut down with digging, it is snowing so hard right now you can barely see outside, the weatherman says up to 2 feet. We plow close to 50 places when all of the "second home people" are here, and they are all here for the holidays. It just seems to be such a pain to do excavating in the winter, we do some when needed, but mainly just worry about plowing and do repairs and some logging.

At least you are working in town around the holidays, 12 hrs a day isnt bad when you can see your family and sleep in your own bed!

[Lashlander]

One of the guys gave me a CD with pictures he took. I thought these were pretty cool.

[nedly05]

Nice pics, love the one of the shots firing!!!

[Ray Welsh]

One of the guys gave me a CD with pictures he took. I thought these were pretty cool.

Hi Lashlander, Re your blast pics:
Looks to me like your powder-monkeys need some lessons on backfilling the blast holes. A good blast should exert force below ground, not look like a heap of shotguns facing the sky. That's just wasted nitro!! Otherwise, great pics..........Ray

[Lashlander]

Akutan is on an Island in the Aleutian Chain. There's no gravel pit in the area so we didn't have any 1" minus to use as stemming. We used the cuttings from the drill, however it also rains a lot so it was mud. The first shot we did we held the powder down 10' and stemmed it the rest of the way. The shot only had a couple shot gunned holes but resulted in to many large rocks off the top of the shot. We spent 2 days with two hoes and hammers breaking them so the 10 could shove them in the bay. The next shots we still held the powder down 10' because of the containers and other things in the vicinity but we would stem the holes 5' then put a booster by itself and stem the last 5' with the mud that was left. The result was what you see. Out of the last four shots we only had maybe 4 rocks that needed to be broken with the hammers. When you work remote locations you use what you have.:usa

[Panhandler Bob]

:beatsme Been thru this whole thread not one picture did I see! What am I doing wrong or where did they go ??? Is it out dated??:Banghead:bash Really would like to see em:beatsme

[Squizzy246B]

:beatsme Been thru this whole thread not one picture did I see! What am I doing wrong or where did they go ??? Is it out dated??:Banghead:bash Really would like to see em:beatsme

Sorry Bob but the pics got accidentally removed (its a long story). We can only hope oneday Lashlander has about 20 hours to piece it all back together...it (was) a truly great thread.

[Colorado Digger]

i keep checking back on this one waiting for the pics. maybe a winter project eh?