No Chains!?!

[digger242j]

The other day I was on a job when I saw something that really amazed me. An older Mack single axle dump with a tag trailer went by. On the trailer there was about a 955 Cat hilift. There was a chunk of 6x6 on the deck jammed behind the track, but the machine wasn't chained down to the trailer at all. They unloaded the machine in the vacant lot across the street, and loaded a couple truckloads of dirt out. Then they pulled the truck and trailer into the street, and walked the Cat right up the middle of the asphalt street and loaded it back up. They didn't put any chains on it then either. :eek:

When I left the job later, I passed them about a half mile up the street. They were grading the lot where they'd obviously done a small demo job. This all took place in a congested, urban area, not out in the sticks somewhere. The lot where they loaded the dirt from is in an industrial area, but the demo job was right on the main street of the neighborhood's business district.


I can't imagine trailering a machine *any* distance on a public street without binding it down. Am I just too conservative?
:beatsme

[cat320]

Well I know I would not want to chance it .better safe than sorry if the machi e shifted for any reason some one could of got really hurt.

[John Banks]

Well, DOT would've had something to say!

When we move larger machines, they get 5 binders/chains. One for each corner and one at the middle. This is how I learned to do it.

The smaller machines will usually just get the four corners, or just front and rear depending on the size.

I was behind a truck trailering a large CAT loader yesterday, a 966. It only had one chain from one side of the trailer, through the hitch pin and to the other side of the trailer. Kinda scary thinkin' if this thing should shift for some reason.

A few months ago, a backhoe fell off a trailer on the highway, that was a sight.

I have also seen an excavator shift and roll over.

[BKrois]

My old boss whos actually in the same town as John Banks used to have a cat 953 track loader years back. I guess he was moving the machine, and only had one chain on the rear counterweight or hitch and went around a sharp corner and the machine fell onto some ladies tree.....

One of my friend has a mini excavator w/ rubber tracks. I was in back of him on I-95 one day, and the machine had no chains, it was a regular skidsteer trailer, not a deckover, but i still was skeptical. I asked him about chains and he told me "its on rubber tracks, its not going anywhere". DOT is out heavy on 95, not sure why he'd risk it.

[digger242j]

I was at an auction years ago. It was a liquidation of one contractor's equipment. The rubber tired equipment all had a set of big D rings welded to the frame somewhere near the middle. There were also a number of 1/2" chains and the binders to match. I don't remember if I figured it out on my own or had to ask someone, but the way that contractor chained his equipment down was with one big chain, straight across.

[max diyer]

Story #1 :
A few years back, I was following a single axle dump pulling a tandem axle beaver tail with a Cat 955 on it. The road was a 2-lane and had a lot of curves. This guy was going way too fast. Then I noticed he didn't have any chains on the machine. Two curves later, the 955 came off the trailer. The corner of the bucket dug in and spun the machine around 180 degrees and came to a stop on it's tracks. In the process, a phone pole was snapped, which had a support wire from the top of the pole to the ground across the road. The road was blocked with the top half of the pole and the support wire. We couldn't move the pole until we cut the wire. A fellow with a tow-behind air compressor, pulled down and we jackhammered the wire, moved the pole. He started up the 955 and was putting it back on the trailer, when I left.

Story # 2 :
While fueling up my 18-wheeler, I heard a truck coming down the road, then I heard the Jake brake come on and then a loud crashing noise. I turned to see a medium size paving machine, coming right at me. I ran, but the machine came to a stop, 12 feet from my truck. Well guess what, he didn't have the paver chained down . . . . gee, imagine that!

[triaxle]

TOP 10 REASONS TO MOVE EQUIPMENT WITHOUT SECUREMENT:
1. you have no brain
2. you have no understanding of liability
3. you have no understanding of the term, " reckless endangerment."
4. you haven't heard of the DOT, Police or lawyers.
5. you want to go out of business fast
6. you do not value your life or the lives of others
7. you want to stay somewhere where the meals are included in the stay
8. you always wanted your picture in the newspaper
9. you are a terrorist
10. you think its just a short distance and nothing will happen

Seriously, someone killed a motorist in Atlanta with an unsecured refrigerator this year. We have to be professional about our moving habits.

A contractor moving equipment without securement is no different than a drunken driver. They represent bad judgement and are a threat to each of us. :nono

[PSDF350]

not to do with chains but yesterday was heading south on rt 10 and here comes a 80s? chevy 1 ton dual rear wheels pulling a excuvator. not sure it's size but it was one of the biggest minis out there. had to of been 15-20,000#. this was with a pull behind trailer.

[AFCS]

not using chains on a load is a really dangerous situation.
I cannot even begin to tell you how many excavators and dozers I see
that are improperly chained down. The most common practice here is illigal at best. they throw one chain across the back and secure it to the trailer on either side, then take a binder to the track and then repeat this on the front. you have two chains, four binders, and nothing on the stick or bucket or blade or ripper. D.O.T. requires four chains for the main piece of equipment, then one chain for any attachment or appennage that can be moved (ripper, bucket, blade ect.)

and to think they believe that they are saving money in their move times by limiting the number of chains,, but the fine is 500 per missing chain.

[rino1494]

Well, this is a old thread, but oh well. We have moved our machines around developments from job to job with not chains. The excavators, we just side load and don't turn to straighten them out. Just turn the house around and set the bucket on the trailor. Go to the next job and dump it right off. If we were going to move it on a major street, then we would chain it down.

[Dozerboy]

I have moved with no chains it was about 1 mile in town straight shot 35 MPH street. It wasn't because I wanted to some one took my chains and I didn't have the right permit and was about 40K over weight.

[tuney443]

not using chains on a load is a really dangerous situation.
I cannot even begin to tell you how many excavators and dozers I see
that are improperly chained down. The most common practice here is illigal at best. they throw one chain across the back and secure it to the trailer on either side, then take a binder to the track and then repeat this on the front. you have two chains, four binders, and nothing on the stick or bucket or blade or ripper. D.O.T. requires four chains for the main piece of equipment, then one chain for any attachment or appennage that can be moved (ripper, bucket, blade ect.)

and to think they believe that they are saving money in their move times by limiting the number of chains,, but the fine is 500 per missing chain.

NY requires the same rule--anything over 6 ton gets a chain at each corner and 1 on each bucket or blade.Years ago in my younger{know-it-all,stupid} days,On dozers or track loaders I'd put 4-6 tires under the tracks with no chains--they would'nt move an inch.

[terryk4675]

"A contractor moving equipment without securement is no different than a drunken driver. They represent bad judgement and are a threat to each of us. "

...well put. Like pulling a machine forward against the gooseneck & chaining the rear of the machine. I think some people concentrate more on fwd - bckwd movement, and forget about the possible side to side. Takes less time binding down a few more chains than it would to reload the machine, deal with DOT and possibly contend with an accident.

[nedly05]

I def. over chain. I would rather take 10 exta minutes to do it right than hurt someone or get shut down @ a DOT checkpoint. Doesn't matter if I am going across the street or across the country.

[twostick]

D.O.T. requires four chains for the main piece of equipment, then one chain for any attachment


Not quite true. What is required is 4 securements of suitable Working load limit that total at least half the weight of the machine. I have used 4 binders and 2 chains (pull to 4 corners)and on trackmachines with the right dims 4 binders and no chains. Inside of track to outside of rail or D-ring. I also usually do one in the center on each side if possible. And of course something over a loader bucket in case it should defie the laws of physics or gravity.

Just found this place. Lots of cool stuff.

Kevin

[Countryboy]

Welcome to HEF twostick! :drinkup

[twostick]

Thanx. What's up with the no new posts for me. Is that a probation thing 'till they find out if I'm going to annoy the neighbors or not?

Kevin

[Countryboy]

Thanx. What's up with the no new posts for me. Is that a probation thing 'till they find out if I'm going to annoy the neighbors or not?

Kevin

Its just for "security" purposes. You will be able to start new threads after your 5th post. :thumbsup

[digger242j]

Thanx. What's up with the no new posts for me. Is that a probation thing 'till they find out if I'm going to annoy the neighbors or not?

Kevin


It's designed to discourage the "hit and run" spambots that are so prevalent these days. After 5 posts, you'll be able to start threads yourself. If you need to, PM Steve and he can upgrade you manually.

You aren't a spambot in disguise, are you? :cool2

[twostick]

No and as a rule I try not to annoy anyone. :D

Kevin

[Countryboy]

You will be able to start new threads after your 5th post.

After 5 posts, you'll be able to start threads yourself.

Where's that echo coming from.......:D

[digger242j]

Where's that echo coming from.......:D

The inside of your head is hollow. ***

[Countryboy]

The inside of your head is hollow. ***

Only the inside is hollow........the outside is full........:confused: ........ahhhh, I give up. You got me on that one. :D

[richardcatdaddy]

It dont matter what I haul.I will always use more chains and binders that I need to.Can you actually overchain something?IMO,no you cant.Ona D8N,a binder on each corner,two pulling to the rear,two pulling to the front,one on each top corner of the blade pulling chains down,one heavy chain and 2 binders across the ripper.Ona track hoe,345,320 200el 210,binder on each cornernagain pulling rear and front.one chain and binder over the stick,plus a chain and binder on the back of the machine thru the tie down points pulling down.I would rather be safe than stupid and hurt someone.

[Walt 66A]

Many years ago, I worked for a small contractor that had a hard and fast rule - Only chain down a machine if it has tires on it! If he saw you chaining down a dozer, he made you take them off. His reasoning was that if it decided to move, let it go and not take the lowboy with it! He lost a couple because of that thinking, too. One time, he loaded a crawler and the brake lock didn't work. He just ran it up against the neck of the trailer and left it running in first gear! It worked OK, until he jumped a curb, and the tractor crawled up the neck and off the side of the trailer, almost hitting a new Oldsmobile.

[MKTEF]

Her by us we have a program on the military network where you can look up your transport vehicle and goods. :bash
Each type of trailer has sertified chainpoints in the dekking. And then all chains is certified with a controll tag; lenght, thicknes and so on checks.
When we introduce a new machine it will be calculated, pictured and tested on each transport vehicle.
This is then documented in the loading program.
If you want to transport a Komatsu D65 doser on a lowbed, you print out the securing instruction. Tells you everything on how to secure it acording to the law. (+ a security addition
If the military police stops you, and you havent followed the instruction, fines and no military driving admitance for the lowbed:(
Road police came by an accident with a lowbed, and a main battle tank, 110 000Lbs of MBT was hanging on to the trailer when it turned upside down in the ditch.
They dont controll us anymore..:)

[srpccorp]

By far I am no pro here, but I'd like to ask something. What are the chains that you guys use rated for? I mean a D8 weighs in at almost 85,000 lbs, for 6 chains to be able to hold back that much weight... they'd all have to be able to hold at least 15,000 lbs if not more. How do you know when it's time to retire a chain? Or a binder?

[MKTEF]

Chain rating in the NO Army.:cool:
We use chains with a break force of 32 000 Lbs/16000 kg.
Due to regulations they are allowed to secure 16 000 lbs/8000 kg.(EU regulations the Army follows.)
The chains is 10 millimeter thick and of grade 100 quality.:)
The same goes for the binder.
Both has a check tag in metal. Says the rating and has controll points for thicknes, length of the chain and minimum opening inside in the chain.

For that D8 i would use 6 chains directly backwards, 3 to each side, and 3 to the front. If there where trackstoppers i could reduse the number to the sides. Same goes if i can put the blade or the machine against the trailer in front.
Angles on the lashing will reduse the securing force, and more must be added.
This is Norwegian Military regulations, may be strickter than yours.:usa

[richardcatdaddy]

Pretty close on the D8N weight.86,000 is about it without the ripper or breaker as some call it.What I do is use 4 ratchet type bindwers.One on each corner.Hook to the track pad,2 pulling front and 2 pulling back.A chain over the blade arms, a chain across the ripper after it has been lowered.Just remember,if it wants to come off the trailer,no matter how well its locked down,its gonna come off.:usa

[Bob Horrell]

In a bad situation you probably wouldn't want it staying with you and the truck. If it came loose and didn't hurt anybody, you would be a lot better off. No matter how well it was secured, I don't think I would like 85,000 to 100,000 lbs staying with me in a bad wreck. Despite that, you still have to secure it the best you can and then hope it doesn't wad you up so they have to take you out in a baggie. Any time you have that much weight moving 55 to 65 mph and then stop it quick, it's not going to be pretty.

[lgammon]

with the 312 we do four at the corners. with all the loaders the front of trailer has a heavy bar across the front that we slip the teeth of the bucket under and one chain across the back the bar has 1/2" plate on each side and 3-4 rods from the trailer holding it on so its not going any where. we have done this for 30 years and never lost a load. even wreked a truck or two and never lost a load. with the 420e cat we chain across the main piviot on the back and use 2 short chains and ratchets in the front. the skid is what every one will get on me about. we have 4 inch straps made on to the gooseneck, i just slip one threw the hand holds on the front of the machine, i know i know bad me. i have chains on the trailer but i hate getting that grease all over me with the chains. and if i wreck i don't wont that thing with me, and lets be real about that, is it any better to have a machine and trailer on top of some one or just the machine? if it is going and you have all those chains on it, it is just going to take the trailer with it. i don't think that it is any safer

[Camarogenius]

I'm a trucker by trade. It does my heart good to read about all of this "Over securing". I'm a bit of a "securement nazi". That's meant to say that I'm anal about making sure nothing EVER moves on my trailer.
I've actually been laughed at for over chaining.
I just tell them it's insurance.
I think I've pissed off a couple of my drivers, cause if I don't like the way their load is secured, I'll go out and bust it loose and re-secure it to my satisfaction. I'll do it right in front of them. If there's any serious deficiencies, I'll chew their ass while I'm doing it.:Banghead

[DBGoalie]

Moving anything without securing it is just plain negligent. The way I look at it, my wife and kids are out driving around during the day, and if some idiot didn't properly secure his or her load and something happened to them, I can't even begin to imagine how that would feel. I understand accidents happen, but an accident is something that can't be avoided. A piece of equipment that falls off a trailer because it wasn't secured, that can be avoided. I wouldn't even move a dozer from one end of a development to another without throwing binders on it. How did I know that someone's kids wouldn't come running into the street from one of the houses that were sold, or someone comes driving into the development looking at the pretty houses and gets in my path and I have to hit the brakes?

[RollOver Pete]

Ouch!

:cool:

[goodtrees]

You are totally correct. I'm new to haullling/trailering/pulling, but I did a little reading. The DOT spells it out in their Cargo Securement standard. http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/cargo/cs-policy.pdf Whatever you're hauling there are guidelines/regulations. :)

[LowBoy]

Ouch!

:cool:


Hoping no one got hurt in the Mack, I have to say, Bravo...that's one less bulldog.:pointlaugh

[OzDozer]

Oh, yes .. chain down EVERYTHING .. big items, AND small items .. or else, it can get very expensive .. and a lot of times .. very painful, too .. :(

[Ford LT-9000]

Okay that Nissan with a boat has to be a prank but that blue cab over with the pipe is serious was that a fatal ?

[Steve Frazier]

It appears to me the Nissan was towing the boat and rear ended another vehicle coming to an abrupt stop. It seems pretty conceivable to me that the boat could climb the truck if it were not tied properly due to the shape of the bow. The front of the bow has scuff marks most likely from riding up over the rubber bumpers of the trailer.

[LowBoy]

Most likely what happened. We had a similar accident 3 miles from here last summer. At the foot of the mountain I live on, is an abrupt left turn (with no dedicated turning lane,) leading into the National Forest, to a series of beautiful reserviors used by daytime boaters. A guy with a boat in tow was stopped, waiting to make this left, when an out-of-stater slammed into the boat trailer at about 50 m.p.h., shooting the boat over top of the tow vehicle and it slid a good 100-150 feet before stopping in the middle of the highway. No serious injuries thank Goodness, but made a mess out of all the vehicles, and changed everybody's plans for the weekend. It ended up at the service station where my boy once worked, and the boat wasn't in too good of shape, trailer was shaped like a "U", there was packages of hotdogs, buns, charcoal and exploded beer cans everywhere.:drinkup

[OzDozer]

The boat isn't a prank, it happened exactly as Steve surmised .. and I have personally seen the result of a load of corrugated iron sheeting (maybe 60-80 sheets?), carried on a rack above the truck tray and cab .. slide right off, forward, under heavy braking .. and flatten the truck cab .. :eek:

I have no info on the European MAN truck wreck .. except to say .. if there was anyone sitting in that middle seat, they would be history .. :(

[Ford LT-9000]

I don't know if its the same down in the USA but summer people with boats neglect to make sure their trailer lights work. You follow them you don't know if they are turning or slowing down. The real scary things to see is the wheels on the trailer wobbling you know darn well the wheel bearings are shot. The worst thing I seen was a trailer axle bending in the center not from being overloaded but from rusted thin there is no strength left :eek:

Soon as I seen that I backed right off the trailer was swaying all over the road if the axle broke in half there would be one heck of a accident.

Some of these people drive along pulling their boat the wheel bearings in one of the wheels lets go wheel falls off but the people keep on driving :beatsme

[OzDozer]

Ford LT-9000 - I had a friend who told me, when he was travelling West to East across Australia, back in the early 1980's, he came across an old guy hauling a fair-sized (20'-22'), tandem axle caravan (mobile home), across the Nullarbor Plain.

This guy was driving a Landcruiser, and was in his mid-80's .. and must have lost about 90% of his senses .. :roll .. because he'd done in a rear tyre on the 'van .. and kept driving ..

After maybe a hundred kms or more .. the wheel rim finally dissolved .. then the wheel hub .. then the end of the axle .. :eek:

When my friend caught up with him .. and managed to get him to stop .. the end of the axle had been so red hot, the heat had transferred to the springs, and the springs were drooped from the heat .. :eek:

He asked the old fella if he'd felt anything wrong? .. and the old fella just said .. "Oh, I thought it was pulling a little hard .. but I thought it was the headwind, so I just went down a gear .. " :rolleyes:

[Ford LT-9000]

Doesn't it make you wonder how some people can be so oblivious that there might be something wrong with their trailer or the load they are carrying. If I feel anything shake or move I pull over and check.

This is gotta be 2 years ago now a mobile home company towing a brandnew mobile home burn't up in the middle of the road because the driver ignored a hot dolly brake.

[Steve Frazier]

I was doing a backhaul near the docks in Jersey and witnessed a load of rebar slide on a flatbed trailer with no headboard. The driver was stopping for a stop sign. The rebar slid into the back of the cab of the Mack tractor crushing it and pinned the driver against the steering wheel. After I got loaded and came back through, rescue was cutting the driver out of the truck. He only suffered some broken ribs. He was lucky the rebar moved as a bundle, they did not penetrate the back of the cab otherwise he's have been speared.

[Ford LT-9000]

With the new regulations on load securement allows truck tractors not to have a cab gaurd bolted behind the cab of the truck. I don't know if thats a good idea or not. Before the new securement rules came out ever truck tractor must have a cab gaurd constructed of steel or aluminum U bolted to the trucks frame.

[Countryboy]

Welcome to HEF goodtrees! :drinkup

[Willis Bushogin]

Well I know I would not want to chance it .better safe than sorry if the machi e shifted for any reason some one could of got really hurt.
I know this is a old thread, but this happened a few months ago. Me and the driver loaded our Cat D5 on the lowboy, I helped him get the gooseneck hooked back up and I told him to finished everything and I had to go finish with the customer. I assumed he finished, but I thought as I heard the truck leave, boy thats quick. I finished with the customer in a few minutes and headed to the next job. about a mile I saw the truck, pulled off the side of the road, he had put on brakes for a stop sign and the dozer slid to the front of the lowboy, Yep, he forgot to put the bidders on the machine.
needless to say, when we got back to the shop, that was his last day working for me. He didnt damage anything, but it could have been a real bad situation.
Just my 2 cents

[terryk4675]

WOW! That scraper on top of that Mack ....MAN! As far as one less bulldog out there, you know why they put that bulldog on top of the hoods don't ya? So 2 xxxxxxxx can look at each other! Sorry, I spent 4 yrs driving Macks (2 stick R model & CH's) so I can say that. :D

I work in the Chicago metro area, and I see a LOT of guys undersecuring or not securing at all. Around here, it seems the popular thing to do, sadly, is pull the machine against the gooseneck and use 2 chains to pull forward.

I see this more often than not. And I see DOT targeting more dump drivers and container haulers, than anything else.

We haul a lot of precast concrete panels(12' - 16'' wide, up to 125k GCVW) and I'm CONSTANTLY arguing with the people who chain down our loads (yes you read that right) to do it right. Their way is to throw 4 - 3/8" chains from 1 side to the other, regardless of size & weight. Most of time, after they load it, I'll chain it myself, cross chain the front in case of movement foward (and they WILL slide) and haven't had a problem. Unforetunately, there are 30-60 drivers pulling these a day, and I'm 1 of 4 doing this right. The amount of laziness is just plain absurd. :Banghead

[Burnout]

Wow this thread really makes me feel like a jerk...... Last summer my 973 got moved from one site to another down the street about 3/4 mile. I loaded it on the float, went to help the driver chain it down and he said forget it. I followed him over no problems.

Middle of October, same thing. Just down the road a bit, loaded my 35 ton track loader and a 18 ton Dynapac sheepsfoot packer on a 40 ton 3 axle float trailer. Looped one chain around the drum of the packer, and the loader up against the gooseneck with the bucket in the air.

A week later moved the track loader again with the packer on the front of the trailer, but here is the kicker you guys won't like... and yes I know I know it's my fault for this next part so flamesuit is now on...lol My Jeep was already at the other jobsite we were floating me to, it was only 2 miles down the road that sees almost no traffic. The packer operator rode with the driver in the float truck so where did I sit... in the loader with the engine running. This was one time I couldn't quite believe myself though. Normally I get loaded to the front of the trailer instead of the back. The packer was already up by the gooseneck so I just drove up the beavertail and the driver never got out of his truck. I drove up, was still sitting on the back of the trailer over his tires and he starts driving away while im drivin down onto the deck.

[Colin Doy]

They say confession is good for the soul Burnout but wow:eek:

It's funny how when we try to be more efficient and save time safety seems to be the first thing to suffer.

[Burnout]

Yeah... the sad part is that I see equipment floated like that all the time. When I was moved in october the day I sat in the machine when they moved it... they also moved a D9N down the road and a 330BL the same way.... oddly enough that morning at 6am when they moved our new 385C it got chained down like there was no tommorrow.

[BIGBEN2004]

A couple of years ago where I used to work we had a local hauling company move the larger equipment for us. Well one day I loaded up my 953C and helped the driver sweep the street and got to talking to him and then we both left. I followed him to the next job about 40 miles away down though all the local cities around Washington DC and out West to the other job. When we pulled in he got out of the truck and started putting on his gloves to start un chaining it and his face turned almost green. I jumped out and asked what was wrong and he said, I can't believe I forgot to chain it down. I looked and sure enough we did not chain it down. I know we went through 50 stop lights and got out on the highway where we easily reached speeds of over 65MPH and that thing didn't even move an inch. He was so mad at himself since he was a owner operator of his trucking company and he said he would have lost everything if that thing slid off and did any damage or even worse hurt or killed someone. Needless to say I always check and recheck when I haul anything now after getting that lucky.

[Digwizz]

I've hauled excavators for over 30 years without ever chaining the bucket/boom, just tied down four corners. This worked fine until lasted September when I got DOT'd with a two hundred dollar fine. Just lucky all those years I guess. Guess what, now I chain the bucket! Anyone aware of a circumstance where the upper structure of a machine turned on the undercarraige while being transported.

[Countryboy]

Welcome to Heavy Equipment Forums Digwizz! :drinkup

[AtlasRob]

I've hauled excavators for over 30 years without ever chaining the bucket/boom, just tied down four corners. This worked fine until lasted September when I got DOT'd with a two hundred dollar fine. Just lucky all those years I guess. Guess what, now I chain the bucket! Anyone aware of a circumstance where the upper structure of a machine turned on the undercarraige while being transported.

A couple of years ago in the UK, a low loader travelled along the road in the dark with the arm of a digger loader swung out at 90deg to the trailer. I could hypothercise as to how it came to be in that position but I wont.
The bucket was above bonnet height of the oncoming cars who didnt stand a chance of seeing it as they passed the tractor unit. Suffice to say several people were killed.
The examination of the machine could find no fault with any of its operations and the reason or how the arm came to be in that position remains a mystery.

[AtlasRob]

I am working in the centre reservation of a motorway in UK and post the following two pics for your scrutiny.
The excavator is on a UK truck.
The sideboom is one I managed to catch of six that have gone past me. They are on Dutch owned trucks. Must be going to the docks at Felixstow probably from S Wales where they put a 48" pipe in last year.
Spot the chaining difference. :cool2 :rolleyes:

[Burnout]

Is it just me or are there no chains on the undercarriage of that Hiachi Excavator?

[iron kid]

no chains or jeep that has to be over loaded

[Burnout]

Not necessarily, In Ontario Canada the old man moved our old 992E Deere excavator on our 50ton Lode King 3 axle float. And it got moved behind a 379 tandem with a lift on it and everything was legal.

[Senator215i]

Saw at the end of last year when i was one the way home from work a brand new hitachi think it was about a 25ton machine only chained the undercarriage the boom and stick flopping round side to side hitting the ramps on the trailer.

[Senator215i]

Also have seen lots of skidsteers straped down just through the handles on the front of the cab. Have seen one with just a strap of the top of the cab.

[BIGBEN2004]

I have seen many skid loaders with only one yellow 3" strap over the cab holding them down. Needless to say I stay clear of them knowing it could come off at any moment.

[dayexco]

Saw at the end of last year when i was one the way home from work a brand new hitachi think it was about a 25ton machine only chained the undercarriage the boom and stick flopping round side to side hitting the ramps on the trailer.

do the new hitachis have a switchable swing brake? without hydraulic pressure, doesn't the swing brake automatically apply?

[Chaz Murray]

Here is a prime reason for chaining down loads....not only that the main reason we do not like narrow neck goosenecks

[AtlasRob]

Is it just me or are there no chains on the undercarriage of that Hiachi Excavator?

Checking the original photo I managed to detect one chain on the undercarriage to the rear but I cannot see a chain to the front, though I believe there would be one.

iron kid, In the UK that rig will be plated to run at STGO 2 which means max gross of 80t so he will be OK.

[AtlasRob]

Here is a prime reason for chaining down loads....not only that the main reason we do not like narrow neck goosenecks

Jeeez, Chas, that it quite remarkable that it didnt tip off the side as it rode up the neck.