Old Poclain Excavator

[Nick Drew]

Hi All,

I am not sure how popular the French range of excavators "Poclain" were in the US or if you even had them over there??
But here are some shots of an old Poclain TY45 that I recently discovered on a farm in Cornwall England, Quite a strange looking machine with its Triangular base with two small wheels at the front for steering.

These machines were first introduced in the year of my birth 1961!!
This particular model is an early 70's version.

I have recently completed an article about this machine for a British plant magazine that I do a bit for called Classic Plant & Machinery.

So guys any Poclain photos to share??

[garyhh44]

:) very good Thanks for the photos.:usa

[Nick Drew]

A few more photos....:)

[Steve Frazier]

Poclain was imported here, I've been on a few jobs where I've seen them. The operators seemed to think they were pretty good machines.

[Nick Drew]

Ah I see that's interesting would be nice to see if anyone has any photos from the States.

I once operated a Poclain 60 cutting V-ditches back in the 80's as you say it was a good machine.

Sadly they are no more after being gobbled up by the mighty Case organization in 1987.

Here is a picture of a TY45 that has been restored in the town of Crepy in France and is on permanant display near to where the old factory used to be.

Photos courtesy of Peter Happel

[Steve Frazier]

I should add the ones I've seen were traditional track style units, not like the ones pictured here.

[surfer-joe]

When I worked for a equipment dealer in south Florida back in the early seventies, they were the largest seller of Poclain excavators in the world for a while. For one thing, Poclain was one of the very few excavators that would dig coral rock without it being ripped or shot. This was on account of the high hydraulic pressures the machines had. The 120 crawler was our big seller. Deutz engines, large & powerful swing and tram motors, but the swing gear assembly was the machines weakest point. The boom and stick were weak as well if you steadily dug in the coral. We also had a few models out on rubber tires, a real rarity for the day.

We had the only factory trained mechanic between Cuba and New Jersey. Our engine man could rebuild Deutz engines in his sleep and probably did, he looked like the face in the old Hastings's filter ads.

Nice machines, but Poclain never did put an effective marketing or dealer organization together in North America and they went away. I've never seen one west of the big muddy.

[Truckie]

Very interesting machine. I never saw anything like this before. Thanks for the pics.
When I first saw the ca b it reminded me of a Case and even a Lebher.
Don’t know why, but that thought just popped in to my mind.

[bigblueox]

Hi i was searching around for Poclain info and i found your post. I am getting a Poclain 160 hoe in a few hours. My boss purchased it from a dealer who specalizes in old pocalin part as well as case excavator parts too. this is web site. Does any one have any more pics? i will post some soon!

[bigblueox]

here is the guys link http://www.rapidmachineryinc.com/

[Ross]

Nice pics. Funniest looking rubber duck ive ever seen :)

Ross

[Ford LT-9000]

There were a few around here along with Drott another brand Case bought up. The Drott Cruizair was a common excavator on rubber tires there were a few old crawler machines with screaming jimmy power.

[Nick Drew]

Hi i was searching around for Poclain info and i found your post. I am getting a Poclain 160 hoe in a few hours. My boss purchased it from a dealer who specalizes in old pocalin part as well as case excavator parts too. this is web site. Does any one have any more pics? i will post some soon!

OK continuing with the old Poclain photos, Here are some shots of a 220 backhoe that I saw for sale recently at a plant sales yard here in the West Country of England.

It was sold to a guy who already has a Poclain 90 and a 61.

[Nick Drew]

And also some Poclains for spares or repair!!

These old machines are lying in what can only be described as a machine graveyard in Somerset England.

[Nick Drew]

More "Dead or Alive" Poclains!!

[d4c24a]

hi nick nice pictures, that yard would it be sedgemoor plant by any chance
i have some workshop manuals somewhere for old poclains
the old yard here in hook has just been demoed by two volvos and two hitachi,s :D

[jhill]

I am helping build a campground on an old gravelpit. At the back of the property is some old machinery. One piece is a big old Case excavator. It is tagged as Made by Poclain. It has a big old Jimmy diesel in it. Its a big machine.

[Countryboy]

Welcome to HEF bigblueox! :drinkup

[wrenchbender]

here is the guys link http://www.rapidmachineryinc.com/

Welcome to HEF bigblueox, and thanks for the link

[Nick Drew]

hi nick nice pictures, that yard would it be sedgemoor plant by any chance
i have some workshop manuals somewhere for old poclains
the old yard here in hook has just been demoed by two volvos and two hitachi,s :D

Yes D4c, I think that yard is called Sedgemoor Plant run by a bit of a strange chap who contacted me after one of my letters was published in CP&M, he seemed to be a bit secretive and said if I published any of the photos in CP&M he didn't want to be named???

He had a load of old machines up there which were quite interesting to see.

So you live up near Hook then? I have been up to the old Case/CRMS yard many times in the past, as I was born & lived most of my life in Southampton and we used to whizz up there for spares.

Cheers

Nick

[d4c24a]

oh yes hes a bit strange i brought my d4c from him about three years ago that yard certainly is a sight to be seen,when we loaded my d4 it was onto a flatbed he lifted it with this old crane ,the hoist did not work he could only boom in/out i must say a bit frightening i soon backed under as soon as it was high enough

[Nick Drew]

Yes I am amazed that the local council allow him to carry on trading in that location seemed like a really nice village and then you come across that eyesore!!

Not very PC in this day & age.

Heres some more pics of other old kit from my visit.

[Steve Frazier]

Eyesore??? There used to be a similar yard near me where a major contractor in the area stored his retired equipment, it was located next to a hospital. I remember when I was a kid driving by and seeing all that equipment sitting there with weeds growing through it. The word eyesore never crossed my mind, I thought I had found heaven!!!

[bigblueox]

hey thanks guys. i can't believe that i have never found this board before now! here are some pics of the machine i got today.

[Dickie]

That's a unique boom design. First one I've ever seen like that. Is it a "brand trademark" of sorts?

[Nick Drew]

That's a unique boom design. First one I've ever seen like that. Is it a "brand trademark" of sorts?

Great pics BigBlueBox!!

They look a little compressed though??

Dickie,

Poclain being a very innovative company always offered a vast range of different shaped booms and front end equipment, being French they always seemed to have different designs to everyone else??

I have got an info sheet showing all the different combinations somewhere...I will try to locate it:Banghead

[RonG]

I wonder why the house is so high above the tracks,it looks like an old Case with the tilting table.It must be fun to get in and out of,us old guys think of those things.Ron G:D

[bigblueox]

yeah the pics are a bit compressed i had a little trouble uploading them. I finally got to run the machine yesterday! ( a whole 36 hours since delivery!!) It does sit up a bit high and the controls are a bit awkward but for such an old machine it preforms really well. No vices as of yet. I was mucking out the bottom of an old cow pond and ended up digging alot of rock. It seemed to dig really hard until i examined the spoil a little closer. once we got into the clay soil it dosen't hesitate. I still need practice with the controls though they just seem odd.

[Nick Drew]

yeah the pics are a bit compressed i had a little trouble uploading them. I finally got to run the machine yesterday! ( a whole 36 hours since delivery!!) It does sit up a bit high and the controls are a bit awkward but for such an old machine it preforms really well. No vices as of yet. I was mucking out the bottom of an old cow pond and ended up digging alot of rock. It seemed to dig really hard until i examined the spoil a little closer. once we got into the clay soil it dosen't hesitate. I still need practice with the controls though they just seem odd.

Thats Great!! look after her and keep her going, Sure would be nice to see some more pics of the 160 at work ????

[bigblueox]

I was working on my massive fencing project today and had to take down some trees that were a threat to the newly constructed fence. Naturally i was jumping up and down at the opprutunity to play with our not so new hoe. It got a little slippery when i went across the creek but i filled in the ruts with some fill from the pond i've been mucking out. The machine ran well even though i sometimes forget that it weighs 60,000 lbs, i remembered today when i got in to soft stuff! At the end of the day got another section of fence put up and i even cleaned the tracks off really good.

[bigblueox]

Here are some of the other machines we've been using to build fence with. I couldn't imagine trying to build fence without the toolcat. And the dog is my supervisor " ruffy" he's a farm/hevy equipment poodle.

[AJ.]

Hi all I'm new here but been around a little bit,been working on Poclains from the early days,Case buried them like they did David Brown and it hard to keep up with who owns who anymore, I am going to have a go at posting some pictures.
Enjoy
AJ

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[d4c24a]

good to see you here aj :) they are some great pictures i managed to salvage some old manuals and two big case poclain flags from the hook depot when it was demolished cheers graham

[Wulf]

AJ,

Great pics! but hold on old boy that looks like an olde English Aveling Barford 50 tonner you cut off in the first post :mad:

[Countryboy]

Welcome to HEF AJ.! :drinkup

[AJ.]

Thanks for the welcome guys, below is some pictures of a fully functional remote control working model of a Poclain 350CK.
Enjoy
AJ

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[Nick Drew]

Ah yes AJ,

That fantastic working model was built and owned by Peter Happel from Germany, I have had some contact with Peter by email and he has sent me some wonderful shots of his model, but I do not like to post them without his permission, I will ask him if it is ok!!

The model is a real credit to him isn't it!!

Nick.

[Lashlander]

Wow! How much does that weigh. It looks pretty heavy to handle that bucket like it does. Cool pics!:thumbsup

[Wulf]

Fantastic replica (that aint no model is it!)

:eek: In the one shot, the operator is smoking a cigarette, in an enclosed space :eek: Those Europeans are soooo danged irresponsible aren't they!

[Andre]

Hi there,

I found this posting about Peter and his amazing Poclain in 1:5 scale.
In 2006 I did an interview with him where he demonstrates the machine. The video is in german and can be found here (http://www.bauforum24.tv/index.php?site=playmovie&movieid=138).

Best Regards,

Andre

[bobcat ron]

That little digger has to weigh at least half a ton.

[Rockbreaker]

That little digger has to weigh at least half a ton.

In the video he says 600kg so that is close Ron:notworthy

Is my memory bad or was there a model 1200 of the poclain made?

[Rockbreaker]

Weel it seem i have a bad memory.....:Banghead

Found some pics to share anyway:cool:

[coyote]

any idea were to get owners manuals, workshop manuals for old poclains

[d4c24a]

any idea were to get owners manuals, workshop manuals for old poclains


what model poclain manuals are you looking for ??

[coyote]

Gday d4c24a I have a 1985 75pb, its the wheeled one. Thanks

[jhill]

Do a web search. I used Dogpile and found several sources for Poclain manuals including Model 75

Jerry

[Countryboy]

Welcome to Heavy Equipment Forums coyote! :drinkup

[bigblueox]

you might try your case dealer. i have an 85 150 and the manual is a case manual for the equivalent case painted machine. or look up rapidmachinery on google and talk to bernie

[coyote]

Thanks for that guys giving my local case dealer a go and sent a email to Bernie now just have to x the fingers i guess

[Gavin Phillips]

In response to a question, there was no 1200 Poclain machine, the 1000 was the largest they ever got; and was the largest hydraulic excavator in the world for a short period until Germany-based manufacturers started entering the field (O&K, Demag etc).

I found this post somewhat by accident as I was looking for identification features of the smaller Poclain machines (75, 85 and 90) in a somewhat vain hope of getting a model number of this machine which I happened to find today working at a scrapyard in Newcastle up here in the north-east of England:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/balacau/Misc%20stuff/misc/Poclainscraphandler.jpg

There is another yard located on the bank of the river Tyne which also has a Poclain 85 scraphandler, very similarly outfitted to the unidentified machine above; standard mount cab with the long dipper and 5-tine grab.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/balacau/Misc%20stuff/misc/quayside076.jpg

If anyone could ID the top picture for me I'd really appreciate it!

[CabbageThe1]

At the dump where I live they have an old Poclain. I will have to get some pics and post them, I have no clue what model it is but it's big. I think that it is a 200 or a 220 next time that I am up there I will get some pics and post them.

[insleyboy]

We had an old Hc300 poclain. It was (at the time) the largest excavator I had ever seen. Had 2 hammer plates welded at the factory on the stick and boom so they would not hammer the 2 together and blow the cylinders on top of the boom apart. So many pedals and options for pedals in the cab the first time I looked inside I wanted to pretend I knew what the heck I was looking at!. It turned out not to be a bad machine. Problem was someone had let all the hyd. leaks get too low and one of the main pumps cavitated and was never the same. We used to put ATF in the tank, cause It would hold viscosity longer than 10 weight thus giving us a little more time till the next complete change of oil. It was A Huge and Heavy machine for it's time....My friend sold it at Silverdome auction in Pontiac auction around 1995 for 10 grand...

[Iron Horse]

This is an old Poclain i bought to use around my farm , i have since sold it . It was a 26 and a 1/2 ton machine , It was a 125B . In the photo , i was placing a boulder around a pond on the property .

[cat 385]

i used to run a 160,very short tracked ,and took a special blue hyd.oil so every time it had a leak if case did'nt have a drum it would sit for a week waiting to get oil from france,i remember it would run hot.so you would have to open the doors up it looked like it had wings,we would call it the (fying none) also had a switch to lock the tracks so it would not free roll when digging,which was fine untill something happend and you always had to hunt for the switch before you could move.

[Iron Horse]

It run a radial piston hydraulic pump and had an incredible oil pressure . The Deutz 6 cylinder engine ran fore and aft with the pump at the back . It had been sitting in the bush for years with a crook pump . I bought it for scrap price and found a pump for a $1000 . Checked the filters and drained all the components to make sure it was not full of metal and fired it up . It ran like a clock and i drove it straight up on the low loader and took it home .

[Bellboy]

To be honest, those first few pics, someone may have thought that that was a real innovation, but today it is just mubi lelik. Ugly. I'm sorry.

[paulrochester]

In response to a question, there was no 1200 Poclain machine, the 1000 was the largest they ever got; and was the largest hydraulic excavator in the world for a short period until Germany-based manufacturers started entering the field (O&K, Demag etc).

I found this post somewhat by accident as I was looking for identification features of the smaller Poclain machines (75, 85 and 90) in a somewhat vain hope of getting a model number of this machine which I happened to find today working at a scrapyard in Newcastle up here in the north-east of England:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/balacau/Misc%20stuff/misc/Poclainscraphandler.jpg

There is another yard located on the bank of the river Tyne which also has a Poclain 85 scraphandler, very similarly outfitted to the unidentified machine above; standard mount cab with the long dipper and 5-tine grab.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/balacau/Misc%20stuff/misc/quayside076.jpg

If anyone could ID the top picture for me I'd really appreciate it!

The picture is of a 1988 Poclain 85 CKB fitted with rehanding equipment , I was the engineer who looked after this equipment from new , I worked for the selling dealer the north east U.K A Poclain 85 was the top half of a 75 fitted with a 90 under structure to improve ground area when used on this application with long boom and stick /grab . the 75 had a 5 cylinder engine F5L912 , the 90 had a 6cylinder engine fitted F6L912.

[paulrochester]

what model poclain manuals are you looking for ??

Contact me I have the full range of Poclain excavator manuals , they did not make a worksop manual for each model however they did do a mechanics hand book with all the info in it , but if you were not a Poclain engineer they could be hard work, if you have a problem with any part of your equipment , tell me what it is and I may be able to help you as I was Poclain engineer from 1985 untill 2000. I have a understanding of the full range including 60 - 1000 c 61/81 , 88 range . powersensor and the later Sumitomo type Cx range .

[Gavin Phillips]

The picture is of a 1988 Poclain 85 CKB fitted with rehanding equipment , I was the engineer who looked after this equipment from new , I worked for the selling dealer the north east U.K A Poclain 85 was the top half of a 75 fitted with a 90 under structure to improve ground area when used on this application with long boom and stick /grab . the 75 had a 5 cylinder engine F5L912 , the 90 had a 6cylinder engine fitted F6L912.

Thanks alot for the information. :)

I was honestly surprised to see a Poclain still at work on a regular jobsite, especially these days the older machines just get replaced very quickly by machines which are in turn replaced very soon afterwards! :beatsme I cannot remember ever seeing a wheeled Poclain excavator however...

[Dominion 410]

Sure remember those machines.We had three RC-200's,one HC-300 and a 220.Have some pics and will try to post them.They were decent machines for their era,and could do the work.We used Shell Tellus 32 in the winter and 68 in the summer for hydraulic oil.I operated the 200's mainly on sewer/watermain work and some bulk excavation jobs.Good visibilty,reach and balance imo.The short tracks were not much of a problem if you took the time to level up the work area.Sometime had to kick a little dirt under the front of the tracks and walk up on it to help if the machine rocked.Installed an extra hydraulic oil cooler on one of the 200's that was equipped with a NPK H-14X breaker,plus many other "in house" modifications.This helped with keeping the machine at a much lower operating temperature especially in the summer months.Others included exhaust sytem and isolating the engine from the machine frame as they were solid mounted from the factory(steel on steel).

[paulrochester]

Thanks alot for the information. :)

I was honestly surprised to see a Poclain still at work on a regular jobsite, especially these days the older machines just get replaced very quickly by machines which are in turn replaced very soon afterwards! :beatsme I cannot remember ever seeing a wheeled Poclain excavator however...

Yes the wheeled model went from the 60p up to the 125p thats what the "p" Pneumatic was for . there was loads of them in the north east .

[Taylortractornu]

Nick I pick up a Classic Plant and Machinery book every month at the tractor store, usually the only reason I make the 25 mile trip there is that book. I have some older pictures of a TY45 that had a variable geometry boom with a hydraulic side shift like a modern compact. It was amazing for its day. I also enjoyed the MRS articles. I have a friend that introduced me to one of the founders of MRS scrapers and tractors. I also live about 95 miles from ther new site of the Ace of Spades in Akerman MS. We are planning a trip down there in a few weeks.

[Iron Horse]

I had a hot hydraulic oil shower when my old girl split the header tank on the oil cooler while i had the window open . I did'nt know there were so many swear words in my vocabulary .

[Dom]

I assume this company is the same that makes Poclain hydraulic motors? If so, their components are tough!

[juglad]

Hi,

I have recently aquired a poclain 60 13 tonne tracked machine and could do with as much information as possible especially any owner/workshop or mechanic manuals. She is working well with a few hydraulic drips but I would like to keep her running and improve her condition. I see you say you may have some manuals etc. Please contact me asap.

[vilagravilius]

Hi, all.
I have this Poclain 61 wheeled excavator.
I need some spare parts for it, used maybe as the new ones aren't availible.
Can anyone help me with this ?

[bigblueox]

read the earlier pages of this thread. A man named bernie from rapid machinery should be able to help you out. he keeps me going!

[vilagravilius]

Mr. Bernie couldn't help me, he has only Poclain 60. Can someoneelse have Poclain 61 for spares, or maybe new spares somewhere? I need two of hydraulic pump couplings. CASE p/n W7646232 & A6546260 and CASE cannot supply these. Please help

[lazygit]

:BangheadHi there
I`m new to this, I have what I believe to be a Poclain 60/61 tracked digger.
It will not slew properly. I would like to obtain a workshop manual to check out the hydraulic circuits etc. I live in Cambridgeshire,hope you may be able to help
thanks Lazygit.

[Amazon-Poclain]

hi everyone, i have a mc100 for the 76, i am loking for the hidraulic diagrams presure and return diagrams, i will post a picture soon, i am in the middle of the jungle in the amazon area:drinkup

[Amazon-Poclain]

Contact me I have the full range of Poclain excavator manuals , they did not make a worksop manual for each model however they did do a mechanics hand book with all the info in it , but if you were not a Poclain engineer they could be hard work, if you have a problem with any part of your equipment , tell me what it is and I may be able to help you as I was Poclain engineer from 1985 untill 2000. I have a understanding of the full range including 60 - 1000 c 61/81 , 88 range . powersensor and the later Sumitomo type Cx range .

is good to know some one have books of these special machine, i have a old copy of a spare parts book for the mc100 , is in very bad conditions, i hope you can help me with the hidraulic diagram (presure and return lines) i rely dont know what year is my machine, the only rference is a date in the small pump under the pl pump, 76
thanks for your time:notworthy

[juglad]

Hi Paul,
I am still after information or a manual for a poclain 60. please reply to rob@willowgarth.ltd.uk if you can help. Regards - Rob

[RED-355]

Hi guys,

im thinking of buy this old beast. i believe its a SC150.im not sure if it is the K model however. I dont know much about it at all really so i relying on some helpful people on this site to help out!!!

i have a farm so id love one of these. i dont want to spend a whole lot on the purchase price, but over time i dont mind throwing $1000 here and there, just as long as its not heaps. the owner says that the 'beast' runs like a dream and will dig to china. BUT..........the track motors play up, im assuming thats the final drives????? he said once the oil gets hot one drive goes slow and moving from place to place is difficult as it wants to go around in a circle.
i think it has an air cooler Deutz motor in it???, which have a great reputation.

now does anyone know what brand of track motors/final drives this thing would have in it?? ,so i can see if i can get them fixed!!!

also any tips on removing them?? also where can i buy a manual or get some information on it!!!

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[RED-355]

does anyone have the orange colur paint code for a poclain??

[Amazon-Poclain]

Hi guys,

im thinking of buy this old beast. i believe its a SC150.im not sure if it is the K model however. I dont know much about it at all really so i relying on some helpful people on this site to help out!!!

i have a farm so id love one of these. i dont want to spend a whole lot on the purchase price, but over time i dont mind throwing $1000 here and there, just as long as its not heaps. the owner says that the 'beast' runs like a dream and will dig to china. BUT..........the track motors play up, im assuming thats the final drives????? he said once the oil gets hot one drive goes slow and moving from place to place is difficult as it wants to go around in a circle.
i think it has an air cooler Deutz motor in it???, which have a great reputation.

now does anyone know what brand of track motors/final drives this thing would have in it?? ,so i can see if i can get them fixed!!!

also any tips on removing them?? also where can i buy a manual or get some information on it!!!

]

i think i have the same machine you show in the pic, my is a mc100 , i have the same problem when the oil is geting hot, it goes to one side, i change the viscocity for the oil, but ones geting hot start doing again, and the wether ofcourse, my place is hot all the year, try to go to poclainHidraulics, they show the pumps and the motors .
Can you take a picture of the hidraulic pipes and hose and valves, that will help me alot to compare, the last owner chance almost all the pipes for hose for my machine.
Thanks

[RED-355]

ok i will but your machine is a mc100 which means it only has one ram for the boom next to the cabin, whereas the one im looking at has two!!!! id like to seee the pumps etc, but i have no idea what model they are as i dont have any information on the machine!!!!

[Amazon-Poclain]

ok i will but your machine is a mc100 which means it only has one ram for the boom next to the cabin, whereas the one im looking at has two!!!! id like to seee the pumps etc, but i have no idea what model they are as i dont have any information on the machine!!!!

the ram you refer is is a small selector at the side of the seat?
Thanks for the pictures, i will waiting for it, i try to post pic but i cant, maybe i need a site to upload the pics .
leprechaon @ hot mail . com , by mail is more easy to sent pics

thanks again

[Amazon-Poclain]

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here is the track chain, very poor i know, how much life is left and what do you think the price put on some s/h ones?? is it ok to put on tracks that are almost buggered?? where do you draw the line ???

also any ideas how to get the photo to automatically come up???

[diggerdan1]

This machine is called a TY45. No idea what the "T" stands for The "Y" designates 3 point stability (rigid axles rear and single wheel front), the "45" designates approx horsepower. Was a pOCLAINfactory rep for 22 years. No one was ever able to explain the firt letter "T" or any of the others they used G,H, L, R.

Hi All,

I am not sure how popular the French range of excavators "Poclain" were in the US or if you even had them over there??
But here are some shots of an old Poclain TY45 that I recently discovered on a farm in Cornwall England, Quite a strange looking machine with its Triangular base with two small wheels at the front for steering.

These machines were first introduced in the year of my birth 1961!!
This particular model is an early 70's version.

I have recently completed an article about this machine for a British plant magazine that I do a bit for called Classic Plant & Machinery.

So guys any Poclain photos to share??

[diggerdan1]

This is a TY45. Approx 45 HP. Case bought Poclain in 1977. They ruined the company because of lack of sincerity, knowledge, lack of marketing savvy, poor support. Typical Big American buy, as Case was owned by Tenneco. I know, I was with them for 22 years, starting with Poclain in 1969

Ah I see that's interesting would be nice to see if anyone has any photos from the States.

I once operated a Poclain 60 cutting V-ditches back in the 80's as you say it was a good machine.

Sadly they are no more after being gobbled up by the mighty Case organization in 1987.

Here is a picture of a TY45 that has been restored in the town of Crepy in France and is on permanant display near to where the old factory used to be.

Photos courtesy of Peter Happel

[diggerdan1]

Anyone looking for old Poclain parts and service manuals, go to Ebay. I sold all my manuals to a guy in Massachusetes. They are reasonably priced and in very good condition.


hi nick nice pictures, that yard would it be sedgemoor plant by any chance
i have some workshop manuals somewhere for old poclains
the old yard here in hook has just been demoed by two volvos and two hitachi,s :D

[diggerdan1]

SC150 No one has ever been able to explain the first letter "S" (I was factory rep for Poclain for 22 years), "C" designates crawler, 150 designates approx HP. If it has "K" (SCK) it would indicate a "Quarry Bottom", heavier more beefy. The Motors were made by Poclain Hyd. a Good supplier for used parts is rapid construction machinery in Virginia. Very reliable although they did leak a little. These were not built to be obsolete, but to last forever (the machine that is)

i think i have the same machine you show in the pic, my is a mc100 , i have the same problem when the oil is geting hot, it goes to one side, i change the viscocity for the oil, but ones geting hot start doing again, and the wether ofcourse, my place is hot all the year, try to go to poclainHidraulics, they show the pumps and the motors .
Can you take a picture of the hidraulic pipes and hose and valves, that will help me alot to compare, the last owner chance almost all the pipes for hose for my machine.
Thanks

[diggerdan1]

If this machine has a detroit in it (8V71) it would be a model HC300. They made two versions. HC300 and HC300L. Only diff was the bottom was longer on the L. Leakers but very powerful 118,000 lb machine. 2 5/8 cy bucket.

I am helping build a campground on an old gravelpit. At the back of the property is some old machinery. One piece is a big old Case excavator. It is tagged as Made by Poclain. It has a big old Jimmy diesel in it. Its a big machine.

[diggerdan1]

They made three different versions of the MC100. The original had a VonRoll variable flow pump, they modified most of these in U.S. to a fixed displacment pump and and modulation valve system. I know, I modified a bunch of these. Ebay has a guy in Massachusettes that is selling books, I sold him all mine and they are in very good condition. I believe it is Johnson's books. They were basically built in the early 70's. Good source for parts is rapid construction equipment, fredricksberg virginia

is good to know some one have books of these special machine, i have a old copy of a spare parts book for the mc100 , is in very bad conditions, i hope you can help me with the hidraulic diagram (presure and return lines) i rely dont know what year is my machine, the only rference is a date in the small pump under the pl pump, 76
thanks for your time:notworthy

[diggerdan1]

Contact your local Case Dealer. The orange version was made by Case in the U.S. That is if the machine was two tone Orange and Brown (yellowish and Brown)
does anyone have the orange colur paint code for a poclain??

[diggerdan1]

I was Poclain Factory Rep for 22 years. Beginning 1969 Till 1991. I have some relief valves for older Poclain, HC300, GC120, LC80. Pump valve removal tools for the same models (note: you will not be able to remove the pump valves without these tools). Misc O Rings. If you need anything, please let me know.

[Dominion 410]

My father and uncles owned a HC-300 in the late 70's/early 80's.I remember a serviceman from Blackwood-Hodge working on the main hydraulic pump.The tool he used had three prongs on the end and he was changing some tapered seats in either the pump or main control valve-I can't exactly remember as it was in about 1981.That machine had a Deutz F12L-413 engine for power.It was one poweful machine,especially with those twin stick cylinders.It would have kept up to a Cat 245 of the same vintage imo.It would be interesting to see what machine today would touch it on a staight lift.It set eight foot diameter concrete pipe on one job-a Cat 235 from another company would budge one off the ground.Will post some RC-200 pics shortly.The T in TY probably is probably short for the French word "trois" meaning three.

Dominion

[RED-355]

thanks for all the info guys!!

can u help me out here!! im thinking of buying an old poclain. it tracks to one side but. so what i was thinking, was swapping the hydralic lines from the right hand side to the LHS to eliminate if it is the final drive or hyraulic motor on that side!!! what do you think??

[insleyboy]

Was A very powerfull macine for it's time, as Dominion 410 said! I could not believe the things we could do with the HC300 back then. We set manhole sections at depths and distances from the machine I as a laborer at the time, did not think was possible. Our company replaced that machine with a 3500 Insley, then a 330 Cat, but it all comes back to the power of the Poclain for sure!!!

[alexrigg]

I have bought an old poclain GCK 120. I have fixed a bunch of leaks, a big crack accross the top of the boom and a problem with the swing system. I now have a problem with the drive system that may be related to the swing system problem I had earlier.

I have signed up to this forum to see if I could get the opinion of someone with more "poclain" experience.


The drive problem is there is very little power to climb slopes. It is as if the system is in high range. or that one side motor communicates with the other - they both want to go in the same direction when only one lever is operated. And when the swing is operated the drive does not work at all.

This poclain has a detroit 4-71 engine and there is a high range system that appears to apply to the swing as well.

I am looking for any info or perspectives I can get.

[alexrigg]

Further on my original post - I am looking for a hydraulic diagram for my exact model or a GC 120.

I have one for a 115 but it is different.

Can anyone tell me where to get the diagram I seek?

[poclain holland]

I think your turning joint is leaking insite, if you operate one lever, both travelmotors
will drive.
I have a small gc120 diagram and pressures for you, I can scan it for you
and put it on the email if you give your email adress
I have a lot of info about poclain, GCK machines were equiped with deutz 6cil. 514 engines in europe.

[poclain holland]

Also look on www.poclain.be for a lot of poclains

[Amazon-Poclain]

I think your turning joint is leaking insite, if you operate one lever, both travelmotors
will drive.
I have a small gc120 diagram and pressures for you, I can scan it for you
and put it on the email if you give your email adress
I have a lot of info about poclain, GCK machines were equiped with deutz 6cil. 514 engines in europe.

yep, or probably is the viscocity of the oil, look for temp.

i have a mc100 , everytime the oil is hot, this machine goes crazy, i said sit down , and she goes forward or laid down..... crazy machine.

do you have mc 100 poclain diagrams and hidraulic diagrams? that will be great,
leprechaon @ hot mail . com

thanks

[Amazon-Poclain]

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=es&geocode=&q=lago+agrio&sll=0.108533,-76.870222&sspn=0.02017,0.027466&ie=UTF8&ll=0.072532,-76.890607&spn=0.002521,0.005472&t=h&z=18

[insleyboy]

Love that website Poclain Holland! Much to see in the development from what looks like the 50's till modern day.

[poclain holland]

Oke thanks, if you visit updates and poclain pics from John van der Zee
you can see a lot of poclain photo's from my collection and the TC45
I restored some years ago.
there are also by some friends in holland, Belgium, France, Germany a lot of working old poclain in running condition
Generation Deux is a club from the factory personel from poclain, you can also
visit this site at www.poclain.be for the poclain history
I am also a member of Gene.deux in France, so if necessary I can get all factory info from poclain I need.

John.

[Buckethead]

Poclain circa 1978 I don't know what model #. Can anybody identify it?

[poclain holland]

This is an LC80 poclain, these were fery fine machines to operate
the first came in 1967, with an 6 cil. air cooled Alsthom (Agrom) engine, we called this
engine a imitation deutz. later equiped with a 6 cil. deutz 912
Where is this machine working?

[Buckethead]

This is an LC80 poclain, these were fery fine machines to operate
the first came in 1967, with an 6 cil. air cooled Alsthom (Agrom) engine, we called this
engine a imitation deutz. later equiped with a 6 cil. deutz 912
Where is this machine working?

Thank you! :notworthy Holland I don't know where the machine is now, unfortunately. I believe the pic was taken in New Jersey, USA in 1978, and the machine was rented from or on demonstration from the Poclain dealer.

[Dominion 410]

Poclain RC-200 pics.This machine was purchased new in 1972,sold in 1990.My dad and uncles had three of these machines at on time.The first project this machine worked on was a trunk sewer installation forty feet deep.Two twenty foot bench's with trench box .These machines completed many sewer/watermain jobs and were decent in their day.They seemed to have better balance even though the track frames were short compared to today's rigs.I operated them many times-smooth and strong for their size.

[RED-355]

i still cant find a workshop manual for a sc150!!!

i managed to a operator manual from melbourne ,Australia,

any ideas????

[RED-355]

the old beast! :bash it looks a little hammered dont you think!!

[RED-355]

more pictures!!

[Fixing-it]

Contact me I have the full range of Poclain excavator manuals , they did not make a worksop manual for each model however they did do a mechanics hand book with all the info in it , but if you were not a Poclain engineer they could be hard work, if you have a problem with any part of your equipment , tell me what it is and I may be able to help you as I was Poclain engineer from 1985 untill 2000. I have a understanding of the full range including 60 - 1000 c 61/81 , 88 range . powersensor and the later Sumitomo type Cx range .

Hi Paul
I noticed from your thread that you have worked on Poclains in the past.I wondered if you could give me some advice.The pump on my old Leibherr excavator has packed up (can't get a replacement at a sensible price) and I have been told I could use a Poc 75 triple pump as a substitute?
My question is on the triple pump was one of the outputs set at servo pressure and if so which one? Any info greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[snowmobile]

First post....First I would like to say HI....my brother in law and I just walked into this OLD poclain 120 we think from the 60s... it has been sitting for a long time and we got it running last weekend and hope to make it a living beast that we can use around the yard.....as soon as I can figure out why I cant post pic I will post some....I will need some help for sure!!!! thanks

[Amazon-Poclain]

http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy61/amazon-poclain_photo/imagen002.jpg
the beast in the meddle of the jungle

[AtlasRob]

as soon as I can figure out why I cant post pic I will post some....I will need some help for sure!!!! thanks

Welcome aboard snowmobile, keep posting as once you have three you will be able to add pictures.

[gbdigger]

Great thread, back in the 80's we purchased an old 300 shovel, those pictures sure brought back memories. Thing was a good machine until the deutz blew up, stupid superintendent (former stupid mechanic) decided to replace it with a 4 cyl. Cat engine out of a gen set :Pointhead, didn't have enough RPM to properly turn the pump we kept turning up the pressures to get it to work right and this caused consent oil leaks, oh the old days.

[snowmobile]

Well we got the thing running pretty good....every thing works but the cab only spins one way...the popet and seat for that hyd valve are broken and need replaced....I hope we can find the parts or a retro kit. It is a marrel hydro valve. I think a pressure relif valve. Its late and I will post more in the am....thanks

[snowmobile]

The valve stack is a marrel hydro fd2605-s16 01436-10 # 254.270

we just need parts ...but not to sure if that is possible...ok third post now I can post pics!!!

[snowmobile]

Well this is it....it is now out of the woods and somewhat power washed :drinkup :drinkup...the other pics were left at camp with my camera....there is also a 1958 john deere 440 dozer we got up and running...

[stock]

Is that a NAN or TE20 in the pictures? wheels suggest a NAN or 9N.

[snowmobile]

Ford 2N

[Amazon-Poclain]

need a little help
my mc100 have a modern pump, is a pl pump for poclain, all the hydraulic lines are conect properly, but not the arm or the wheels have enougt force , the only problem i think know if is a diference betwen the original pump , "some one know thw brand of the original pump"
my english is better than my poclain
thanks guys

[Amazon-Poclain]

the parts book say, the hk88 b03 is the pump, :beatsme :Banghead

[Amazon-Poclain]

http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv225/amazon-poclain/Imagen009.jpg


the pl pump on my mc100

[Amazon-Poclain]

http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv225/amazon-poclain/th_Imagen009.jpg (http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv225/amazon-poclain/?action=view&current=Imagen009.jpg)

trying to post a pic, i guees

[Amazon-Poclain]

mc100

[Komatsu Bucyrus]

Yｕｔａｎｉ-Poclain LY80
http://www55.tok2.com/home2/history/tp2/1.jpg
http://www55.tok2.com/home2/history/tp2/2.jpg

http://www55.tok2.com/home2/history/tp2.html


ｙｕｔａｎｉ-Poclain TY45
http://www55.tok2.com/home2/history/album1-13.html

[Amazon-Poclain]

this happens when you replace pipes for hoses..........take a look:notworthy

[Amazon-Poclain]

Contact me I have the full range of Poclain excavator manuals , they did not make a worksop manual for each model however they did do a mechanics hand book with all the info in it , but if you were not a Poclain engineer they could be hard work, if you have a problem with any part of your equipment , tell me what it is and I may be able to help you as I was Poclain engineer from 1985 untill 2000. I have a understanding of the full range including 60 - 1000 c 61/81 , 88 range . powersensor and the later Sumitomo type Cx range .

can you help me with the mc100 mechanic hand book or catalog parts , that will be great
leprechaon@hotmail.com
i need to compare the original parts with the ones i have in my machine
thanks:D

[dozerdave]

Hi Guys,

I operated a Poclain like the one on rubber one time. The company was looking for tunnel muckers and a Poclain salesman talked the master mechanic into trying it. It had power to burn but other issues ruled it out as a tunnel mucker.

[poclain holland]

very nice GC120, do you have more pics out of the woods?

Try to find poclain parts by CNH www.casece.com
CNH still ownes poclain, you can allways try
otherwise I can look in europe for parts.

[poclain holland]

some pics. from poclain GC120 and LC80 late '60s
in the Netherlands.

[poclian 60]

here are a few pics of my poclain 60 during a restore project thet im currenty doing
more to folow

[poclian 60]

images

[heavylift]

I worked for a company that had one demo'ed for them, mid 70's. Poclain brought an operator from NY to demo it... load trucks. I swear the dirt was still in the air. by the time he got back to the truck, with the next bucket.
Pretty amazing machine compared to the A model deere we had.
Never did get to run the Poclain...

[Ron Light]

47985

47986

1990 Case 125-B (Poclain) 53,000 pounds, I bought it in 1995.
It has been a good machine for me.

Ron

[poclian 60]

poclain 60 hydraulic leaks

[ICCOBRAS]

hi, i bougth a Poclain 220ckb, the motor DEutz is broken, I need the manual of the excavator, can help me please?

[Adolph August]

Further on my original post - I am looking for a hydraulic diagram for my exact model or a GC 120.

I have one for a 115 but it is different.

Can anyone tell me where to get the diagram I seek?

If you are still looking for a hydraulic diagram for the gc 120, I do have a parts book and will email you pages that I consider revalent > I have a 120 that I play with. The big problem with it is leaks. Adolph August email- dubucs@tds.net

[kaveman]

Just bought a 125B identical to Ron's yesterday and hoping I have good luck with it.

[Casepoclain]

The first machine I learned how to run was a 977K... then the RC 200 on my grandfather's development company. I was 13. You had to be an octopus to run it. Ours was different from what I've seen, it had two foot controls for the stick and bucket. I'm now 31... the Poclain has been gone for 2 years now, it had to go once we built the new house to help pay for it. I really regret cutting it up. Saved all the motors and pumps, but then Rapid Hydraulics backed out, so they got scrapped, he does have the engine. It would dig rock like no other machine I've run since. It was so slow... could eat lunch between buckets, but wow it would pull anything apart. We had 2 RC 200's 3 GC 120's and a 100. We "modernized" with a Case 170B... it was junk, then Pap went out of business. I still have Dad's 888 with 6600 hours on it, needs the punps rebuilt, but works on the farm. It has been replaced with a Kobelco 160. The Polcain literally had 15,000 hours it in... 4th engine, atleast 3 set of pumps. I would love to buy one if one is available!!!

[snowmobile]

""I would love to buy one if one is available!!! "" we have one in MI if it is the 120 you are talking about...she is ruff but the price is rite

[Komatsu 150]

The first machine I learned how to run was a 977K... then the RC 200 on my grandfather's development company. I was 13. You had to be an octopus to run it. Ours was different from what I've seen, it had two foot controls for the stick and bucket. I'm now 31... the Poclain has been gone for 2 years now, it had to go once we built the new house to help pay for it. I really regret cutting it up. Saved all the motors and pumps, but then Rapid Hydraulics backed out, so they got scrapped, he does have the engine. It would dig rock like no other machine I've run since. It was so slow... could eat lunch between buckets, but wow it would pull anything apart. We had 2 RC 200's 3 GC 120's and a 100. We "modernized" with a Case 170B... it was junk, then Pap went out of business. I still have Dad's 888 with 6600 hours on it, needs the punps rebuilt, but works on the farm. It has been replaced with a Kobelco 160. The Polcain literally had 15,000 hours it in... 4th engine, atleast 3 set of pumps. I would love to buy one if one is available!!!

Good grief, did I take that wrong? 4 engines in 15000 hours is terrible.

[Casepoclain]

4 engines in 15,000 hours... well may be it was 4 engines between the 2 RC 200's... I was pretty young back then. I know it was last rebuilt in 1995 by Stauffers in Harrisburg, then retired to farm duty in 1996. I know one was locked up by the genious operator (changed oil and forgot the drain plug, so that was his first and last day at work). My grandfather liked Deutz so well, we had 3 Deutz farm tractors, the one probably had nearly 10,000 on the factory engine.

No real use for the 120, really looking for the RC 200. If you have some pictures of the 120 and price, let me know... I talk to lots of people around here.

[Dominion 410]

Casepoclain,your 200's were set-up with the same controls I used to operate.From the factory,they had a pedal attached to the bucket control lever.A second pedal was usually added to the stick control lever to make operating a little easier.I know where there is a RC-200 about 80 miles from here.The owner does'nt want to part with it yet,but would sure like to see it in the yard here someday.I have some pictures posted on here of one of the 200's my dad and uncles had.

Dominion:canada

[Casepoclain]

I would like to find one too, I'm glad to hear there are still some around. If I had one it would probably be painted up nice and sit infront of the shop, and visit the steam show 2x a year. We live very near Brownsville, Pa with the National Steam and Gas Show.

So those pedals weren't unique to ours? The one I learned on had the stick in the right foot and the bucket in the left if memory serves, but the one that was junked first only had a stick pedal, which was a pain to switch machines. They looked like someone took a torch and chopped the lever off and attached the pedal. Couldn't tell if that was homemade.

[Dominion 410]

I've seen them set-up like ours with the stick control on a pedal,and also with the swing on a pedal.Not to fussy about the foot swing,imo.The 200's were good machines and had good power for there size.They had three speed travel,back when most other's had single speed.There was a selector lever beside the operators seat that had three postions.If the selector was placed in the middle postion,the second hydraulic pump would help in the travel.The second pump helped when making a heavy lift,reducing the attachment speed but really boosting lift capacity.
One thing I really notice compared to today's equipment is in the undercarriage.The track frames were short but higher in design as compared to say a Cat 330.But when digging in tough going such as rock trench,the 200's seemed quite solid on there feet.The 330's seem to not have this going for them.
The Poclain HC-300 was by far the strongest backhoe that I have had dealings with in the fifty ton range. One of those would give a Cat 345 a go anyday in a straight lift.Not as fast digging wise,but put a 60" wide bucket on a 345 in hardpan,our 300 had a 60" bucket 2 7/8 cu.yd. and it would literally have sparks coming off the bucket teeth.It was plain tough,and with the wrong operator would pull itself apart.The 345's don't have enough weight built into them,at least in the fixed guage undercarriage.

Dominion:canada

[poclain holland]

My first restored 1966, poclain TC45 in the Netherlands
note the tracks for the dutch wet grounds
the 3rd foto is a standard layout of poclain levers

[bigrus]

Like to see a modern day excavator operator be "productive" in there :eek:

[Dominion 410]

That is a nice looking restoration:drinkup:drinkup.
Having spent my share of time on a RC-200,am well versed with the lever set-up.The two levers directly in front of the operator are for travel,one for each track.The lever bank from left to right,1-bucket,2-red lever is for swing,3-stick or arm,4-boom.The picture with the operator in it shows him holding the two levers for boom and stick with one hand.Swing was left hand,and bucket was on a foot pedal or lever.Lot's of operators used them like that.Some places used to set-up a second pedal on the stick lever.We had them like that.A little getting used to, but those machines could do a decent day's work.Easier to repair and maintain than todays machines by far.May be not as fast or fancy,but they will get the job done.A steady pace and lack of wasted movements wins every time.
As a modern day operator being productive,most would get onto them fairly easily.Might curse a little at first,but it's mind over machine.

Dominion

[poclain holland]

thanks Dominion, its me operating my poclain. if your poclain become older
you need longer fingers on your right hand to operate the levers.
now I found an International 3964 excavator to restore, a new project.
I hope to see your RC200 pics in the future.

[Dominion 410]

Hi,Poclain Holland

Have some pictures of one of the 200's on this thread on page 8.My father and uncles had three RC-200's,an HC-300(with 12 cyl.Deutz engine)and a Poclain 220(V-10 Deutz engine).Got a lot of hard work out of those machines.They were always in tough digging,rock trench,hard pan,frozen ground in the winter month's.Back before we had bought the first hydraulic breaker in the region.An NPK H14X breaker was installed on one of the 200's in 1980.Equipment Domar from Montreal did the installation in our shop.It was quite the attachment to have working,and saved alot of unecessary labour and breakdowns.

Dominion:canada

[palacemasonry]

does anyone know of a website to verify cat equipment year and manufature ??

thanks

[AtlasRob]

does anyone know of a website to verify cat equipment year and manufature ??


There are several I believe but this is one I saved after somebody else posted.

http://www.ironrecord.com/

[palacemasonry]

There are several I believe but this is one I saved after somebody else posted.

http://www.ironrecord.com/

THANKS ALOT THIS IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR :usa:usa:notworthy:notworthy

[opeltwinturbo]

I would like to find one too, I'm glad to hear there are still some around. If I had one it would probably be painted up nice and sit infront of the shop, and visit the steam show 2x a year. We live very near Brownsville, Pa with the National Steam and Gas Show.

So those pedals weren't unique to ours? The one I learned on had the stick in the right foot and the bucket in the left if memory serves, but the one that was junked first only had a stick pedal, which was a pain to switch machines. They looked like someone took a torch and chopped the lever off and attached the pedal. Couldn't tell if that was homemade.

With the inventory you described your Grandfather must be Charlie Metz? If so, he was a customer of mine during the 70's and early 80's. Linda was buying the stuff then. Yard was off I70. Small world. You got the 120's from Beckwith Machinery in the early 70's(the Cat dealer). Didn't he also have a big MF 88 front end loader?

[Casepoclain]

You are correct! Those 120's came new? I know Beckwith was a Poclain dealer before Cat started making their own machines. Pap passed away in 2002 and Linda managed to not probate the will and she ended up with everything, cut most of it up to feed her coke habit. My Dad was Randy, he did a lot of the sewer and water lines and some of the strip mining. I didn't come until the last 70's, so I don't remember any of the wheel loaders, but I know they had a Hough 400, but anything is possible. Do you remember the Deutz tractors? I have one of them.