994F Loader

[Cat Dr.]

Just thought I'd share a pic or two of the big girls!
We have a 994D, would love to see the F series, hopefully don't leak as much oil but!

[biggixxerjim]

that bucket looks a little small compared to the machine....

[Cat Dr.]

the rock buckets usually do look small, the coal buckets are fairly big but.
Heres another pic of one...

[Dozerboy]

That's a whole lot of Armoral on those tires.

[Wulf]

that bucket looks a little small compared to the machine....

Looks like they took two 980 buckets and welded them together... seriously what's the cu yd of that bucket cat dr?

[Cat Dr.]

Looks like they took two 980 buckets and welded them together... seriously what's the cu yd of that bucket cat dr?

Can't say what size without knowing the part # of the bucket on it, but in the 994F brochure on CAT's website they vary from 18-25 cubic yards for rock buckets (14-19 cubic metres) , and 41 cubic yards (31 cubic metres) for the coal bucket!
Dependent on bucket size and hardware options the operating weight varies from 191 to 195 tonnes
Looks pretty good in the white, until the first hose blows!

[rino1494]

Wow, I would love to see one of those in person. Biggest loader I saw was a 992.

[farm_boy]

Ahhhh...that is just a little guy!:D

http://www.letourneau-inc.com/pdf/equipment/mining/50_Series_Brochure.pdf

[RonG]

Too bad they built it backwards like the old hough/case loaders where you sit on the front articulation instead of the rear like everyone else has done.What a miserable configuration that was to run.Ron G

[equipment fan]

WOW!!!:eek: thats a very big bucket.At Bauma 2007 caterpillar will be introduce a new big wheel loader.Has anybody of you have more informations on this new loader?This loader that will be introduce at Bauma 2007 is the
991k.PLEASE,if you have information on this loader,reply me!

THANKS and :notworthy for the cat 994f.

equipment fan:cool2

[Woodstock]

I Went to our tractor supply co. today and found a magazine called Classic Plant and Machinery it is very interesting. It has a lot of old iron in it and some new. There is a bunch on pictures of the LeTourneau in it and it looks like is does turn from the back, not the front like Case. Some pictures can be decieving to. I Searched Classic Plant and Machinery, but they want you to buy the magazine though.

[Cat Dr.]

WOW!!!:eek: thats a very big bucket.At Bauma 2007 caterpillar will be introduce a new big wheel loader.Has anybody of you have more informations on this new loader?This loader that will be introduce at Bauma 2007 is the
991k.PLEASE,if you have information on this loader,reply me!

THANKS and :notworthy for the cat 994f.

equipment fan:cool2

I'm not 100% sure but I'm led to believe the loader on the left is the 992K, the one on the right is a 992G, allegedly it's in field trials at the moment.

[equipment fan]

Hi cat dr.i see your picture and i believe that it`s the 992k on the left.It`s probably true.Cat as probably made the 992k bigger than the 992g.Thanks for the picture :thumbsup .

[ben46a]

Think 993 & 991..........

[komatsukid]

i wonder why they did not incorporate the "mono boom" design from the G series into the new K series loader?

[ben46a]

Well word has it you will see that system go bye bye. I guess it wasnt as good as it seemed.

[Tigerotor77W]

Think 993 & 991..........

Really?

[farm_boy]

What about the 984? There are rumors of some 90K-100K proto-types running around Tinaja Hills:D

[Lashlander]

Well word has it you will see that system go bye bye. I guess it wasnt as good as it seemed.

I never could see how a boom that narrow could hold up. Theres just to much leverage on the outside the bucket unless your square to the bank. However, I don't think operators would dig harder with one side would they?:)

[Countryboy]

Maybe we can talk 991K when it makes its public debute.......keep thinking mono-boom though. :D

[Ford LT-9000]

The one local gravel mine used to have a 992 but they got rid of it and bought two 988 size machine. The cost of tires was one of the reason and the other reason is fuel consumption.

I'am pretty sure Finnings Canada (Cat) still has wheel loaders sitting on blocks waiting for tires to put on the new loaders.

[Lashlander]

Maybe we can talk 991K when it makes its public debute.......keep thinking mono-boom though. :D

Do you have a mono boom machine? If so how do you like it as opposed to the old style. I've never been around one. I thought it might be a pain because of having to look around the boom, just speculation though.

[Countryboy]

As for what we have that I can talk about: 992G, 990G and 988G. The 992 and 988 are mono-boom (long boom) and the 990 is a double boom (short boom). The long boom is a little less stable than the short boom when the bucket is raised since the center of gravity is higher. As far as the durability goes, they are about the same. Being in the aggregate business, they have a hard life running 24 hrs a day, 6 days a week in a muck pile. Both types of booms hold up pretty equal though. I personally prefer the long boom as it has more reach as opposed to visibility as the visibility is not terribly different.

[Lashlander]

Thanks for the reply. It just seemed to me the mono boom has so much leverage on the outside cornors that it would stress out.

[Countryboy]

Thanks for the reply. It just seemed to me the mono boom has so much leverage on the outside cornors that it would stress out.

As far as our experience goes we have never had a problem with the different design which is not to say we are just lucky. I'm sure if the corners of the bucket were used 100% of the time to dig then failure might be common. I agree though, it would seem that the double boom design would be stronger due to the geometry of the set up but I have no proof of either as we have very little problems out of either one.

[komatsukid]

i found it kind of odd that Cat may faze out the "mono boom". useually when Cat designs a new product such as the "mono boom" they stay with there design. oh well i cant speculate about the performance besause i have never had the pleasure of operating the "mono boom".

[Countryboy]

I don't think you have to worry about the mono-boom going anywhere.....:wink2

[Cat Dr.]

Well word has it you will see that system go bye bye. I guess it wasnt as good as it seemed.

Yeah cat are going back to the ladder type boom, due too strength issues, there was a prototype 994(G) (See Below) with a mono boom but they couldn't get it strong enough, and if anyone has ever operated a 992G (especially High Lift) they're a pig of a thing with the boom in the air!
They're a bit savage on bottom pivot pins and bearings too! just got the one dirty great big pin through the centre!

[Countryboy]

Yeah cat are going back to the ladder type boom, due too strength issues, there was a prototype 994(G) (See Below) with a mono boom but they couldn't get it strong enough, and if anyone has ever operated a 992G (especially High Lift) they're a pig of a thing with the boom in the air!
They're a bit savage on bottom pivot pins and bearings too! just got the one dirty great big pin through the centre!

We have never really had any issues with our mono-booms and I know for a fact that 2 large new models will still have them. I don't think they are gonna be gone yet. The operators here like them better than the double boom design. It will be interesting to see what happens none the less.

[itsgottobegreen]

I wish I had one of those with a 30' protech snow pusher. That would get snow moved fast at the airport.

[Cat Dr.]

We have never really had any issues with our mono-booms and I know for a fact that 2 large new models will still have them. I don't think they are gonna be gone yet. The operators here like them better than the double boom design. It will be interesting to see what happens none the less.
I'm only speaking of the large loaders (992, 994 etc) but yeah they may well keep them for smaller loaders, prob don't have the strength issues with them

Cheers

[MetalDragon_boy]

Its pretty obvious why they make the K verision...

G = Gay
K = Kool


***

[alco]

It's going to be interesting, we are replacing a 988F this year and with what we use them for, I'm not sure a mono boom would hold up at all. I have a feeling we will be seeing a new WA 600 instead of a new 988. We handle 100 to 120 fot long pipes with our 988F's and the flex is absolutely amazing even with the twin lift arms, I can't imagine a mono boom staying together very long.

Brian

[Gavin84w]

With the cast box boom you have to realise the design goals for the 992G from when they changed from the Z bar. Customers were asking for more engine life from the next loader = 3412 out 3508 in but with a big weight gain.
How to keep the weight similar so tyre size does not increase = cast box boom - 3 times as strong as the z bar and lighter. What you need to remember is the z bar had massive mechanical advantage and breakout was never a problem. Cast box boom is large hyd excavator design if you think about it. Ist generation had seal issues but it is well and truely solved.Nearly 1000 machines sold so you can work out if it is any good and dont tell me the customer does not have a choice to by as there are a couple of Z bar option brand X loaders out there.

The design was tried on a larger scale but this and the 992K design proved that the design limit was reached with what they had.The 991K is the 992G and will not be offered with high lift arrangement. Feedback i have on the 992K is that the field follow machines are doing well and some Australian customers that have seen them can not wait to get there hands on them when they become available later this year. I would hope the Australian debut will be at Minexpo 2007 in Sydney

[digger242j]

Gavin84w, welcome to the forums! :)

You seem to speak with some authority on the subject of loader booms. May I ask what your background is?

[Gavin84w]

Yeh thanks digger, see a couple of other familiar names on hear so all looks to be in good hands.

Mate i am just an old dealer guy who takes a bit more than a passing interest in my chosen habit, i mean profession!!

You get a lot of BS on some of these boards and it is not fair to let it go because there genuinly are people on here willing to learn and perhaps enter the game, heck we need all we can get so i just like to set the record straight if it needs it.

Even on these boards the BS guys get found out pretty quick

I had heard that the 992 may be dropped and become the 993 but it would be a cardinal sin to drop that numbering. That said the guys coming up with the numbers nowadays dont seem to care to much for tradition as we now have a wheel loader (991K) ending with an odd number. Previuosly 900 family odd numbers were track loaders (955,973,977 etc) and WL (966,972,988 etc) but thats progress and like oil we are running out of numbers. 770 truck is also a victim of this scenario. But that is progress and no need to get hung up on it

[Wulf]

...Customers were asking for more engine life from the next loader = 3412 out 3508 in but with a big weight gain.
How to keep the weight similar so tyre size does not increase

Hi Gavin, In my experience with use of new materials, higher injection pressures, miniaturisation of fuel components and turbos etc. major components are becoming smaller and making more HP/KG

That being said so the 3508 is that significantly heavier than its 3412 predecessor that it required a boom redesign?... simplistically... and I'm not trying to be a smarta** here...why didn't they just lighten up the counterweight?

[Tigerotor77W]

Second digger's message -- alco and Gavin84W, thanks for sharing your experience. Your knowledge and experience is flattering.

(This doesn't discredit the other brainiacs here... I'm just glad that to see our knowledge base growing. Now I need to think of all those questions I have...)

[Countryboy]

The design was tried on a larger scale but this and the 992K design proved that the design limit was reached with what they had.The 991K is the 992G and will not be offered with high lift arrangement.

First off, Welcome to HEF Gavin84w! :drinkup

Can you elaborate on the "991K is the 992G" quote?

And may I ask what you consider the high lift arrangement?

[alco]

Not to jump in before Gavin has a chance to reply, but I believe the 992G will be renumbered as the 991K. Of course it will not be a straight renumbering, as upgrades and changes will no doubt be made. There will also be a new loader introduced that I have heard called the 992K. It will be a loader to fit in between the 992G and 994F. Of course, this is what I have understood from what I have been told and it may not be exactly right....only time will tell for sure.

Brian

[Gavin84w]

Hey Wulf i know you are not being a smarta$$ and i am all for the "KISS" principle but what you have to realise is that being on the cutting edge of engineering at Cat needs to be a bit more elaborate than just loseing counterweight, can you imagine an engineer presenting his new idea of loseing counterweight in the boardroom at Cat? i think not. Wulf you are spot on with your other quote, the engine in the 992K is a C-32 which is basically a 3412 block with your higher inj pressures, different materials and a couple of other tricks added. The 92K will be a true production loader with the 785 size truck now as it is getting a big jump in size from the G

The 991K for all intents will be based on the 992G. Currently a high lift version (longer boom) is available for the 992G but this will not be offered on the 991K -dont want to cut into the next size up machines category

With the closing of the 992 - 994 gap i think you can all guess the upsizeing the next generation 994 will get, my guess just a tad bigger than the other big mechanical loader.

[Countryboy]

Currently a high lift version (longer boom) is available for the 992G but this will not be offered on the 991K -dont want to cut into the next size up machines category.

I beg to differ. I'm willing to bet that the 991K will have a long boom option.

[PAcattech]

I willing to bet there is no 991K

[Countryboy]

I willing to bet there is no 991K

How much and where can I meet you to shake on it....

[Gavin84w]

Well considering Cat dropped the 991 idea somewhere beetween November last year and Bauma and the press releases from Bauma and on Cats website back in April said they will introduce 2 new large wheel loaders, that being the 992K and 993K i dont think you will be getting any bets anytime soon PAcattech. All the info released last year at the Cat mining forums had the machine as a 991K, pics, specs the lot and it was to only be offered in STD lift arrangement-no high lift available. Somewhere in there i think some more thought was had about the proposed renumbering and it must have made more sense to go the 993 for the bigger loader instead of the 992 becoming a 991. I think that also as the 854 is made from a 992 this may have had a bearing on the renumbering also.

By the way would you like to take a bet that the 992K will only be offered in STD lift?

[PAcattech]

Oh sure Gavin I think I had A bet In the works with countryboy But I guess it would be unfair considering I've been living with this one since about november since I put it together

[digger242j]

Oh sure Gavin I think I had A bet In the works with countryboy But I guess it would be unfair considering I've been living with this one since about november since I put it together

Dang it. I was gonna offer to hold the money for you and CB too.

[Gavin84w]

PAcattech drop us a mail at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Have a couple of questions for you

[Steve Frazier]

Gavin, I removed you email address from the post. By posting an address, you expose yourself to spam bots which surf the net in search of email addresses. When they find one, they harvest it and it gets sold to spammers. You'll be hammered with spam like you've never imagined.

Drop PAcattech a PM with your address, it's safer.

[MetalDragon_boy]

PAcattech what kind of loader is that? 990?

[Countryboy]

Oh sure Gavin I think I had A bet In the works with countryboy But I guess it would be unfair considering I've been living with this one since about november since I put it together

For a little clarification PAcattech, I was betting on your statement exactly how it was worded. I know for a fact that there is atleast one that was already produced, as I see it everyday. :wink2

Whether they keep the numbering or not is not clear though because the "powers that be" can change that at will. :drinkup

[Tigerotor77W]

PAcattech what kind of loader is that? 990?

No... 991K.

[Edit: shows my age! It's been renamed, apparently, the 992K.]

How is the machine?

[PAcattech]

The machine picture is what was to be a 991k but about two months ago Cat has decieded to make it a 992 k and the other loader out as field follow is going to be 993 k

[PAcattech]

C. B the machine you see everyday is also going to be a 992k also there are three out as field follows yours near atlanta , one near saint louis, and mine here in PA I guess there is an 854 somewhere in alabama

[Countryboy]

C. B the machine you see everyday is also going to be a 992k also there are three out as field follows yours near atlanta , one near saint louis, and mine here in PA I guess there is an 854 somewhere in alabama

So when are they gonna send us the new decals? ;)

[mitchell2905]

I'm not 100% sure but I'm led to believe the loader on the left is the 992K, the one on the right is a 992G, allegedly it's in field trials at the moment.

When did Cat come out with the "K" series?? They don't show it on their website.

[Countryboy]

Welcome to HEF mitchell2905! :drinkup

I don't think that information has been released yet. The pictures you see are of Field Test Models.

[Tigerotor77W]

Cat had the 992K at Bauma, actually, and the news releases should be on the Cat website.

[Countryboy]

Cat had the 992K at Bauma, actually, and the news releases should be on the Cat website.

Thanks for the clarification Tiger. :drinkup

So you can go out and buy one now? :confused:

[mitchell2905]

I am big on simplicity, so I will stay loyal to the mono-boom. Our 2 992Gs run 20 hrs a day, and have never encountered boom troubles. They dig both clay and shot rock. PAcattech, where are all the pretty decals on your 992??

[Tigerotor77W]

Thanks for the clarification Tiger. :drinkup

So you can go out and buy one now? :confused:

Me personally, no -- I don't have even a thousandth of the funds to buy one. :(

But I do think dealers can order them... I didn't check, though, so that's really a guess, not a fact.

[JimBruce42]

Hey PAcattech,

Nice photos, are those the new 777f's that it's loading? What part of PA do you hail from?

[mitchell2905]

yep, those are the new 777F series. I wish we had new trucks like that

[Countryboy]

The proof behind my statements. ;)

They had it parked between the 992 and the 990. I'll try to get a picture of the rest of it tomorrow.

8229

[Tigerotor77W]

The proof behind my statements. ;)

They had it parked between the 992 and the 990. I'll try to get a picture of the rest of it tomorrow.

8229

Having been out of the Cat organization for even as little as a year now... I can't keep the numbers straight.

But yuppers, the 991K is out of the box (since Bauma).

[Countryboy]

But yuppers, the 991K is out of the box (since Bauma).

So they did stick with the 991K numbering?

[DaveVB]

Too bad they built it backwards like the old hough/case loaders where you sit on the front articulation instead of the rear like everyone else has done.What a miserable configuration that was to run.Ron G

If you glance at the picture, the cab mounts go to the rear of the machine.

[Tigerotor77W]

So they did stick with the 991K numbering?

That's what I was unsure about. I had thought that the 992K and 993K were launched at Bauma (not the 991K and 992K), but again, it's been so long that I haven't been keeping track.

I believe it'll be the 992K and 993K that we should see.

[PAcattech]

I bet yah A months pay country boy that those decals will be getting scraped off

[Countryboy]

I bet yah A months pay country boy that those decals will be getting scraped off

No betting this time. I'm pretty sure its going to happen too. ;)

But, until then I'm going to take some more pictures of the "Machine that will be no more". Might be some rare pictures one day.

A question for you.....in the pictures you posted above, where are the decals for it? Did they leave them off because they would eventually have to come off anyway or was it more for staying under the "radar" with an un-released machine?

[Eric]

Here's our new 994F, matches well with our 789's. This thing is awsome, comfortable, powerful, and dadgum FAST. It'll outmuck our 5230 in good digging. It even has a buddy seat!
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w109/ebeng5/101_1389.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w109/ebeng5/101_1388.jpg

[Tigerotor77W]

Awesome pics, Eric... you're spoiling us quite well!

Countryboy -- I didn't see your question until now, but let's just say that it can be difficult for people to make up their minds on naming convention sometimes.

[Eric]

Here's the old 992 C.

[Eric]

Here's a couple more.

[PETE379]

Yeh thanks digger, see a couple of other familiar names on hear so all looks to be in good hands.

Mate i am just an old dealer guy who takes a bit more than a passing interest in my chosen habit, i mean profession!!

You get a lot of BS on some of these boards and it is not fair to let it go because there genuinly are people on here willing to learn and perhaps enter the game, heck we need all we can get so i just like to set the record straight if it needs it.

Even on these boards the BS guys get found out pretty quick

I had heard that the 992 may be dropped and become the 993 but it would be a cardinal sin to drop that numbering. That said the guys coming up with the numbers nowadays dont seem to care to much for tradition as we now have a wheel loader (991K) ending with an odd number. Previuosly 900 family odd numbers were track loaders (955,973,977 etc) and WL (966,972,988 etc) but thats progress and like oil we are running out of numbers. 770 truck is also a victim of this scenario. But that is progress and no need to get hung up on it

Im with you on keeping the traditional numbering system. If you go back to the old days of 922, 33, 44, 55, 66, 77 and 88 its easy to say who came up with 991 or 993 for a wheel loader. When we talk about them running out of numbers and letters, why do they skip letters such as a D6 went from E to H which to me naturaly meant High sprocket but then jumped to M, R and T. No wonder they're running out. But dont forget about the new D6k.??????? Whats up with that?

[Gavin84w]

Yeh who's to say where it will end up, the other strange one is machine serial numbers as some of them have gone to a 7 digit number as opposed to having a number and then a letter following it. By virtue of the amount of letter number combinations available i find that a bit strange, sure the part numbers of Cat parts went 7 digit a long time ago and the shear number of parts i can understand that but there is not that many new model machines that they had to stray away from a traditional system, maybe tradition and progress just dont figure moving forward!!!

That said i hear the track type tractors are done for letter changes for new models T is the last and future models will be series 1, series 2 etc.
D is for diesel, T is for tractor is apparently the thinking.

[PETE379]

I guess we'll see , That doesn't make much sense to me either. Plus since series numbers have been used for a while now, i'd think why would they want D6T series12 to be some kind of standard? Unless they are going to change things completely. Maybe some of the younger generation at cat don't even know the "tradition" we're talking about.

[drewtam]

993K Press Release on Cat website.

http://www.cat.com/cda/components/fullArticle?m=106501&x=7&id=656376

[JDOFMEMI]

I think Cat fouled up the ability to stick with tradition in the wheel loader catagory years ago when they introduced the 994. There was not enough forward thinking to realize that there may be demand for a size in between the 992 and the 994. If the 994 would have been say a 996, then there would be room for a new model, like the 990 that came between the 988 and the 992. With the near doubling of size, there was no room left in numbers for a mid range machine. The only other choice was to have a "correction" like they did with Dozers, where each of the large sizes essentially shrunk back down a size.

[PETE379]

I guess they were leaving room to keep going bigger rather than fill the gap, I'm just waiting for the day of some corporate decision to replace the 966 or 988 because of "progress" :Pointhead

[JDOFMEMI]

I am just guessing here, but the day may come that all the large loaders make an adjustment like the dozers did. Heres why I think this:

980C was a 5 yard loader, now 980H is about 7 yards
988B was a 7.5 yard, 988H is about 9 or 10 yards,
992C was 12 yards, now the 990 is that size

with the 994 at 25 yards +/- there is no room left for anything in between. Now we have 14 yard, 17 yard, and 25 yard with confusion in the system of numbers

[Gavin84w]

We are all on the same page here gents, Cat seem to have done this on a number of product families, maybe the best one not to mucked up is the graders, i believe a 20 size machine would be a big seller as the 16 can sometimes be always worked to the limit and beyond yet the 24 is way to big and expen$ive, food for thought.

[PETE379]

I see you point as far as how the loaders have grown over the years. Even the bottom even numbers in the 900's are almost all gone also, yet plenty of room in the 40's and 50's since they dropped 944 and never bumped up the 950, (which would be a sin anyway). Wonder what the logic was behind dropping the 22 and 44 and adding 910, 20, 30 skipping 40 and going to 50, but keeping 66 and 88, and for the hell of it throw 80 in there. Just thinking out loud, Now i'm confusing myself. :confused:.....lets not forget how they brought back the 930 also.

[JDOFMEMI]

We are all on the same page here gents, Cat seem to have done this on a number of product families, maybe the best one not to mucked up is the graders, i believe a 20 size machine would be a big seller as the 16 can sometimes be always worked to the limit and beyond yet the 24 is way to big and expen$ive, food for thought.

I think you are on to something there. At least they left the option by leaving plenty of space in numbers when they brought out the 24, instead of doubling the size, then calling it an 18.
You are right, a 20 size, about halfway in between, would be a hit in certain applications. The problem is if it would generate enough volume for the development.

[Jon]

Here's the biggest Front end Loader in the world:
The Le Tourneau L2350

584,000 lbs with 2300 hp :thumbsup
53 cu/yard rock bucket

http://www.mining-power.de/l-2350/l-2350_1_p.html
http://www.mining-power.de/l-2350/l-2350_2_p.html
http://www.mining-power.de/l-2350/l-2350_4_p.html
http://www.mining-power.de/l-2350/l-2350_7_p.html
http://www.mining-power.de/l-2350/l-2350_8_p.html
http://www.mining-power.de/l-2350/l-2350_9_p.html
http://www.mining-power.de/l-2350/l-2350_10_p.html

Makes a Cat 994 look like a toy.

[140gdirtman]

nice loader... worked by bill wyo 2 summers ago is that the mine by it:drinkup

[RollOver Pete]

I dunno why....
Having to click on a link to see a pic sometimes gets to me...
:cool:

[RollOver Pete]

:cool:

[PETE379]

A 994 is impresive, but I dont know if it were parked next to that 2350. Like you said, Looks like a toy.:o

[PETE379]

A 994 is impresive, but I dont know if it were parked next to that 2350. Like you said, Looks like a toy.:o

[Jon]

Maybe not a toy, but a 994 weighs over 100 000 lbs less and has half the hp.

[PETE379]

I wasnt questioning the massive size of the 994, Have you ever seen the two side by side, or any pics? That would be interesting to see, 994 is deffinatley a more streamlined looking loader.

[alco]

OK, I know this isn't what you meant, but it's the best I can do...sorry.

Brian

[PETE379]

Hey, I guess thats close enough for now :drinkup. No complaints here, wonder why 2350 cab isnt a little higher for better visibility, not that I ever sat in one.

[CAT793]

Got some info. the other day on Cat future models upsizeing the 994.
first step 996 ?? 52T C-175-16 2400hp mech. drive
second step 996 HL 65T C-175-20 3100hp elect. drive!
Cant wait all sounds exciting !

[101 operator]

Now don't quote me but I think there are 4 maybe 5 different boom configurations and the mono boom is designed for reach and loading and then there are ones for breakout and they still have the dual boom config with two cylinders. We had a 980h for charging and asphalt plant and it was a nice machine just like sitting in your easy chair at home.:usa

[CatYelloBlooded]

Got some info. the other day on Cat future models upsizeing the 994.
first step 996 ?? 52T C-175-16 2400hp mech. drive
second step 996 HL 65T C-175-20 3100hp elect. drive!
Cant wait all sounds exciting !

This is exciting! I think CAT is definitely headed in the direction of electric drive in mining, none too soon either. I'm looking forward to seeing that 795F electric drive released. Can i pry as to where your info came from?

[cr500]

Cat793 did you here that the 52 t loader will be a 995, not a 996? I had heard it would be 995 mechanical drive and 996 lectric drive. Gavin 84W, do you have any updates on the new Cat larger loaders? When will the larger 994K? be out, or the 995?

[NL1CAT]

Hey guys

Looked at some footage on utube of the le tourneau loaders and when filling the bucket the rearwheels slip because there is obvious less pressure on them.
This is not gonna happen with a mech drive loader (when u keep the frontwheels firm on the ground that is ;) )
So i dont know about you operators , but i really dont like driving trough my own fresh dug holes. :throwup

Maybe the electric driven machines need some kind of traction control? :confused:

[CAT793]

Hey guys

Looked at some footage on utube of the le tourneau loaders and when filling the bucket the rearwheels slip because there is obvious less pressure on them.
This is not gonna happen with a mech drive loader (when u keep the frontwheels firm on the ground that is ;) )
So i dont know about you operators , but i really dont like driving trough my own fresh dug holes. :throwup

Maybe the electric driven machines need some kind of traction control? :confused:

They (CAT994) have a setting in the Driveline control called Reduced Rim Pull ( 4 position switch) to give max torque without wheel spin!

[Haul-Pak]

Putting a 994F together as we speak.

The reason why the cab is lower on the 2350 is when loading truck's all you can see is the Hauler's Tire's

Got some info. the other day on Cat future models upsizeing the 994.
first step 996 ?? 52T C-175-16 2400hp mech. drive
second step 996 HL 65T C-175-20 3100hp elect. drive!
Cant wait all sounds exciting !

Yeah Ive heard that rumor as well. Never gonna happen if they dont sort the C175 out.

Dont think they will be made TBH but finger's crossed.

[NL1CAT]

They (CAT994) have a setting in the Driveline control called Reduced Rim Pull ( 4 position switch) to give max torque without wheel spin!
Yes i know about the rimpull switch .
988 990 and 992 have it also but they are mechanical driven, but i was talking about electric drive.
How to avoid wheelslip on an electric drive loader?

[CAT793]

OOOOOPs Sorry!! Misread your Question.

[ben46a]

i would think you could use speed sensors (wheel and ground speed) to keep slip to a minimum by reducing current to the slipping wheels.

[NL1CAT]

OOOOOPs Sorry!! Misread your Question.

NP :drinkup

i would think you could use speed sensors (wheel and ground speed) to keep slip to a minimum by reducing current to the slipping wheels.

Yes but that's easier said then done.
because the current is there you must use it on the other wheels or use it up in some kind of resistor.
Or have 4 seperate generators for the wheels to regulate fieldvoltage te reduce current...

Sorry im hijacking this tread better start newone.. :Banghead

[CoyoteKurtz]

Nice loaders

[dominikat12]

In a pulling match who do you think would win L 2350 vs komatsu d575a-3?I can imagine what chain is needed to endure such a titanic pulling force from both machines.My experience is little with big machines but i think that the loader will outpull the dozer because of its 100 tons more weight and really giant tires.Yes the dozer has better traction but still the loader is 2/3 heavier.What do you think?

[Tracksoup71]

I work in a hard rock mine up here in Alaska. We run the 992s and 994s (along with bigger Hitachi hydraulic shovels). (I can vouge for the oil leaks on a 994...LOL) We've tried electric haul trucks but didn't have much luck with them. The abuse our equipment takes, due to the material (Granite) we're removing and the extream temperature changes through the seasons, it seems the less electrical components and electronics they have the better they last. Unfortunately, everything seems to be going electronic these days, but I'd still rather see a machanical drive train under anything with rubber tires. The only 994's we've had are the old 994s with the conversion to the D model joystick steering. I'd love to get the chance to run a brand new 994D or, if the rumors are true, a 995. I'm also quite fond of the 992G and hopefully will some day get some time in a 992K. She looks like a sweet ride. Tracksoup71