komatsu pc27R

[cat320]

I saw one of these for sale still trying to find out year but it's yellow and not that blue color (unless repainted) here are the spects on it :
PC27R in good working condition,new 18ins bucket,low hours(2650),good tracks,aux hyd,2 speed tracks,swing boom,grading blade

what do you think it might be worth?

[KSSS]

That is about a 6,000 pound machine, without a thumb and without a QC. I and higher hours in average conditon I would say about 15K maybe a little less depending on what year it turned out to be.

[CM1995]

That is about a 6,000 pound machine, without a thumb and without a QC. I and higher hours in average conditon I would say about 15K maybe a little less depending on what year it turned out to be.

I agree. If the machine is not grey market then I would say $12k-$15k tops.

[cat320]

just got the email on it it's a 2000 model year.

It also has open cab and rubber tracks.

stupid question why are some machines i see blue and some yellow? was looking on machinery trader and saw a 2000 one in each color?? what would the list be on this machinewhen it was new?

[CM1995]

just got the email on it it's a 2000 model year.

It also has open cab and rubber tracks.

stupid question why are some machines i see blue and some yellow? was looking on machinery trader and saw a 2000 one in each color?? what would the list be on this machinewhen it was new?

The blue ones are usually grey market. They are not made for the US. They may not be up to spec on emissions and safety features. The biggest issues with grey market machines are you may not be able to get parts for them. I don't know what the list would be on a new one.

[KSSS]

I think since the advent of the internet, parts for grey market machines isn't the issue it used to be. However, you may have to become your own parts man because you may not go to your local Komatsu dealer and get the parts you need. Resale is not as good but they don't cost as much. As far as whether running grey is ethical or not to each his own I guess.

I have never purchased a machine that size but I say new would be 27-32K area.

You might try IronPlanet.Com Most of it is CAT but they run other colors through as well. You can catch a decent buy every one and a while.

[Wulf]

I think since the advent of the internet, parts for grey market machines isn't the issue it used to be. However, you may have to become your own parts man because you may not go to your local Komatsu dealer and get the parts you need. Resale is not as good but they don't cost as much. As far as whether running grey is ethical or not to each his own I guess.

I have never purchased a machine that size but I say new would be 27-32K area.

You might try IronPlanet.Com Most of it is CAT but they run other colors through as well. You can catch a decent buy every one and a while.

I agree KSSS - most of the grey-iron fear mongering is put about by the OEM dealers who understandably don't want to lose their parts and service $$$.

[CM1995]

I agree KSSS - most of the grey-iron fear mongering is put about by the OEM dealers who understandably don't want to lose their parts and service $$$.

I respectfully disagree but not about the parts or OEM. I cannot take the risk of running a grey market machine for safety reasons. What if an operator turns the machine over and gets hurt. WC insurance agents, OSHA, plantiff attourneys, etc go over the machine and see that the ROPS does not meet ANSI or a plethura of other certifications - there goes my company. That is not a risk I am willing to take.

[KSSS]

I actually made reference to this in my post but then deleted it. Since the door is open, I throw it out there. I don't buy grey iron although I have considered it at times over the years. I will say as hypocritical as it may be now, it tees me off when I see guys running around with a machine that was 25K cheaper than mine, and does not met NA specs. competing against me. I have never heard of anyone getting hassled for owning one. That is not to say it does not happen somewhere, there certianly isn't a nationwide push to rid the market of these machines. I feel like when you buy grey your not following the rules which isn't right. However if there are no real consquences for not following the rules it is hard to blame guys that run grey market equipment. I remember hearing that Kubota went after the grey market tractor importers that were killing their NA tractor market. Other than that, I don't think anyone really cares, certainly the EPA who would have the esiest case to make, has done nothing. There are companies that run grey market excavators exclusively. They buy them cheap and run them out (blue Kobelcos mostly).

[Steve Frazier]

I owned a grey market J/D 410 and it was a mistake. I wasn't aware when I bought it that it was grey market but soon found out the first time I tried to buy parts for it. Parts were about double in cost of the domestic model and took 2 to 3 weeks to be delivered. This was quite some time ago, from '86 to '97, things may have changed since then.

[CM1995]

I actually made reference to this in my post but then deleted it. Since the door is open, I throw it out there. I don't buy grey iron although I have considered it at times over the years. I will say as hypocritical as it may be now, it tees me off when I see guys running around with a machine that was 25K cheaper than mine, and does not met NA specs. competing against me. I have never heard of anyone getting hassled for owning one. That is not to say it does not happen somewhere, there certianly isn't a nationwide push to rid the market of these machines. I feel like when you buy grey your not following the rules which isn't right. However if there are no real consquences for not following the rules it is hard to blame guys that run grey market equipment. I remember hearing that Kubota went after the grey market tractor importers that were killing their NA tractor market. Other than that, I don't think anyone really cares, certainly the EPA who would have the esiest case to make, has done nothing. There are companies that run grey market excavators exclusively. They buy them cheap and run them out (blue Kobelcos mostly).


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[Dickie]

Sorry for the late post, but you might find this pertinent to your legal point, CM1995. It is a case in which an operator, injured while operating a seatbelt-less grey market Hitachi, attempts to sue for damages. Very dry, but an interesting read nonetheless.

http://www.judicial.state.sc.us/opinions/displayOpinionPF.cfm?caseNo=3936

(Apologies if this has been posted before, but I did search.)

[CM1995]

Sorry for the late post, but you might find this pertinent to your legal point, CM1995. It is a case in which an operator, injured while operating a seatbelt-less grey market Hitachi, attempts to sue for damages. Very dry, but an interesting read nonetheless.

http://www.judicial.state.sc.us/opinions/displayOpinionPF.cfm?caseNo=3936

(Apologies if this has been posted before, but I did search.)

Thanks for the info and yes this supports my argument. The courts ruled that Hitachi was not liable for a machine that was sold and used outside of its intended marktet.:duh Also the distributor was not liable for a grey market machine since they only sell and not manufacture the machine. So the liability rests with the employer if knowingly purchasing a grey market machine and the employee for operating the machine without a seatbelt.

Who has the most liability for putting a grey market machine into service without a seatbelt? The owner/employer does. The employee has a responsibility to ensure that safety devices are in working order and to notify per company policy, the defect. Here is where it can get sticky. Equipment inspection sheets and he said, she said at this point. The court case in the link was against a manufacturer and a distributor not against the employer that put the machine in service.

I am not willing to take a chance on something like this in the 3 ring circus we call a court system. If OJ can get off and a woman can get $3m from McDonalds for spilling hot coffee in her lap an ambulance chasing lawyer can make a case against an employer in this situation.

Now a case for fraud could be presented by the purchaser of the machine against the distributor if they were told the machine was made for the US market.

[Steve Frazier]

Regardless of the outcome, any lawsuit resulting from injury on a grey market machine will involve countless hours of litigation and huge sums of money in attorney fees. More than likely, the entity with the deepest pockets will see perceived victory as the finger pointing battle progresses. A liable attorney will sue all involved and the accused parties will have to convince a jury that they are not culpable through their attorneys which will cost tremendously.

[mtb345]

i ran into a guy who wanted to sell a blue kelbelco real cheap . he said he repo it from a contrator who owed him money .i never heard of the grey market and when i seen the blue machine i thought it was the latest model from kelbelco and he never said anything about grey market . you learn something new everyday with this forum thanks guys

[Coastal]

Well, I used to have the same opinion, that gray market guys were "cheating" it wasnt "fair" So i spent my $60-80000 on a new mini, I love new machines, but I was at the shop that builds my buckets/thumbs etc and he had a gray market PC75 arrive as I was there...this thing was immaculate, still original purple paint, but its was sooo shiny and nice, i demo'd it, it runs perfect, and is actually smoother than my 2006 Kubota, so with a friend I bought it.

Some of the requirements I had were a paint color change to north american colors, and of course a seatbelt.

But for $35000, I have a bigger machine than my kubota, it cost less than half, and I can get an extra $10-20 per hour for it. Now I am selling the kubota, buying a 35 sized machine and will have no payments. How could I pass this up?? Maybe I will "cheat" just this once. Well I cheated on the little KX008 too, maybe im addicted to cheating now.....crap!

:beatsme :D

[SouthOnBeach]

i don't see anything "wrong" with grey market machines. we have one ourself. to me the proper safety items must be looked at and inspected, ie. seat belt, rops, safety switches, safety guards. are all in place and working properly. i know other people that have grey market machines and when you compare them to a made for NA one, you can hardly tell a differance between them. mostly emision levels (i'm guessing) and sticker language.