Hough H30

[Jeff D.]

My neighbor, who has a business that builds concrete septic tanks, is in the process of getting a new wheel loader which he uses to feed the hoppers. He currently has a Hough H30 which he was going to trade in. The dealer doesn't want to give him much for it, so I may purchase it outright to use to load my dumptruck, and for snow removal around my place.

It is a Hough H30 Payloader. It is post 1974, but not sure of exact year. It has an International 6 cylinder gas motor, which was replaced with a new one two years ago. It isn't an articulating loader, but rather steers at the wheels. It's 4wd, has a two yard bucket, and weighs about 11k lbs. It has an enclosed cab w heat/defrost, and the engine runs flawlessly. He still uses it daily until the new one arrives.

The tires are well worn, and it has a few hydraulic leaks. Also the hydrauilc pump seemed "whinny" until it warmed up. It was most noticealbe while steering. I tried it out today and it started, pushed, and loaded well. The 4wd also worked.(it has a selector for 2wd/4wd)

I offered him $3500 for it. That was about what the dealer offered him after the final price was calculated with and without the loader as a trade in.

I understand parts can be hard to find for Houghs, but other than that I thought that for $3500 it would be a good deal.

What do you guys think?

[cat320]

to be honest i think they are being kind I was lucky to get 5k for and H60E full cab articulating machine that was a diesel I would think that $1,200 or so would be more in line for a smaller machine gas and non articulating. And yes parts will be very hard to get for them.

What is he getting for a new loader.?

[Squizzy246B]

I saw a program on Discovery the other night...guy in San Francisco had about 20 Ho's:bouncegri :bouncegri :bouncegri

(We'll see how far I get with that one :) )

[Jeff D.]

What is he getting for a new loader.? He told me a John Deere, but I'm not sure of the model.

[cat320]

found a pic of one

I saw some unbelivable prices but i guess it does not mean they will sell for them / all i know it was hard to sell mine . i got an extra hydro filter for an h60 e might fit that one .

[Jeff D.]

I saw a program on Discovery the other night...guy in San Francisco had about 20 Ho's:bouncegri :bouncegri :bouncegri

(We'll see how far I get with that one :) )Did he have a wide brimmed hat w/feather, and a gold tooth? I think I seen that guy in Chicago too!!

Now dang it Squizzy, You gotta let me get alittle HE info first before we send this thread into a downward spiral.:bouncegri

cat320, Yup, that's the beast. I just thought it would be awful handy to have around. My Bobcat ain't tall enough to load my latest dumptruck, and for $3500 you don't get much...............except maybe 20 of them Ho's Squizzy mentioned.:nono :rolleyes:

[cat320]

I think it will do the job.

My uncle has an older one than that no cab ,gas 2wd small tires front and big tires in the rear with a 2 yard bucket .I used to look at it and think how did they buld with this back in the early days lol it couldn't move out of it's own way but i guess it's better than a shovel lol. the ones in the 70's seam to have more power.

[Squizzy246B]

Now dang it Squizzy, You gotta let me get alittle HE info first before we send this thread into a downward spiral.

:bouncegri :bouncegri :bouncegri :bouncegri

[Squizzy246B]

and you learned me something already...I'd never heard of Hough before...in fact I saw my first Dressda (sp) wheel loader the other..and I new about them because of HEF.

[Jeff D.]

I checked the Machinerytrader auction results, they only had two for a H30 Hough. They were $4300 & $4500.

I thought with the newer engine that $3500 was ok.:beatsme

He'll let me know Monday if he's willing to take what I offered.

[Jeff D.]

and you learned me something already...I'd never heard of Hough before...in fact I saw my first Dressda (sp) wheel loader the other..and I new about them because of HEF.:yup Yup, see before HEF you could barely spell HEF, and now your operating some.(but without the "F")

I think it's pronounced "Huff" though(like the "big bad wolf"), and not "Ho"(like "Dat ho done runned off wiff my dough!!"), but maybe I'm wrong too.

Dressda? If that's actually right it's new to me too. Could it have been "Dresser" maybe. I have heard of those.

[cat320]

All i know is i called that wingers i think they are in PA. they always had ads for machines and parts and when i called them to see if they would buy mine he gave me prices of what it was really worth and said they didn't want it even for parts and the machine still ran fine.Just like lucko sales in ND had one like mine that they went thru and wanted 18K for it and it sat for awhile.I'm not saying it's not a good machine but just what i was told when i tried to sell mine .

[Squizzy246B]

:yup Yup, see before HEF you could barely spell HEF, and now your operating some.(but without the "F")

I think it's pronounced "Huff" though(like the "big bad wolf"), and not "Ho"(like "Dat ho done runned off wiff my dough!!"), but maybe I'm wrong too.

Dressda? If that's actually right it's new to me too. Could it have been "Dresser" maybe. I have heard of those.

ROFLMAO :) :)

You just know I have to do it...Its genetic and has a lot to do with never letting an opportunity for some jocularity to pass...we all need a few more laughs.

It might be best explained (junior hi-jackers note the subtle master at work) in the iconic Australian song called 'The Newcastle Song"

The Newcastle Song
Chorus: Dont' you ever let a chance go by, O Lord, Don't you ever let a chance go by.

Yes, up in Newcastle they have very strange mating habits. All the young women of Newcastle walk down the main street which is called Hunter Street for reasons that will become obvious later on in the song.

All the young men of Newcastle drive down Hunter Street in their hot FJ Holdens with chrome plated grease nipples and double reverse overhead twin cam door handles, sitting eight abreast in the front seat, and they lean out of the window and say real cool things to the sheilas on the footpath, like 'Aah g'day'. And every now and then, of course, one of the young ladies thinks to herself Ummmm she thinks Ummmmm.

… Chorus

Anyway there was this mob of blokes driving down Hunter Street in the front seat of the hot FJ with chrome plated grease nipples and twin overhead foxtails, and the coolest of them all, who got to sit near the window, was young Norm. And they pulled up outside the Parthenon milk bar and standing outside the Parthenon was this beautiful looking sheila. Oooh! Oooh! said young Normie who'd come top of his class in English, Ooooh! he said. So he leaned out of the window, and he said real, real suave like, he said G'day.

... Chorus

This nine foot tall Hell's Angel came out of the Parthenon milk bar, looked at Norm and said Arr, what are ya? Norm said What are you? Bloke on the footpath said D'ya want a go, do ya mate, eh? Norm said Yeah, d'you want a go, mate? Bloke on the footpath said Yeah I'll have a go Norm said D'you know who you're picking? The bloke on the footpath said Nah, who am I picking? Norm said You find out And all of a sudden there was a break in the traffic, and as any young Newcastle lad knows- when you're getting monstered by a nine foot tall Hells Angel and there's a break in the traffic

.... Chorus

[Jeff D.]

Just for comparison I checked the auction results for the H60 Hough's, all series. (They didn't have any "E's" listed specifically) I added them up, and divided them by the total # listed and it came out to an average of $5500.

You got $5k for yours, so not too far off. Maybe the smaller ones aren't worth alot less for some reason? Easier too sell?

If I do get it, I'll check about that hydraulic filter fitting this one. I may be interested.:yup

[Jeff D.]

You just know I have to do it...Its genetic and has a lot to do with never letting an opportunity for some jocularity to pass...we all need a few more laughs.I know that's right!!:yup

I was going to tell a personal story that kinda fit that songs theme, from my much younger/dumber days, (I even had it typed all up too)but I think I'll not.:rolleyes:

[tylermckee]

I'm a little drunk, but i think for $3500 you cant go wrong.:Cowboy

[Jeff D.]

I'm a little drunk, but i think for $3500 you cant go wrong.:CowboyTyler, don't be self concious about your height.:nono Big, tall, stout, little , all people are the same on the inside.



:bouncegri

[Jeff D.]

He told me a John Deere, but I'm not sure of the model.I was told he was getting a new John Deere, but I saw a used(but nice looking) Cat parked there today. I'm not sure what model, as I only got a quick look, but it might have been a 938.

He must not have been interested in my offer for the Hough, since I haven't heard back, so...............:beatsme

No loader for me.:crying

Oh well, I'd have preferred a diesel, and something that had parts still available anyways.

[cat320]

Jeff i think your better off diesel is the way to go. pluse one that you can get parts for. If he is stepping up to a 938 that is 20 times what he has now.

[Dusty]

your better off with out another thing to eat up your cash

[Jeff D.]

Jeff i think your better off diesel is the way to go. pluse one that you can get parts for.your better off with out another thing to eat up your cashHaa, I tricked you guys just to see what you'de say!!:bouncegri

No, but he did decide to let it go, so.............

Here my loader:

(Also, his new "used" one is a Cat 910. I'm not familiar with wheel loader #'s, so I had just guessed at 938 before.):beatsme

[Jeff D.]

(Also, his new "used" one is a Cat 910. I'm not familiar with wheel loader #'s, so I had just guessed at 938 before.):beatsmeI know, I'm pretty bad, getting a 910 confused with a 938 is like getting a compact car confused with a 3/4 ton pick-up. I can't explain why the # 938 popped into my head as too what I thought it was, but...........it did.

I shouldn't have even guessed.:confused:

Cat320, do you have any sources that you used for used parts for yours? I know you mentioned Wingers in PA, and Lucko sales in ND(?). Are they parts sources also?

[tylermckee]

I know, I'm pretty bad, getting a 910 confused with a 938 is like getting a compact car confused with a 3/4 ton pick-up. I can't explain why the # 938 popped into my head as too what I thought it was, but...........it did.

I shouldn't have even guessed.:confused:

Cat320, do you have any sources that you used for used parts for yours? I know you mentioned Wingers in PA, and Lucko sales in ND(?). Are they parts sources also?

where are the pics of the 910?! :bash

[Jeff D.]

:bouncegri You know I thought of bringing my camera with when I went to pick it up, but I thought he might think it strange me taking pictures of his equipment. Sorry, I just took pictures of my junk when I got home.

Besides his is not actually a 910 Cat, it's really a Melroe M610 skid steer.:beatsme:rolleyes:

No, it's really a 910 Cat. I don't know what suffix though.

[tylermckee]

I wish i had your weather today

[Jeff D.]

I wish i had your weather todayWhy, what's it doing out there? Let me guess..................ummm Rain?

[tylermckee]

Why, what's it doing out there? Let me guess..................ummm Rain?

Supposed to get an inch or 2 tomorrow, got dumped on a little bit today.

Wouldnt be as bad if we were doing anything except for what are now. We are running 18" storm main alongside a road, getting rid of the existing open ditch :Banghead took 3 guys and a guy in the truck 8.5 hours to get 100', i have done 150' of 24" by myself in the same amount of time :bash But its a prevailing wage job, so Ii cant complain too much

[cat320]

Jeff that lucko sales might have a source for parts. here they told me to call the komatsue dealer as they took over dresser/hough. There was also a place called state equipment they where down in wilks bare PA it think too and they sold dresser.

[nedly05]

www.wengers.com

[Jeff D.]

.......they told me to call the komatsue dealer as they took over dresser/hough.Ok, I didn't know that. I'm trying to learn the history of the Co. alittle bit, and I've learned that IH bought Hough in 1974(?) and got rid of them a few years later. So Komatsu took them over after that then.

I'm also going to look around for some tires. They're 1300X24. The same size as some graders apparently. Hopefully I can find some retreads for it. We've some retreading co's just north of here that cater to the mines, so I'll check with them first.

Thanks again & thanks Nedly05 for the link.:yup

[jmac]

Jeff, you are the man! Your garage it getting pretty full fast. Pretty soon you will be selling the Mack of yours and jumping in full time. Ford9000 is thinking about making the leap! To bad you guys couldn't share equipment to get started. Congrats I think it is like Xmas every day at Jeff's house. You gotta love it first, and you do.

[Jeff D.]

Pretty soon you will be selling the Mack of yours ........I dream of this every day. The payoff is about $37k right now, and if someone offered that too me I'd let it go. So if anyone's interested. A 2003 mack, 402k miles. 490hp Mack/13 speed Eaton. 3.70 rears. The biggest sleeper available, rarely slept in. I'll even fill the fuel tanks(a $750 dollar value):yup

I'd keep my route though. It's just to easy. I'd just get a small daycab instead.

[Squizzy246B]

I dream of this every day. The payoff is about $37k right now, and if someone offered that too me I'd let it go. So if anyone's interested. A 2003 mack, 402k miles. 490hp Mack/13 speed Eaton. 3.70 rears. The biggest sleeper available, rarely slept in. I'll even fill the fuel tanks(a $750 dollar value):yup

I'd keep my route though. It's just to easy. I'd just get a small daycab instead.

How's the tyres though??...have they still got all those grade stakes in them:bouncegri

[Jeff D.]

How's the tyres though??...Ones still left. It's been flat for awhile, but I think it's close to flinging itself off the rim.:cool:

[Squizzy246B]

I was going to tell a personal story that kinda fit that songs theme, from my much younger/dumber days, (I even had it typed all up too)but I think I'll not.:rolleyes:

C,mon..out with it, the suspense is killing me

[Jeff D.]

C,mon..out with it, the suspense is killing meNaw, I think I'll keep this one to myself. Sorry!!:cool:

[Jeff D.]

I spent the day working on this thing, making sure it was ready for winter.

The hydraulic system seemed noisy anytime it was warming up. I decide to change the filter, drain the fluid, clean the tank/strainer, and put new fluid in.

I found the strainer filter was almost completely plugged, with belly button lint I think.:beatsme :rolleyes: It kinda looked like that.

She's quiet and quicker cycling now when cold.:thumbsup

Cat320, the original filter # is BP-3, if you wanted to check your part #. Napa had one in stock though, and it was pretty cheap.

If anyone has a lead on good used/or capped 1300x24 tires, please let me know. Thanks. I checked e-bay, nada.

[cat320]

Jeff the one i have is a nappa gold 1140 it's 18" high and 6" round says flow B3=2B10=75 after the napp stuff.

[Jeff D.]

Jeff the one i have is a nappa gold 1140 it's 18" high and 6" round says flow B3=2B10=75 after the napp stuff.Dang, It's about the same diameter, but almost twice the length that mine is. Thanks anyways.

Heres what my suction strainer looked like after I pulled it out and rinsed all the loose stuff off in a can of gas.(I did clean it further) I'm baffled as to what it is. There wasn't any metal, just this gunk?

[Countryboy]

Looks like Vegemite:bouncegri

[Jeff D.]

Looks like Vegemite:bouncegriIt's got all the signs of being the work of a disgruntled Australian, doesn't it?!

Hmmm? Now who would fit that discription?:rolleyes:

[digger242j]

It's got all the signs of being the work of a disgruntled Australian, doesn't it?!

Hmmm? Now who would fit that discription?:rolleyes:

Nobody we know. I'm sure you're thinking of Squizzy, but I assure you, I sent him to the bush a couple of weeks ago to get re-gruntled, and he's fine now, really... :yup

[Squizzy246B]

Hey, I'm watching you guys!:cool: It's nothing like Vegemite..it looks more like a can full of neglect to me:rolleyes: Jeff, a filter will generally get like that if the machine is left unused for long periods.

And I got all Un-Gruntled again on the weekend. I got one of those cheapie air compressors awhile back, just for blowing out/cleaning stuff and the odd tyre...well it seized solid...broke my 16" cut off saw...and everthing else I looked at needed fixing:Banghead Spent the whole weekend working on equipment when I should have been relaxing with my family:mad:

[Jeff D.]

And I got all Un-Gruntled again on the weekend. I got one of those cheapie air compressors awhile back, just for blowing out/cleaning stuff and the odd tyre...well it seized solid...Was it one of those "Oil-less" air compressors? It wouldn't suprise me if it was.

I'm not entirely sold on that whole idea of a compressor not needing any oil.:spaz :rolleyes:

[Dusty]

looke like wax buildup do u run red fuel?
{the above statement is to make me look really smart or a total tool}

[Jeff D.]

Well I don't know if this will make look like a total tool, but it's actually a hydraulic oil filter.:wink2

But thanks for the response. Any and all ideas are appreciated.:thumbsup

[digger242j]

looke like wax buildup

No, Dusty. Look at the filter, and leave Jeff's ears alone....

:wink2

[Orchard Ex]

Can hydraulic oil get microbe growth problems like diesel fuel can?:beatsme

[digger242j]

Can hydraulic oil get microbe growth problems like diesel fuel can?:beatsme


That's a good question, and one that I don't know the answer to, but I'll take a guess.

I'd guess that the oil itself could get growth, however, the systems are dis-similar enough that it doesn't happen.

Fuel tanks are subject to being emptied and refilled much more often, which leads to the possibility of contamination entering on any given day. We've discussed keeping the tank full overnight, because of the condensation that occurs from moisture in the air. You don't have that in hydraulic systems. They get filled, and hopefully stay filled. (And you don't see sump bowls on hydraulic systems to collect the water, do you?)

Also, hydraulic oils gets circulated through the system, and heated up when the machine is run. It doesn't take too long to run the entire capacity of the system through the filter, and the heat probably isn't too healthy for the little critters. Fuel, on the other hand, sits in the tank and only gets drained away at a couple gallons per hour, and while the warmth of the machine running may warm it up, it doesn't ever really get hot.

Those two things would, I think, discourage the start of algae growth. If it can't get started, it becomes less likely to grow to be a problem.

(At least that's what I'd guess.)

[Jeff D.]

Can hydraulic oil get microbe growth problems like diesel fuel can?:beatsmeI've never heard of it either, but it might be possible.

I think water does have to be present to get the growth started, although I did have about 1 teaspoon full of water in the drain plug cavity.

I've the suspicion that the crud on the strainer element may be a hardened paste of concrete dust/fluid mix. The environment that the loader worked in had concrete dust in the air continuously, and the dust would settle on everything in the area. Some may have been able to enter the system through the tank breather after many years of being in that type of environment.

I've cleaned the tank thoroughly now, and ran a magnet through the complete interior of the tank, with no metal present on the magnet. I don't imagine concrete dust could've been good for the system, if that's what it is, but am hoping the filter did it's job and pump/valve wear isn't excessive. The hydraulics work well, and will easily build to cut-out pressure on the gauge(1500psi), even at idle. My main reason for pulling it down was the excessive pump noise cause by cavitation from lack of adequate fluid flowing through the strainer filter when the fluid was cold/thick. It's now:thumbsup with it clean, even when cold.

[Squizzy246B]

I've never heard of it either, but it might be possible.

I think water does have to be present to get the growth started, although I did have about 1 teaspoon full of water in the drain plug cavity.



Jeff, Cladosporium Resinae or as my mate used to call it "Gladis Moncrieff Spider Venom" grows on a water fuel interface...not actually in the fuel. And botanically it has been re-named by some rocket scientist and I can't remember what its called now:confused:

You can read more at the fuel doctors:

http://www.fueldoctors.com/fuel.htm

I have never seen it in oil but we used to sample for "Biologicals"??

I believe you have very scientifically and accuratley done a self diagnosis of your filter...its just crud that has had significant moisture present for a long time.

[digger242j]

And botanically it has been re-named by some rocket scientist and I can't remember what its called now

Well, you ain't no rocket scientist... ***


:bouncegri

[Squizzy246B]

Well, you ain't no rocket scientist... ***


:bouncegri

I tell my guys about 10 times a day..its just a wall...it aint rocket science..:Banghead :Banghead

[srs_mn]

Jeff, I can't really tell from the picture, but your description of your filter being plugged with "belly button lint', leads me to believe that the stuff is actually hydraulic cylinder packing material. I have seen this before, and it usually comes from very worn/old piston packing and/or seals. It really doesn't seem to hurt anything, other than plugging your filters, as long as your hydraulics are still working ok.
srs

[Electra_Glide]

You don't have that in hydraulic systems. They get filled, and hopefully stay filled.

Remember, we're talking about Jeff's ancient equipment here, so who knows...:beatsme :)

Joe

[Jeff D.]

Jeff, I can't really tell from the picture, but your description of your filter being plugged with "belly button lint', leads me to believe that the stuff is actually hydraulic cylinder packing material. I have seen this before, and it usually comes from very worn/old piston packing and/or seals.I should've mentioned this when I made the "belly button lint" comment, regarding the filter.

Before I washed it in a can of gas the oily/fibery "belly button" stuff was on much of the filter, but was washed away by the gasoline. It likely was just what you said, old cylinder packing.:yup

The picture I posted was after that was removed.Remember, we're talking about Jeff's ancient equipment here, so who knows... :bouncegri This is true Joe, but you forgot the part I like best....................it's "paid for" ancient equipment.

And as for you Mr. Squizzy, all I can say is you're a man of many hats. Which is not a bad thing.:)

[Jeff D.]

Here's another question for you guys. One of the flexible brake lines was getting pretty bad looking due to excessive flexing in one spot. I've decided to replace it.

When I removed it, it had more course threads than I'm accustomed to seeing on a brake line, and the hose said 3/16" 2 wire. It had male threaded ends with flares, on swivels. It looks like a common hydraulic line, rather than a flexible brake line on other hydraulic brake systems I've worked on. I checked the other flexible lines and they are the same.

Is it possible it uses standard hydaulic hose for the brake sysytem?:beatsme

I assume it uses DOT3 brake fluid. It smelled like brake fluid, and had a very thin viscosity. The brake cylinder looks like a standard manuel brake cylinder found on older cars.

I've no manuals or info to go on when working on this machine........yet.

If hydaulic hose will work I'll just have the hydaulic shop make me the new hoses.

[digger242j]

I should've mentioned this when I made the "belly button lint" comment, regarding the filter.

Before I washed it in a can of gas the oily/fibery "belly button" stuff was on much of the filter, but was washed away by the gasoline. It likely was just what you said, old cylinder packing.

Did you choose this method becasue of your personal expeience in dealing with belly button lint? :cool2




:bouncegri

[Squizzy246B]

Did you choose this method becasue of your personal expeience in dealing with belly button lint? :cool2


Yep here we are again....In the Truck of Ontopicism, perched on the edge of sanity...looking for Angel Gear as we go over the side.... Ya gotta laugh:rolleyes: :D

[Jeff D.]

Ok you two, I'm steering this thing back on course.:yup

In my search for the brake line I learned that my line was not a common hydraulic line. Apparently brake lines have a reverse taper to the ends, which I didn't even realize when I looked at it.

The hydraulic shop took one look and knew right away it was a brake line, and that he couldn't make one since he did not have the reverse fittings.

So I learned something new, and I got one that was close from Napa, and adapted it too fit.:thumbsup

And Digger, my belly button lint problem is easily solved by putting a wire wheel in the cordless drill, and going after it with that. Whatever's left over I blow out with the air compressor.

It's tough on the belly hair though.:wink2