New CAT 430E IT

[jazak]

Has anyone tried it out yet? What are the differences of the 430E compared to the 430D? Do you like it better or worse?

[jazak]

Has anyone tried it?

[Cat420]

I haven't tried one, but the changes they listed for the 420E are exactly the little things that I would have changed on our 420D, so I would guess that the new models are great.

[Duke]

Costs $44,000 more.:eek: That's the biggest change.

[mflah87]

I love my cat backhoes, but when it comes to price up front it kills you, but in the long run when you need a part during a blizzard you can get it. I rented a JCB one winter to do a parking lot and the machine died, so the dealer came out and said the parts 2-3 weeks away. I can't remember what it was, but it was something stupid that Cat would have in stock. So Cat pays for itself in the long run.

[Cat420]

That large of an increase does sounds really bad. Just for kicks one day I priced out our model to see what it would cost new with all of the stuff it has. It came to around $90,000. I was surprised, since that is pretty much in line with what the other brands cost.

[CascadeScaper]

I have a hard time figuring out where guys guys get the idea that Cat is astronomically more expensive than other brands. Our 312CL was only about $9K more than a Deere equipped the same and the Deere dealer out here is a joke. My point is why would I abandon my Cat sales guy, who has been great to us, to save 7% on the purchase of the machine? Doesn't make much sense to me.

[murray83]

I think he was pointing out how prices industry wide has gone out of control.

[farm_boy]

the Deere dealer out here is a joke.

Cascade, what are basing your comments on here? :confused: Typically this dealer has been real good. They used to be the Cat dealer as well and decided to drop Cat when they wouldn't let them grow to other territories around WA.

[TRACKHOE71]

i ran one last summer for a little bit, the things i like were that the cabs were alot roomier. I really like the pilot controls that all the manufactors are going to , the one thing that caught my attention was that the axuillary attchments were controlled on the joy sticks , they had a little ball that you could control by rolling your fingers over it and thats how the auxulliary hydrualic attchments worked no more extendahoe pedal or what not. the visibility out the front was un real you can really see everythihng . deftinley a nice machine.

[CascadeScaper]

Cascade, what are basing your comments on here? :confused: Typically this dealer has been real good. They used to be the Cat dealer as well and decided to drop Cat when they wouldn't let them grow to other territories around WA.

Sales guys don't seem to care, called three times for a price on a 50C ZTS and never got a return call. I try to shop around a little when buying equipment, keeps me somewhat informed as to what's going on with other MFG's. So to go along with being blown off, they didn't even have a machine on the lot I could demo and couldn't tell me when they were going to have one. That really makes me wanna drop $60K on a new machine. To this day, they have 8 or 9 machines on the lot, maybe 2 or 3 of them are actually new units. Now it's a different story in the Seattle area, the Deere dealers over here give the Cat boys a run for their money. Where I'm from, it's no comparison, Cat is walking all over them. Not to say that Deere doesn't build a solid machine, it's just that I don't think I would run away from Cat so as not to be cliche when I get great service from Cat and the prices aren't really too far off from other MFG's. Does that make sense? I'm not trying to get into a bash fest here, not the intent.

[Duke]

I have a hard time figuring out where guys guys get the idea that Cat is astronomically more expensive than other brands. Our 312CL was only about $9K more than a Deere equipped the same and the Deere dealer out here is a joke. My point is why would I abandon my Cat sales guy, who has been great to us, to save 7% on the purchase of the machine? Doesn't make much sense to me.


You are my kind of customer. One that values service over a bargain sale price up front followed by lousy service.

Rock on!:drinkup

[biggixxerjim]

You are my kind of customer. One that values service over a bargain sale price up front followed by lousy service.

Rock on!:drinkup

I hear that..... Im sooooo tired of everyone bashing cat, saying theyre wayy to $$; not that much of a difference. Besides you get what you pay for. Cat rally is the better machine, and the premium is worth it.

Ever see a Deere with 15,000 hours on it??? Me either.

[biggixxerjim]

Costs $44,000 more.:eek: That's the biggest change.

how does a machine go one year from being maybe (est) $110,000, then the next generation is 40k more (150k).

Thats an increase of over 35%. Hmmmmm........:beatsme

[Duke]

I dunno, but when I read it, I almost fell off my chair. You could buy a fleet of half decent $35,000 low-hour used backhoes for $130-140,000.

[Tigerotor77W]

Perhaps it's a typo -- after all, 4 and $ are both the same key.

[Duke]

Nope not a typo, the D model was in the mid 90's. The E models is in the mid 130's. :eek:

[biggixxerjim]

I still cant believe that....... a 312 will prob run you less than that...

[KSSS]

The backhoe has become way more advanced than they were only 5-10 years ago. Nothing is for free and someone has to pay for that technology.

The 130K price tag was inline with a 710 JD several years ago. I can only imagine what they cost now. It will be interesting to see how these new over 125K backhoes hold their value.

If your buying CAT because they give you better service than anyone else that is a good business decision. If you buying CAT because you believe everything they build is better than anything that anyone else builds, your kidding yourself.

[biggixxerjim]

The backhoe has become way more advanced than they were only 5-10 years ago. Nothing is for free and someone has to pay for that technology.

The 130K price tag was inline with a 710 JD several years ago. I can only imagine what they cost now. It will be interesting to see how these new over 125K backhoes hold their value.

If your buying CAT because they give you better service than anyone else that is a good business decision. If you buying CAT because you believe everything they build is better than anything that anyone else builds, your kidding yourself.

Once again; ever see a deere with 15,000 hours???? Any takers????:cool2

[Duke]

I've been looking hard for a backhoe- CAT, Case, JD or NH for about 3 months and one thing I consistently see with CAT is resale value above the other brands. That tells me they hold their value.
The reason something holds its' value is because buyers believe that even if it's a well used high hour/older machine, it's still worth something. The reason it's still worth something is because that potential buyers think it's still capable of making a profit for its' owner.

CAT seems to be highest resale, followed by about a tie between Case & Deere. NH was the lowest. I found NH's comparably equipped to CAT's that were 5 years newer, cleaner and with thousands less hours for the same or less cost!!!!

All of them are pretty good machines capable of doing a lot of work for many thousands of hours.

When in doubt, follow the money trail.

[lars]

Aside from anything D8 size and up (big dozers, loaders, and haul trucks come to mind), what lasts longer than 15,000 hours?

[farm_boy]

Aside from anything D8 size and up (big dozers, loaders, and haul trucks come to mind), what lasts longer than 15,000 hours?

It appears just about any JD loader:cool2

http://www.deere.com/en_US/cfd/construction/deere_const/media/dmag/116CU_dmag_www.pdf

[CEwriter]

LIST prices:
Base 416E with a HD bucket = $62,000

Mid-range 420E w/cab, A/C, e-stick, 4WD, HD bucket = $93,200

Kitchen-sink 430E IT w/all options, including hyd. thumb, fork carriage/tines, MP bucket, coupler w/36-inch bucket = $137,000

Some operating performance comparisons between the 420E IT and its predecessor, the 420D IT, as well as operating impressions here: http://www.constructionequipment.com/article/CA6311743.html

Thanks,

L

[KSSS]

I think the resale values have a lot of variables. Sometimes it is hard to compare apples to apples when comparing values. The other issue is regional. If you have a strong CAT dealer in the area with weak competetive dealers the value of the CAT in this case may be greater. I go to auctions all over the Pac West. I don't see a CAT advantage in TLBs. Other equipment I do. Large dozers and large loaders and graders but not in skid steers, TLB's or compact excavators that may also be a regional thing.

[biggixxerjim]

It appears just about any JD loader:cool2

http://www.deere.com/en_US/cfd/construction/deere_const/media/dmag/116CU_dmag_www.pdf

I saw a 966G loader at the locaal cat realer that had 20,000+ hours on it, even though it was set up for waste management.

That JD with 77,000 hours on it is rediculous though!!!!! :eek:

[stuvecorp]

I guess I don't understand the logic to keeping a machine that long? :beatsme If it is that important to their production why not get a new machine every year because it is earning its keep. Just wonder why.

[dug1016]

I saw a 966G loader at the locaal cat realer that had 20,000+ hours on it, even though it was set up for waste management.

That JD with 77,000 hours on it is rediculous though!!!!! :eek:

I believe it was 17,400 hrs. , not 77,000.

[farm_boy]

I believe it was 17,400 hrs. , not 77,000.

17,400 was the first article on a 724J. The 77,000 hour story was the next one on a 544E.

70K + hours is crazy. I have seen some 980F's with 50,000 plus hours though. :thumbsup

[dug1016]

I've heard and seen some larger mining excavators pushing 25,000-35,000 hrs. I understand that when those are $1-$2 million rigs. But a $115,000 loader? I guess if it runs, is productive and is making you money, why not?

[csquared]

http://www.finning.ca/downloads/publications/tracks_and_treads/T&T_Spring2006.pdf
966c with 75 000 hrs.
I would give it to the 966, work in the north isnt a piece of cake with climate.
also i bet the john deere did get alot of hours ideling :D