Hart-Parr??

[Squizzy246B]

Came across this old girl while up the bush on a camping holiday. I grew up on Massey Harris, McCormack, Chamberlain, Sunshine, HB etc but I never heard of Hart-Parr. Sure amazes me how those old guys cleared this country with Bullocks and machines like these.

Enjoy, any info appreciated.

[Squizzy246B]

found this:

http://www.geocities.com/hartparrtractors/1836.html

[Jeff D.]

Huh,I'd never even heard of them,and they weren't made that far away.

I wonder what made that one an "Australian Special"?

It must have had alot of torque if it could pull a 4 bottom plow with only 18hp.I could barely pull a 2 bottom through the ground here with an H.

I like to watch them old tractors at the pulls.Some of them can really get down and grunt,especially the old steam powered jobs.

Couldn't have been much fun when they had to road it,with them steel wheels.That would've loosened the fillings.:bouncegri

[digger242j]

Jeff asked me the other day where Squizzy had been. I sugggested that maybe he's one of those unfortunates that actually has to work for a living.

Came across this old girl while up the bush on a camping holiday.

Digger's wrong again. :rolleyes:

Pretty interesting piece of hardware there! You sure wouldn't want to run over your foot with that one... :)

[Steve Frazier]

Thanks for posting!! I always enjoy seeing old machines, I wonder what makes it an Australia Special?

[Jeff D.]

Digger,I thought that when you said that "doin' work" thing,you were just kidding??

I know we all SAY that we're operators,and are busy doin' this and that and blah-blah-blah,but I assumed it was something we were just supose to SAY.You know,to fit in.:bouncegri

A friend bought 12 old steel wheel tractors,similiar to the one in Squizzy's pics.Not a one of them actually ran,and most were locked up.He didn't pay much for them.I thought it was still a waste of money,but he ended up selling every one of them that was complete to people and businesses for lawn displays.A local Motel bought two,painted them up,and put them out front.I imagine they're real kid magnets(and dad magnets too,sometimes).

[Squizzy246B]

Glad you guys liked the pic's. Apparently there is a Hart-Parr in the Smithsonian and they are generally accredited for inventing the term "tractor".

If you guys really need to know where I was....It was in the scrub between here and the Outback...that should narrow it down:rolleyes: ...not far from Muckinbudin for some of the time and I took these photos over near Dallwallinu which is near Kalannie!....I have family out that a ways from Wylcatchem. But a local would describe this as Mucka, Dally and Wylie!. A million stars for a roof and some Mallee roots on the fire to keep warm by...its good for the soul...and should be done 4 times a year so ya head stays screwed on proper.

I got this e-mail back from the website:

Hi Vic,
Thanks for sending along the Hart Parr info. They were a fairly popular tractor in it's time and were powerful. They made a larger 4 cylinder model rated at 28-50 and it was more popular in the states. Thanks again, Dave Preuhs, Le Center, Mn.

[Squizzy246B]

I'm not sure about what made this model the "Australian Special" but I found this:

18-36G Hart-Parr was great at advertising there tractors in non-stop plowing merathons. One instance was in Australia plowing for 11 staight days, a world's record. The 18-36 was usually the tractor of choice for these demonstrations. When the 18-36 appeared on the market it was basically a model 16-30 with a slightly enlarged engine bore, now at 6.75 inches. This extra quarter inch larger bore gave this tractor a real boost in power. The model G still had the short fenders, but it did sport the winged decal and winged radiator cap. Although some early models had the screw in radiator cap. Some model G's came equiped with round spoke wheels both front and back.

I will e-mail the site and ask what the difference between the US and Australian models was. I suspect it was something to do with the engine timing and the fuel types available here in Australia at the time

[Squizzy246B]

Got this today:

Hi Vic,
I think about the only differences are that they maybe had a diff. air cleaner, and from what I have learned, they had the exhaust coming upwards instead of out the front to prevent fires, and a diff. screen on front of the rad. And of course the wording on the rad. top tank.
Dave

[Jeff D.]

It does have a big exhaust on it.I thought maybe that was added later,it almost looks out of place.

I wonder how they started it?The flywheel looks too close to other parts to be able to spin by hand.It must have had a crank handle that went through that hole under the radiator,but it would've had to have been a long one.

[digger242j]

Apparently there is a Hart-Parr in the Smithsonian and they are generally accredited for inventing the term "tractor".


...the difference between the US and Australian models was. I suspect it was something to do with the engine timing and the fuel types available here in Australia at the time

...maybe had a diff. air cleaner, and from what I have learned, they had the exhaust coming upwards instead of out the front to prevent fires, and a diff. screen on front of the rad. And of course the wording on the rad. top tank.


So, apparently, at least in a pioneering sense, they invented the "Gray market machine" concept as well... :)

[atgreene]

I'm not a Hart-Parr expert, but a buddy of mine has at least 1 and maybe more.

I believe they were the fore-runner of the Oliver, or Oliver bought them out. The Oliver guys always seem to sport Hart-Parr hats with their Oliver jackets.

The pulley on the right side should have a crank that went into it.

Nice tractor, too bad it isn't being used.

[atgreene]

Every now and then I suprise myself. Here's a neat link.

http://www.hartparroliver.org/

[BRL]

Glad you guys liked the pic's. Apparently there is a Hart-Parr in the Smithsonian and they are generally accredited for inventing the term "tractor".

I thought it looked familiar. My wife & kids have to literally drag me out of that section of the Museum, can look at that stuff for hours & hours! Great thread! :thumbsup


If you guys really need to know where I was....It was in the scrub between here and the Outback...that should narrow it down:rolleyes: ...not far from Muckinbudin for some of the time and I took these photos over near Dallwallinu which is near Kalannie!....I have family out that a ways from Wylcatchem. But a local would describe this as Mucka, Dally and Wylie!. A million stars for a roof and some Mallee roots on the fire to keep warm by...its good for the soul...and should be done 4 times a year so ya head stays screwed on proper.

I have no idea what he's talking about, but sure do love to read this Down Under talk! :yup

My guess as to how the Wylie town bore its name for fun: It came from "We Will Catch Them" because that was the last town with some room, board & supplies where many bounty hunters & lawmen would gather before & after mounting their missions into the "scrub" or "outback" to catch outlaws. Ooorrr.... Same last town, but with hunters instead, & their missions involved bringing home some dinner. Hmmm, think I may have been working too hard lately & need to find some of these "Mallee roots" here & get my cap threaded right again. :bouncegri

[Jeff D.]

Bill,I'm still confused by the fact that they're even able to go camping.

I watched this documentary called "Mad Max,the Road Warrior" when I was a teen,which clearly explained how the Australians live.It showed that most folk's were held up in oil refineries in the desert,and hords of outlaws taunted them with nitrous powered dune buggies,and scooter bikes.(and not a one of them was an old tractor,I might add!!)

Now,how can they just go off on a family vacation in with all that going on?What do they do,call a "time out"??

All I can say is I'm a little let down.I feel like I've been mislead by the propaganda from down under.Who know's,maybe there is no Bartertown either,and Tina Turner isn't actually the mayor of anything??:mad:

They just wanted to scare us from comin' down,so they can keep all the Mallee Roots to themselves,I think!!
Our president would have a name for those kind of people."The Mallee-not-sharer's"
:rolleyes:

[Jeff D.]

Bill,I'm still confused by the fact.......

Hmm,that last post of mine may have been alittle "out there",even by my standards!

I see that after re-reading it.I don't think you'll find a latin quote that could even cover that one,Squizzy.:bouncegri

(and it so seemed funny to me when I was typing it up??????):rolleyes:

[Squizzy246B]

(and it so seemed funny to me when I was typing it up??????):rolleyes:

Well thats all that matters then...as long as someone got a laugh:thumbsup :)

[Squizzy246B]

Bill,I'm still confused by the fact that they're even able to go camping.

I watched this documentary called "Mad Max,the Road Warrior" when I was a teen,which clearly explained how the Australians live.

Max wouldn't have lasted an hour on the road with my kids in the back seat!

It showed that most folk's were held up in oil refineries in the desert,and hords of outlaws taunted them with nitrous powered dune buggies,and scooter bikes.(and not a one of them was an old tractor,I might add!!)

We of the new generation go in a SUBARU:yup

Now,how can they just go off on a family vacation in with all that going on?What do they do,call a "time out"??

Sanity preservation I call it...and if it where my choice I'd still be out there

All I can say is I'm a little let down.I feel like I've been mislead by the propaganda from down under.Who know's,maybe there is no Bartertown either,and Tina Turner isn't actually the mayor of anything??:mad:

Tina who?:rolleyes:

They just wanted to scare us from comin' down,so they can keep all the Mallee Roots to themselves,I think!!
Our president would have a name for those kind of people."The Mallee-not-sharer's" :rolleyes:

Good mallee roots are getting hard to come by...and it will cost you $10K if they catch you with a Scrub turkey in the pot:nono

and what was this thread about????:confused:

[digger242j]

and what was this thread about????

It was about how there are only mallee roots left, because all the trees in the Great Mallee Forest were pulled over by men, real men mind you, who had nothing but bullocks, their bare hands, and a Hart-Parr tractor!

(And they had to wear hats that would only keep one of their ears from getting sunburnt.)

[Squizzy246B]

It was about how there are only mallee roots left, because all the trees in the Great Mallee Forest were pulled over by men, real men mind you, who had nothing but bullocks, their bare hands, and a Hart-Parr tractor!



Are yes...when ships were made of timber, men were of steel and cabin boys were nervous.:eek: :bouncegri

[digger242j]

Yeah, and besides, Jeff is taking that whole Mad Max thing way too seriously.

Jeff, you remember the scene in Mad Max where Mel Gibson wrestles the crocodile? Of course not. THAT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CROCODILE WRESTLING SCENE IN MAD MAX!!

Obviously it was an unrealistic view of life there.

Squizzy can tell you. He's got to chase the crocs off the kitchen table before he sits down to breakfast... :yup

[Squizzy246B]

Yeah, and besides, Jeff is taking that whole Mad Max thing way too seriously.

Jeff, you remember the scene in Mad Max where Mel Gibson wrestles the crocodile? Of course not. THAT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CROCODILE WRESTLING SCENE IN MAD MAX!!

Obviously it was an unrealistic view of life there.

Squizzy can tell you. He's got to chase the crocs off the kitchen table before he sits down to breakfast... :yup

No No...no crocs here I told ya...the great white sharks ate them all!

[Squizzy246B]

We do have to clear these characters out of the way on occaision:

[Jeff D.]

and what was this thread about????:confused:

I do get side tracked awful easily.

I've been trying to be serious lately too,and post mostly intelligent post.But dang it,it's like I had my finger sticking out and BRL went and pulled it,with his post,and then I HAD too let one rip.

So,in summary,all of my dumb and off topic post are BRL's fault,and were instigated by Digger.:bouncegri

Seriously though,I do know what you're saying.It is a heavy equipment forum,after all.AND I don't enjoy reading my past post wondering"What possessed me to post that??!!"anymore than ayone else does.(I've diluted myself into believing I'm not alone in that aspect!):rolleyes:

So,back to talking about them Hart-Parr's.Did I mention I'd never heard of them,and they weren't made that far away from me?

[digger242j]

We do have to clear these characters out of the way on occaision:

Ah, yes...the vicious Tasmanian Dwarf Alligator, or something like that...

:confused:

Max wouldn't have lasted an hour on the road with my kids in the back seat!

It doesn't look like they'd stay in the back seat anyway. Squizzy junior obviously wants to drive... :)

[Squizzy246B]

I do get side tracked awful easily.

I've been trying to be serious lately too,and post mostly intelligent post.But dang it,it's like I had my finger sticking out and BRL went and pulled it,with his post,and then I HAD too let one rip.

So,in summary,all of my dumb and off topic post are BRL's fault,and were instigated by Digger.:bouncegri

Seriously though,I do know what you're saying.It is a heavy equipment forum,after all.AND I don't enjoy reading my past post wondering"What possessed me to post that??!!"anymore than ayone else does.(I've diluted myself into believing I'm not alone in that aspect!):rolleyes:

So,back to talking about them Hart-Parr's.Did I mention I'd never heard of them,and they weren't made that far away from me?

Jeff..Stop it your killing me:D

If you want I'll start a thread in TGIF called "Squizzy's holiday pics" and we can carry on there:wink2

[digger242j]

I've been trying to be serious lately too,and post mostly intelligent post

A noble endeavor. It's been said, "A man's reach shoud exceed his grasp."

(http://www.answers.com/topic/a-man-s-reach-should-exceed-his-grasp)


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[Jeff D.]

If you want I'll start a thread in TGIF called "Squizzy's holiday pics" and we can carry on there:wink2

Well..........Ok then,but only as long as there's nothing funny about it!!:bouncegri

[Squizzy246B]

Ah, yes...the vicious Tasmanian Dwarf Alligator, or something like that...

:confused:



It doesn't look like they'd stay in the back seat anyway. Squizzy junior obviously wants to drive... :)

Here's a pic of the four wheel drive Hart-Parr

Actually we call these a parking ticket inspector...thats on account of him having a lot of pr......pointy spikes.:bouncegri

correcty known as a thorny devil of course.

[Squizzy246B]

And they had to wear hats that would only keep one of their ears from getting sunburnt.

It was so they could carry their rifles at the shoulder arms position...you should know that being a Digger:rolleyes:

http://5rar.asn.au/hat.htm

[digger242j]

Ya learn something new every day...


Actually, this is the first I've ever heard the term "Digger" in the context of the military. I've used the same name at a number of forums, and at one, an Aussie welcomed me and mentioned that with a name like that I must be from Down Under. I had to disappoint him, but I really never made the connection...

See, even getting off topic can be educational!

Thanks! :)