Bell scraper tractor

[9420pullpan]

has anyone seen on of these Bell's working in there area???

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[Dozerboy]

I think there made by Deere just by looking at them.

[9420pullpan]

Bell owns 32% of Deere. so Bell makes the deere trucks

[Dozerboy]

All of there stuff looks the same as Deere on there site IMO. I don't even see Deere’s out here and never even heard of Bell until now.

[Tigerotor77W]

Bell owns 32% of Deere. so Bell makes the deere trucks

I think Deere owns 32% of Bell...

Dozerboy, the reason you see them as being so similar is because they are identical as 9420 has pointed out. The Bell 40D is the Deere 400D and so on down the line. When Deere decided to get into the ADT business, it chose a partner rather than develop a line all its own. For that matter, Bell wasn't ever a huge player in the US market (it's an Australian company), but they have a very good product.

If you go to Europe, the same is true for Hitachi ADTs.

[CascadeScaper]

I think Volvo builds a better articulated truck than any of them. What has happened to Moxy?

[CEwriter]

Moxy's still building trucks. Still got something of a marketing organization here in North America, but I can't vouch for how effective it is.

Bell's from South Africa.

Here's our most recent roundup on articulated trucks, from June of last year. It details some of the similarities and differences between the various brands:

http://www.constructionequipment.com/article/CA605534.html

and the gallery of brief reviews of each manufacturer's product line:

http://www.constructionequipment.com/article/CA605793.html

And here's a Field Report on that Bell construction tractor with the crazy ATI tracks:

http://www.constructionequipment.com/article/CA457224.html

ADios

[jamesbrokman]

i have ran the bell scraper tractor and they are not my cup of tee, they are fast but load like crap, they have the power but no traction, the one i ran had tires not tracks, not sure if the tracked version is any better, it did have the mercedes diesel with i beleive around 450 horsepower

[02Dmax]

tracks make a night and day difference on these tractors. i think you'd like it better......... all the traction you'd ever need plus a better ride

[joedirt]

We have a John Deere 350C truck. I was wondering if anyone had any comments on them? Our truck has approx 8000 hours. She is tough to start when temps are below 50 deg. fer. and I most definetly do not like the full time engine brake (throttle pedal only with no disconnect). Is the Mercedes engine good, or should we be looking for another truck? Thanks for your help.

[Countryboy]

Welcome to Heavy Equipment Forums joedirt! :drinkup

[Dozerboy]

We have a John Deere 350C truck. I was wondering if anyone had any comments on them? Our truck has approx 8000 hours. She is tough to start when temps are below 50 deg. fer. and I most definetly do not like the full time engine brake (throttle pedal only with no disconnect). Is the Mercedes engine good, or should we be looking for another truck? Thanks for your help.


Full time engine brakes are the best that’s a lot of weight to stop and Mercedes makes good diesels. That said I have no experience with JD ADT's so that just my general observation.

[beandrew]

everyone i talked to said they would rather have a 4 wheel drive tractor beause that the bell tractors and simuliar ones always break down

[RKO]

i have ran the bell scraper tractor and they are not my cup of tee, they are fast but load like crap, they have the power but no traction, the one i ran had tires not tracks, not sure if the tracked version is any better, it did have the mercedes diesel with i beleive around 450 horsepower

Was the one you ran the one that was south Nebraska Machinery in Omaha for a few weeks?? I saw one out there and wondered who's it was. I ran one in Kansas City on a job and didn't think it had any traction along with being ruff riding.

[joedirt]

Full time engine brakes are the best that’s a lot of weight to stop and Mercedes makes good diesels. That said I have no experience with JD ADT's so that just my general observation.

Thanks for the reply Dozerboy. We must be the only guys on the forum that run John Deere dump trucks.:beatsme

[Ray Welsh]

I think Volvo builds a better articulated truck than any of them. What has happened to Moxy?

I would have to agree that Volvo was always a leader in All Terrain Dumpers (ATD). Moxy came from Scania, also Swedish manufacture/design but were a cheaper design. For example, they had a single rear diff with chain drives to rear wheels, like a grader. More moving components means higher rebuild costs. Komatsu also had copys of Moxy running in Australia many years ago.
There's lots of CAT ATDs working here now thanks to good marketing and excellent parts backup, but on pulling a load through mud, Volvo is still king.:D

[RamDodge]

I would have to agree that Volvo was always a leader in All Terrain Dumpers (ATD). Moxy came from Scania, also Swedish manufacture/design but were a cheaper design. For example, they had a single rear diff with chain drives to rear wheels, like a grader. More moving components means higher rebuild costs. Komatsu also had copys of Moxy running in Australia many years ago.
There's lots of CAT ATDs working here now thanks to good marketing and excellent parts backup, but on pulling a load through mud, Volvo is still king.:D

I'd like to chime in about Moxy's. They are NOT Swedish or made by Scania. They are actually buildt in the west coast of Norway (a small place called Elnesvaagen) But they are powered by Scania diesel (wicth co-operate with Cummins in injection technology) They where owned by Komatsu a few years back so I would think the Komatsus down under where rebadged moxy's. They are now owned by a british manufacturer (Brown, I think) They have been struggeling with their finaces a few years back, but are now going full steam.
I have never cared much for ADT's, but from what I have heard they where quit comfortable in earlier years, and by some concidered as the Peterbilt in the ADT world.

[Ray Welsh]

I'd like to chime in about Moxy's. They are NOT Swedish or made by Scania. They are actually buildt in the west coast of Norway (a small place called Elnesvaagen) But they are powered by Scania diesel (wicth co-operate with Cummins in injection technology) They where owned by Komatsu a few years back so I would think the Komatsus down under where rebadged moxy's. They are now owned by a british manufacturer (Brown, I think) They have been struggeling with their finaces a few years back, but are now going full steam.
I have never cared much for ADT's, but from what I have heard they where quit comfortable in earlier years, and by some concidered as the Peterbilt in the ADT world.

Sorry My old mind got confused with Moxy-Scania connection. The Komatsus down here were probably re-badged moxys. They were both Top-heavy and sometimes fell over at any speed in soft ground. Earlier Moxys had a two piece tailgate that used to bind with gumbo clay lumps from large excavators.
The result was engine and drivers compartment off the ground which then flipped to the side and bashed on the deck. (Remember these were articulated trucks and the cab could rotate independently from the load) Highly dangerous although the ones I saw happen didn't injure anyone.
Most dumpers nowadays have high lift tailgates which adequately clear the load and any large lumps. Remember all you blokes, SAFETY FIRST.

[gillettekids]

thinking of buying a couple and would love some input as to anything to be aware of or look for as a possible weak link? - new guy here on forum and looking for any help possible - having a hard time posting this new question?

[Bellboy]

I think Deere owns 32% of Bell...

Dozerboy, the reason you see them as being so similar is because they are identical as 9420 has pointed out. The Bell 40D is the Deere 400D and so on down the line. When Deere decided to get into the ADT business, it chose a partner rather than develop a line all its own. For that matter, Bell wasn't ever a huge player in the US market (it's an Australian company), but they have a very good product.

If you go to Europe, the same is true for Hitachi ADTs.

I would like to make this very clear. Bell is SOUTH AFRICAN
I'm just a bit irritated. Not angry with anyone, but no one knows where Bell is from. Thank you.

[knucklehead98]

I copied this from Bell's web site under "Alliances". It doesn't say how the ownership is dispersed, though it does say that the side shift hoes are made in South Africa.

"Bell strategic partners represent some of the most respected marques in the industry, having global distribution networks covering all continents. Our key strategic alliances include:"

"John Deere Construction & Forestry, with whom our strategic alliance of over a decade has grown to include back-to-back manufacturing and distribution licences. Core products of this alliance are ADTs designed by Bell and manufactured in the USA, distributed under the Deere brand and Deere designed, side-shift Tractor Backhoe Loaders manufactured in South Africa and branded as Bell machines in the Southern African region."

"Also included are Deere Front End Loaders, Dozers, Motor Graders and the renowned line of Deere forestry equipment, all of which is distributed in Southern Africa. Hitachi Construction Machinery, a manufacturer of premium excavators, with rock solid distribution in Asia Pacific region, brand the Bell ADT products under the Hitachi marque in that region. Kato Works, a company known for strong reliable excavator products, which are distributed under the Bell marque in Southern Africa. In addition, Liebherr, one of Europe's most respected brand names, distributes the Bell ADT products through their rental companies in Germany and Austria."

[Bellboy]

True. thank you. Do you know how many threads I have actually read this on? Far too many.

[fensoncont.]

Local contactor will be or already has purchased the track typed 4206 Bell. It is setup to pull 3 scrapers, I went and looked at it last week. The contractor also has a Deere tractor pan pulling 2 1810's is it? We'll see how they perform together.

[RolyD8k]

visited site last week and noticed Bell 4206D had more grunt than a Case 9380 each pulling a pair of 18yrd pans.be on youtube shortly.

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[d4c24a]

hello roly good to see you here ,:drinkup thanks for the pictures
we have some wet weather coming up how will they fair then ;)
cheers graham

[RolyD8k]

Hi Graham,i cant get the hang of posting pictures on here yet,the icon wont come up for manage attachments,

[tctractors]

Moxy Dumpers have gears only in the back drive casings, (not chains) this is all powered through 1 diff unit (drive head) that on the early dumpers was a Scania item the same as the engine, Clark and ZF were the gearboxs used, on the Komatsu badged units the engine was Komatsu (in the U.K.???) Bell dumpers have worked now in the U.K. for some time, they do suffer with poor tipping power on the skip, the rams seem a lot lighter than other A.D.T.s, if you stick a cantelever gate on them and stuff a good muckshifters load on their back, they tend to fail to lift the skip unless you tip them down a ramp, Terex Dumpers are alcoholics for Diesel and are the only trucks I know of with holes cut into the belly guards, this allows muck to be forced into its spinning bits and damage all sorts, (why???) Cat have done loads to improve the 700 range and are now giving Volvo a good chase.

tctractors

[Bellboy]

thinking of buying a couple and would love some input as to anything to be aware of or look for as a possible weak link? - new guy here on forum and looking for any help possible - having a hard time posting this new question?

Um, yes, they might just work YOU into the ground.;) These are sum tough puppies, and very good looking too. Go for the Supertruck version, and these machines have recently gone through an improvement stage in production and now have a 30% more efficient engine, more horse power, and are quieter. Improved drivetrain and still the most comfortable cab IMHO.

if you think it is a good one, go for it!

[stock]

ran most of them and Volvo is king