Anybody have a swinger attachment ??

[rino1494]

We are looking to equip our 315 with one. We haven't looked at them too much yet. We will most likely go with a JRB or Geith. For those that have them or used them, how do you like them and how good do they wear ??

Also, do these systems come all in one solid piece or are you able to switch different size buckets ??

[denick]

Rino,

We have Akerman excavators that have what we call an articulating bucket. 56" wide with a flat grading edge. I would never want to be with out it. it holds up very well. The swing is part of the bucket. The JRB and Geith that we looked at are part of the bucket.

We have been looking at a Powertilt attachment made by Helac. It is just a swing attachment that can have any coupler or bucket set up on it. I have heard they have alot of torque and hold up well. www.helac.com

Nick

[Dozerboy]

Is that one of those buckets the will tilt side to side? If so I haven't ever seen one that I thing you could change the bucket size, but I don't have much experience with them.


I'm to slow, but there’s your answer.

[rino1494]

Rino,

We have Akerman excavators that have what we call an articulating bucket. 56" wide with a flat grading edge. I would never want to be with out it. it holds up very well. The swing is part of the bucket. The JRB and Geith that we looked at are part of the bucket.

We have been looking at a Powertilt attachment made by Helac. It is just a swing attachment that can have any coupler or bucket set up on it. I have heard they have alot of torque and hold up well. www.helac.com

Nick


Hey, thanks alot Nick. I just quick looked at the helac site and I see that there are no cylinders. I wonder how it tilts.....i'll have to look at it more later.

Thanks alot :thumbsup

[denick]

Rino,

It is a rotary screw mechanism. there are few parts and they seem substantial. It pins to the stick and you can pin your buckets to it or if you have a coupler you can attach to anything. I don't know the type or capacity of hydraulic curcuit it needs.

Nick

[DR RPM]

Up here we call them wrist buckets and we have about 90 of them in use, from 305 CAT all the way up to the 330C CAT, they are pretty much the only bucket that we use, except for the heavy digging. We buy them from Weldco-Beales and have now started building them ourselves for our machines.:bash

[rino1494]

Wrist, swinger or tilting bucket.....all the same. We mainly want it for digging swales. I have a 5' grading bucket and I dig them from the side. It sux, but I get the job done. I want a system where I can swap buckets since most swales I do have 2' flat bottoms and then I can switch to a bigger bucket to build slopes, ponds and place rip rap.

[Dozerboy]

DR RPM what do you use them for?

The only thing I have used then for was digging out between shoring with a MiniX.

[DR RPM]

We are an environmental service company, those buckets are used for everything but frozen ground and hard rock. they are suprisingly durable. The style that we use has the tilt cylinders not the swing motor because of the strength factor.:bash

[9420pullpan]

check out the Rotoilt (http://rototilt.cc/rototilt.html) heres some pics form the CON-EXPO

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[rino1494]

We are an environmental service company, those buckets are used for everything but frozen ground and hard rock. they are suprisingly durable. The style that we use has the tilt cylinders not the swing motor because of the strength factor.:bash

That is what I was thinking too.....that the cylinders would be more durable and hold better than the rotary style.

[Dozerboy]

I don't know how different the rotary setup on that bucket and the one they have on shears are. But I spent a lot of time running a hoe 5800 Linkbelt with 5ton shear and it didn't take much pressure to make the rotary setup to turn without you wanting it to.

[DR RPM]

The rotary style bucket is the same, it goes where it wants to, doesn't take much pressure for it to move, which sucks when you are cutting for grade. We also run shears mainly Stanley-Labountys, UP20's up to the 1000 stick shear.:bash

[kenw]

I have been useing the Helac power tilt since 1994. It is a rugged and well made unit. I have had experience with 5 helac units with very little problems. Also the few problems we have had were taken care of with 100 percent satisfaction from the Helac people. There is some internal wear that accurs as the hours mount but it is normal for everything to wear. I had one unit with 10 thousand hours before I traded it.

[rino1494]

I have been useing the Helac power tilt since 1994. It is a rugged and well made unit. I have had experience with 5 helac units with very little problems. Also the few problems we have had were taken care of with 100 percent satisfaction from the Helac people. There is some internal wear that accurs as the hours mount but it is normal for everything to wear. I had one unit with 10 thousand hours before I traded it.


I know that they have rebuild kits.......how much do they cost ??

[kenw]

The last time one of my TT10's was rebuilt the kit was around $500.00.

[Bucket Man]

Yes,the Helac is a good tool..I've had extensive experience with them too..Its a good product

[rino1494]

We recently have purchased a Helac. We haven't had time to mount it up and try it out yet. That will be a project for winter.

[dirthog28]

I ran a 200 with a helac tilit attachment and 5' bucket some last winter on a big ditch project we did. That thing is awesome I wish we had one on all are excavators. We could only work on the ditch from being down in it and pull the sides down and work our way out and that attachment is slick. Another small contractor in town has one on his 312 for digging basements which looks like it works well, if on a slope he's still pullin a flat grade. I think you'll like it, I'd be beggin for them to get it hooked up.

[Bucket Man]

The JRB comes as 1 piece w/your choice of bucket size..The Geith comes the same way,The Geith is a little less expensive than the JRB..Let me know if you want more info

[nedly05]

How much is a swinger for an 8 ton machine?

[Bucket Man]

How much is a swinger for an 8 ton machine?

$4893.99 w/48" cleanout Bucket

[ror76a]

How much for one for a 20 ton machine?

[Bucket Man]

How much for one for a 20 ton machine?

$9968.75 w/60" cleanout bucket

[Tegian]

Here (In Sweden) you would not get a job if you did not have a rotating and tilting bucket. Durability is not a problem if you build things properly. It does put workers out of their jobs though as an excavator equipped with one (Espcially the latest versions with built in grabber) is an amazingly handy machine. See www.engcon.se or www.indexator.se

[RadioFlyer]

Tegian,
How does this compare to rototilt? I looked at the site you referenced and I do not see any of these machines equiped with a thumb combo.....just tilt mechanism. Can these be fitted to an old style wain-roy coupler system?

[Tegian]

Rotator ... that is for the mainly forestry industry. Forwaders, harvesters and timbercranes on trucks and possibly clamshell buckets.

As for thumbs ... I am not even sure I have ever seen a thumb like the ones you use in the states here in Sweden. They are very rare. The last few years these grabbing attachments have started to become popular though.

They attach under the rototilt like this :
http://www.engcon.se/images/imageViewer.asp?pageID=view&langID=en&image=Mecalac_714MW_EC20GR_001

And as seen in this picture it is perfectly possible to keep the bucket on at the same time:
http://www.engcon.se/images/imageViewer.asp?pageID=view&langID=en&image=Menzi_Muck_EC10GR_(16))

There is also atleast one manufacturer that have a bucket called "Grab-John" there the grabber (In the same style as the one on the rototilt) is intergrated in the bucket and not the rototilt.

[RadioFlyer]

T - I tried to look for the grab-john on the web. Could you find the site for me and post it?

[Tegian]

http://www.oilquick.com/html/produkter/a_produkt.asp?lang=en&nav=produkter&id=68&kID=388

[DirtMan]

check out the Rotoilt (http://rototilt.cc/rototilt.html) heres some pics form the CON-EXPO

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Thanks for the cool pics! ...and yes, the Rototilt will be featured again at ConExpo, just 3 months from now, as the superior solution. Unlike the others mentioned, WainRoy, Jrb, Geith, Helac, etc., the Rototilt allows continuous rotation, AND the ability to switch to about any tool imaginable, whether mechanical, or hydraulic, due to our hydraulic quick coupler and rotary oil swivel through the core, so the Rototilt can actually control the hydraulic attachments such as a grapple, auger, tamper, etc... AND YES, it's even available with the "grab john" type grabs.

Come see our live demo at ConExpo, and you will not be disappointed. We've had to double our booth space because of all the new attachments available.......Gold Lot!

[DirtMan]

Tegian,
Can these be fitted to an old style wain-roy coupler system?

The Rototilt can be fitted with the old style wain-roy as a last resort, and also a thumb-bucket combination, but why not take advantage of the Rototilt coupler, and not fuss with the pins?

[Durette]

I know that they have rebuild kits.......how much do they cost ??

I'd tell you what I paid, but I'd imagine it varies a lot depending on your model.

My distributor sold me two grease relief fittings and two "port covers" that look like automotive freeze plugs with sloppy holes in them. They luckily weren't in the kit, so I have a chance to return them. (I paid an arm and a leg for them.) Should I keep them? It looks I can pick up freeze plugs from NAPA for $.50 and drill the holes myself, but what do you suppose is the pressure rating on the grease reliefs? I haven't torn down the unit yet. Where are they installed, and how are they used?

[jdns]

You will not go wrong with a Helac Powertilt unit. I have rebuilt a many before with over 6,000 hours on them. It goes back to the old saying "Keep it simple stupied". This is a very simple way to move a attachment from side to side. :bash

[bucket buster]

I would like to sell it. It was one the 580 case backhoe I purchase and I don't really need it. Anyone still need one. I don't know what It's worth just want a fair price. It's in great shape. I have some pictures of it but I don't know how to load them.

grady