Any thing to put in besides calcium in the tires?

[Speedpup]

Not reallly looking for foam they want 750 to foam a tires here. Sick of calcium and rust. Wonder if I could use a marine anti-freeze which is not toxic and used to winterize the water system in boats.? I guess it would weigh a tad less than water and calcium. Not sure if it would cost a fortune to get 55 gallons of water to not freeze but I may check it out today.

Never was keen on the foam because you are rotating all the weight of the foam all the time.

Thanks for any tips,:D

[OneWelder]

There is a substitute - suppose to be envir. friendly , non corrosive - use to be real expensive, but I think the price is close to cal. now
talk to your tire guy

[John C.]

One company I worked at put their used antifreeze from their machinery in the tires. You could sure find a leak easy and fast.

[Speedpup]

http://www.rimguard.biz/Products.html will call them tomorrow. If it is .28 per pound it will be about the same as calcium. They want 125 for calcium on my tires.

[OneWelder]

people also use windshield wiper antifreeze- with varying degrees of success

[Speedpup]

With my luck no one on Long Island will have it. I always thought it was insane to put something in your rims that will eat them alive,:beatsme:beatsme:Banghead:Banghead

[95zIV]

My father found a place that has a concentrated sea water solution that he just got in some of his tractor tires. But you are rotating the entire mass no matter what you put in there, just the difference is that when you stop the foam stops too it doesn't slosh around in there. I've always found it funny when you run a loaded tire machine down the road with a liquid in them they'll get to rocking from side to side as the liquid gets out of sinc with each other. Foam is also flat proof once you fill the tires you run them until they're smooth then cut them off and put on new tires. Since you are going to put these on a rough terrain forklift you have to think about where you are going to run it and where you could possibly be spilling anything that might be in your tires.

[Turbo21835]

Just bite the bullet, new tires, and foam em. Those tires will last forever, as already state, and be flat proof. Means no time.

[CEM]

I heard someone say they were putting alchohol in their tires.

[surfer-joe]

Well, you can put in chicken bones, sandwich bags, lunch boxes, work gloves, hats, shirts, and jackets. Also hammers, tire tools, wrenches, blocks of wood, soda cans, and lots of beer bottles. Lets see, paint cans (spray) Pieces of chain, large o-rings, a dead something or other, also Playboy and other magazines, newspapers, and wire brushes.

I've seen all these things come out of tires over the years. But i'd guess that's not really what you are looking for, eh?

My first choice would be, if you are looking to permanently flat-proof your tires, would be a new set of rubber and the foam. Next, if you are looking for weight, would be the salt or calcium substitute. Stay away from using plain water or any kind of oil or fuel.

If however, your tires are small enough, you can install a tube in each one, and use the Calcium Cloride without rusting the wheel hardware.

Keep in mind that some of the stuff advertised for tires is designed to prevent flats, not act as a weight agent. They tend to be expensive, but I've used two or three that have worked very well.

Good Luck!

[ATCOEQUIP]

Surfer-joe, that's the most off the chain response I've seen on the forum, I loved it! :D

As for the foam/calcium debate, let's not forget the application that speedpup is using. Correct me if I'm wrong, speedpup, but I venture a guess your talking about the tires on you telehandler forklifts. If so, the calcium liquid is there for ballast, or, counterweight for the machine. That ballast is spec'd for a certain lbs of ballast for each tire. Not enough lbs, you could tip the lift. Too much lbs, you could potentially overload the lift. Foam fill would provide weight for ballast, but is it possible to achieve the recommended weight by foam filling the tires, I don't know. I like Surfer-joe's idea, put a tube in each tire and fill with recommended lbs of calcuim liquid. ;)

[surfer-joe]

Well, I worked a job in Southern Maryland some years ago, and our tire guy worked for a outfit out of Washington DC. He was a hardcore biker and lived in some town over on the Chesapeake shore that was controlled entirely by bikers.

He was a great tire guy, smooth and fast with any size tires, and was about the only one of the tire outfit's people I would allow on the job because the rest weren't worth squat, particularly with 37.5x39's on the 651's. He did take some shortcuts however, such as using gasoline or ether to pop beadseats back into place.

He found some junk inside a scraper tire one day and called me down on the fill to see it. Just some rags and such, but we got to talking and he told me a story about some biker chick that fell out with her guy and he killed her for whatever reason. Instead of dumping the body or throwing her in the bay in the usual manner, the guy, who was a tireman by the way, took her body to a job he had early the next morning and put it inside a new 992 loader tire he mounted on a machine in a quarry in western Maryland.

I never knew for sure if my tire man was pulling my leg about this, but after visiting him one evening in the town where he lived, I wouldn’t have doubted him for a minute. Those people were a rough crew.

Back in the early sixties, a contractor was building some freeway behind my house and they had a big yard about a mile away. They were running DW21’s, 621’s, and eventually, some S24’s and TS24’s. There was a huge tire pile in that yard and they went thorough a ton of tires as their haul was 6-8 miles one way and they ran 24/7 that year putting fill across a lake.

Anyway, on the way to school one day, as our old GMC bus went thorough the detour, we kids could see cop cars all over the place in that yard, plus a meat wagon. I was excited all day and just full of curiosity as to what they were up to, so as soon as I got home that afternoon I beat feet up there and started asking what happened. Turns out the tire guy that morning smelled something real bad in the tire pile, so he went looking to see what it was. He found a dead women in one of the tires, wrapped up in some carpet. She had been there a few days I heard, and was a local woman that had been reported missing a week before. This was a blown out tire in their scrap tire pile, not a new one. The cops arrested an operator off the job a short time later and charged him with murder. I never knew what happened to him. But we kids didn’t play in that tire pile anymore.

[Speedpup]

With a liquid like calcium you are not rotating the weight of the water unlike foam which is solid. Lull use to tell you if you run foam your warranty is void. Picture a glass with water and when you spin it all the water does not rotate. I rarely get flats but if you get a flat with a tube the tire needs to be broken down and time lost. If I get a flat with no tube I can plug it.

I like the Rim-Guard which has the right weight also but the nearest dealer in Bethany Conn. I didn't see how far it is away, Tires don't last all that long if I run on pavement either you can see the rubber on the ground :eek:

[andystreetuk]

we once used concrete in the wheels of an old JCB 3c Mk2, it never went flat, but it was one hell of a rough ride

[DigDug]

Beet juice , find it at your local tractor dealer.

[Speedpup]

Beet juice , find it at your local tractor dealer.

That looked like geat stuff but nobody had it any where near me unfortunately on Long Island.

[Framer]

If your machine requires calcium then you have to use calcium or foam it, foam should be ok. But if it doesnt require calcium then don't use anything. Foaming a tire costs 1200-1700 per tire, at least in canada. Plus your rim is toast when the tires are toast. If your running them on ashphalt then they wear out quicker, if your running them on dirt then they'll last longer. Foam tires make you more likely to sink in soft ground and mud -get stuck, more likely to cause damage to concrete curbs and sidewalks. The other thing i've seen is solid rubber tires like skidsteer ones. I've had them on a rental and it was the worst experience ever, they sank on the sandy site. I've never had to get pulled out before by another machine, except on that machine. At 550 per tire thats 2200$, vs 6000 for foam, you can do a lot of flat repairs, and change you're tires out a couple times.

[EMT]

I have used a light weight foam fill. Its cheaper, less weight and you can still recap your tires, indefinately. The main purpose for installing a product in the tires is more weight and less flats. sooooooo what are you trying to do?

[Speedpup]

I was looking for something that I know is not eating the rims alive. I just went with the calcium as the foam was $$$$$$$ cheaper to buy another rim. I guess rims last a long time even with calcium.