triple grinding waste timber

[australian pete]

this is what i did between new year and christmas, a late rush job to grind waste timber at a local tip, they wanted it fine enough to use as litter/bedding in a chicken shed, ground it 3 times, was nery dusty

[australian pete]

next week off to do a clearing job and some grass slashing.

[MKTEF]

Nice pics!
Nice Magnum you got there, 500ps?
Would be nice with some more pics of the truck too..

[PSDF350]

Nice pics. Not to nit pick but wouldn't that be more waste wood rather than waste timber? I meen timber isn't pallets or doors. Timber is logs, stumps, and brush, isn't it. Still nice pics though.

[Steve Frazier]

Just remember these forums reach world wide and terminology from different regions may be different than where you are from.

[roddyo]

Just remember these forums reach world wide and terminology from different regions may be different than where you are from.

Down here in Arkansas if it's bigger than a Board a few people will call it a Timber. :) A lot of people call skids timbers too.

Personally If it is around 2 feet long I call it a block, around 4 feet long then it's a skid, then a Tie and if it is over Tie Size then it's a Timber.

If I had a 6 foot long piece of tie laying around I would cut 2 feet off of the end and have both a Block and a Skid in order to avoid any confusion.:D

[Iron Horse]

G'day Pete , that grinder should be able to get carbon credits . It truly is good for the enviroment , being able to recycle waste timber like that is terrific . It does'nt stop there even , after it has been used for bedding it can be put through again to make compost , awsome . It is obviously paying it's way . How much maintanance does it require and what sort of running costs do they have ?

[australian pete]

Nice pics!
Nice Magnum you got there, 500ps?
Would be nice with some more pics of the truck too..

not sure what 500 ps is, it has a cummins signature, 600 horsepower, 18 speed road ranger, it's an ugly truck however it has heaps of power and rides really nice.

[australian pete]

Nice pics. Not to nit pick but wouldn't that be more waste wood rather than waste timber? I meen timber isn't pallets or doors. Timber is logs, stumps, and brush, isn't it. Still nice pics though.

down under waste wood and waste timber are the same, it was trashy wood /timber though, pallets, demolition timber, waste plywood, also had plenty of steel, from reo bar, bolts, gas meters, lumps of concrete, bricks and lots of plastic,etc,

[australian pete]

G'day Pete , that grinder should be able to get carbon credits . It truly is good for the enviroment , being able to recycle waste timber like that is terrific . It does'nt stop there even , after it has been used for bedding it can be put through again to make compost , awsome . It is obviously paying it's way . How much maintanance does it require and what sort of running costs do they have ?

i reckon i am nearly a greenie now reg, after the chickens are ready for slaughter ( i think about 10 weeks) they clean the shed out and use the litter which is full of chicken s..t as fertiliser, i think it is cheaper than superphosphate and it does work really well.as for running costs, fuel is $100 per hr (depending on price could be up or down 10% ) i think it costs around another $100 per hour for hammers, tips, screens, conveyors etc, that does not allow for long term wear like engine, hydraulic pumps,clutch/transmissinon and does not allow for the purchase price.
as for maintenance , greasing each day is only 10 minutes, you have to check the bolts that hold the tips on at least twice a day, 10 minutes each time, if you are hitting some steel it loosens the bolts so then you need to check them more often,particuarly as when you hit steel you often lose a tip, if you keep grinding with no tip it wears the hammer out very quicly, replacing hammers takes a few hours, fortunately we have not wrecked any hammers yet, prices of tips vary from $25 each to $100 each, depending on which type you are using, hammers are $500 each, you need to really keep on top of maintenace and generally keep your eyes open to look for things coming loose, in short if you keep on top of it all it does not give much trouble considering how hard it works, as i read somewhere on this forum, the start button is also the self destruct button..

[australian pete]

Down here in Arkansas if it's bigger than a Board a few people will call it a Timber. :) A lot of people call skids timbers too.

Personally If it is around 2 feet long I call it a block, around 4 feet long then it's a skid, then a Tie and if it is over Tie Size then it's a Timber.

If I had a 6 foot long piece of tie laying around I would cut 2 feet off of the end and have both a Block and a Skid in order to avoid any confusion.:D

roddyo, im not that organised mate, i may call it, wood, timber, heads, stumps, logs, barrels, crap, trash and depending how tired/cranky i am some other names that i doubt i can use here.

[roddyo]

roddyo, im not that organised mate, i may call it, wood, timber, heads, stumps, logs, barrels, crap, trash and depending how tired/cranky i am some other names that i doubt i can use here.


I was just Playing on the timber M8.:)

The Chicken Litter is the way to go. We use it a lot on Row Crop ground that has been leveled, it brings the cuts that have almost zero organic matter up to speed pretty fast. Two things that most people don't realize is it holds almost 9 times its weight in water and has a list of trace minerals in it almost as long as your arm.:) This is 2 things fertilize doesn't have. I know with Cattle after using it a few years your mineral bill is a lot less.

[australian pete]

i knew it was good, ( i grew up on a dairy where my father used it ) although i did not know all the technical stuff, im feeling greener and greener,seeing as i dont like greenies i may start to dislike myself, i won another job today grinding waste timber/wood in a tip. i guesss the carbon footprint the 16 litre cat engine in the grinder evens it all up.

[roddyo]

i knew it was good, ( i grew up on a dairy where my father used it ) although i did not know all the technical stuff, im feeling greener and greener,seeing as i dont like greenies i may start to dislike myself, i won another job today grinding waste timber/wood in a tip. i guesss the carbon footprint the 16 litre cat engine in the grinder evens it all up.

Did you ever Feed Chicken Litter to your Cattle?

[CM1995]

, im feeling greener and greener,seeing as i dont like greenies i may start to dislike myself

Pete, I would say you are doing something real for the environment....;)

Great pics thanks for sharing.

[australian pete]

Did you ever Feed Chicken Litter to your Cattle?

no, spread it on the paddocks as fertiliser, i think the cows would have to be pretty desperate to eat that.

[australian pete]

Pete, I would say you are doing something real for the environment....;)

Great pics thanks for sharing.
i guess your correct, probably doing more than most greenies.even though i do it for money i have to say i do get a kick out of what i do when the mulch is recycled in a beneficial way.

[Iron Horse]

im feeling greener and greener,

Next thing , you'll be driving a VW Kombi van ***.

[australian pete]

Next thing , you'll be driving a VW Kombi van ***.

no chance of that mate, i have owned lots of different cars however have always disliked any kind of volkswagon, dunno why, just never liked them.

[JTL]

How do you go about grinding wood debries down smaller than what they come out the end of the grinder? Can you close down the grinder rolls on that style machine? I've never been around that style before. The only one I ever worked around was a big tub grinder. A Morbark 1300 I belive. What a monster though!
We had to grind 9 miles of road right-of-way brush and stumps this last summer and then place it over the slopes, for erosion controll. About the smallest piece I saw come out of that thing was mabey a 2"x10" chunk. (we lost a window in our 966 that was loading the trucks with the waste) Man that thing would throw some crap around!
Jason

[australian pete]

How do you go about grinding wood debries down smaller than what they come out the end of the grinder? Can you close down the grinder rolls on that style machine? I've never been around that style before. The only one I ever worked around was a big tub grinder. A Morbark 1300 I belive. What a monster though!
We had to grind 9 miles of road right-of-way brush and stumps this last summer and then place it over the slopes, for erosion controll. About the smallest piece I saw come out of that thing was mabey a 2"x10" chunk. (we lost a window in our 966 that was loading the trucks with the waste) Man that thing would throw some crap around!
Jason


mine is a horizontal grinder, different to a tub grinder, the size of the material coming out of the grinder depends on the screen, on the job the pics are from i used a 3 inch screen, although the screen is 3 inch most of the material is smaller than that, we put it through 3 times, each time you put it through it finishes up smaller.

[JTL]

Thanks!
I assumed it was a horizontal grinder. Like I said, I dont know to much about these machines, other that what I've read about.
Makes sence though. Just like a rock crusher, the more times you run it through, the smaller it gets. Till of course it gets to the point you cant grind it or crush it anymore without scarcificing production.
I do recall seeing some half round screen looking things hanging off of that tub grinder I was around.
Jason

[PSDF350]

no chance of that mate, i have owned lots of different cars however have always disliked any kind of volkswagon, dunno why, just never liked them.

Love mine. Bought a jetta in may. Been a great little car, it's an 02 with 116k miles, 14k of those I have put on. It's a diesel and before winter fuel and studded snow tires I was going about 600+ miles on 11 gallons of fuel:). It's quick comfortable and great on fuel, must say love the heated seats too. But honestly I never wanted one till I was looking for a small car heard alot of great things about them so...........

[australian pete]

Love mine. Bought a jetta in may. Been a great little car, it's an 02 with 116k miles, 14k of those I have put on. It's a diesel and before winter fuel and studded snow tires I was going about 600+ miles on 11 gallons of fuel:). It's quick comfortable and great on fuel, must say love the heated seats too. But honestly I never wanted one till I was looking for a small car heard alot of great things about them so...........

i guess the new ones are way different, particuarly with a diesel engine, i like the idea of a diesel, i never liked those beetles with the crappy sounding air cooled engine.

[australian pete]

Nice pics!
Nice Magnum you got there, 500ps?
Would be nice with some more pics of the truck too..


some more pics of the multi skilling mack magnum, and some kangaroos that live on our property.

[Steve Frazier]

LOL Pete!! Those air cooled V dubs haven't been available here in the States for over 20 years!! I'll agree with you, those cars were cheaply built and underpowered, but they were cheap to buy and you could just about get parts at any department or hardware store. At 6'4" I could barely squeeze myself behind the steering wheel with the seat all the way back. They sold so many of them because they were cheap basic transportation and cheap to keep running. When the Japanese cars took hold here, they were even cheaper than the VWs and more appointed so their market dried up.

Since then VW has gone after a different market building FWD cars with high powered water cooled engines that have become very luxurious. They are typically more expensive than their Japanese counterparts, but they are a lot more car too. They're almost to the point of being a poor man's Mercedes, very well built cars.

[PSDF350]

LOL Pete!! Those air cooled V dubs haven't been available here in the States for over 20 years!! I'll agree with you, those cars were cheaply built and underpowered, but they were cheap to buy and you could just about get parts at any department or hardware store. At 6'4" I could barely squeeze myself behind the steering wheel with the seat all the way back. They sold so many of them because they were cheap basic transportation and cheap to keep running. When the Japanese cars took hold here, they were even cheaper than the VWs and more appointed so their market dried up.

Since then VW has gone after a different market building FWD cars with high powered water cooled engines that have become very luxurious. They are typically more expensive than their Japanese counterparts, but they are a lot more car too. They're almost to the point of being a poor man's Mercedes, very well built cars.LMAO but so true.:)

[australian pete]

LOL Pete!! Those air cooled V dubs haven't been available here in the States for over 20 years!! I'll agree with you, those cars were cheaply built and underpowered, but they were cheap to buy and you could just about get parts at any department or hardware store. At 6'4" I could barely squeeze myself behind the steering wheel with the seat all the way back. They sold so many of them because they were cheap basic transportation and cheap to keep running. When the Japanese cars took hold here, they were even cheaper than the VWs and more appointed so their market dried up.

Since then VW has gone after a different market building FWD cars with high powered water cooled engines that have become very luxurious. They are typically more expensive than their Japanese counterparts, but they are a lot more car too. They're almost to the point of being a poor man's Mercedes, very well built cars.

i think it is more than 20 years ago that the old vdubs were sold here steve, they are fairly rare now, you only occasionly see one on the road although the kombi is more common.

[Iron Horse]

VW = Hitlers revenge :o .

You seem to have a few dollars tied up in machinery Pete .

Those Renault macks are like a mobile block of flats coming down the road . I know why you bought it though , they are as cheap as chips . I'm really needing a truck and float but the rego on a bogie is rediculous . Ive thought of getting a lightweight trailer built with no floor , only having 4 bolsters to sit the tracks of the digger on . If i can get the thing down to 35 tonne all up with a single drive truck i'll still be legal . The cost of cartage is not that big of a problem , it's the inconvienience of not being able to be somewhere at will , or to be able to pull up and do another job on the way home etc .

[australian pete]

VW = Hitlers revenge :o .

You seem to have a few dollars tied up in machinery Pete .

Those Renault macks are like a mobile block of flats coming down the road . I know why you bought it though , they are as cheap as chips . I'm really needing a truck and float but the rego on a bogie is rediculous . Ive thought of getting a lightweight trailer built with no floor , only having 4 bolsters to sit the tracks of the digger on . If i can get the thing down to 35 tonne all up with a single drive truck i'll still be legal . The cost of cartage is not that big of a problem , it's the inconvienience of not being able to be somewhere at will , or to be able to pull up and do another job on the way home etc .

it is one hell of an ugly truck, but yes cheap, it has a cummins signature , 600 horsepower, 18 speed road ranger, eaton diffs , b double rated, ugly as it is it rides really well, i like it and while im driving it i cant see what it looks like, i bought it at auction for $30,000. it had heaps of little things wrong, air conditioner missing etc, it owed me around $50,000 on the road registered, have had it working for a little over 12 months and have spent next to nothing on it and it has never let me down, luckily it was mechanically good.
the rego on the truck is expensive approx $7000 with the green slip. trailer only $1000. it is well worth it though, i tend to do a lot of small jobs that pay well because i can float the machines there for a low cost and as you say the conveniance of being able to shift machines when you need to is great, a lot less downtime for machines instead of them sitting somewhere waiting for a float, if you were ever going to buy a truck and float now is the time, when i bought my float second hand ones were incredibly scarce and often the ones that were for sale were as expensive as a new one, i have seen pleny of used ones for sale at more than new price, however i notice now due to the economic slow down there are quite a few floats for sale and trucks are extremely cheap, a great time to buy. how much do you save with a single axle compared to a bogie ?

[Iron Horse]

Every time i see one i think OMG ...But i have even thought of buying one myself . I saw an ex Nolan 2003 model with a Signature with a Thermal engine kit fitted for $44,000 . Half the price of most that year model and 4 times less than a KW of the same build . The only thing that really scares me is the picture i have in my mind of going over the handlebars and straight through the screen and onto the road if you hit something . You can see 60% of the driver from outside . A single drive is/was last time i looked , $1350 a year in road tax , then your greenslip . I know i could do float work for others with a bogie but then i'm trying to get the money out of loggers , earthmovers etc. that have no money . If i get stiffed a couple of times i'm way behind . In regards to trailers , i can't believe what their asking , as you said , they want new price . A single axle tag for instance is $21,000 new , it's nothing to see a used one for $23,000 . A brand new Lusty tri is $99,000 , a 1995 model is $88,000 . I'm looking at a Super Tilt but i don't know how heavy they are or how much they can carry .

[australian pete]

i guess you save approx $3000 with a single axle, when you consider i will not be as good the minute you leave the butumen a bogie starts to look reasonable, i have had a few cab overs so i guess i am used to them, just dont crash it and you will be ok.

[australian pete]

Every time i see one i think OMG ...But i have even thought of buying one myself . I saw an ex Nolan 2003 model with a Signature with a Thermal engine kit fitted for $44,000 . Half the price of most that year model and 4 times less than a KW of the same build . The only thing that really scares me is the picture i have in my mind of going over the handlebars and straight through the screen and onto the road if you hit something . You can see 60% of the driver from outside . A single drive is/was last time i looked , $1350 a year in road tax , then your greenslip . I know i could do float work for others with a bogie but then i'm trying to get the money out of loggers , earthmovers etc. that have no money . If i get stiffed a couple of times i'm way behind . In regards to trailers , i can't believe what their asking , as you said , they want new price . A single axle tag for instance is $21,000 new , it's nothing to see a used one for $23,000 . A brand new Lusty tri is $99,000 , a 1995 model is $88,000 . I'm looking at a Super Tilt but i don't know how heavy they are or how much they can carry .

in the last couple of deals on wheels there are definately more floats for sale and prices are more realistic.

[thejdman04]

nice pics

[Iron Horse]

G'day Pete , i can have my choice of these 2 for 82K . They are 500hp 14 speeds with crosslocks . They have 3.78-1 diffs which is a bit fast but i would have to just use 1st gear when launching . All i then need is a float , Lusty do a deck widener for 119K , which makes more sense than 80K on an old rigid one .

[Dusty]

wow thats a trailer

[australian pete]

G'day Pete , i can have my choice of these 2 for 82K . They are 500hp 14 speeds with crosslocks . They have 3.78-1 diffs which is a bit fast but i would have to just use 1st gear when launching . All i then need is a float , Lusty do a deck widener for 119K , which makes more sense than 80K on an old rigid one .
hi reg,i was talking to a mate today who is a used truck dealer, he said late model (or any model) trucks are incredibly cheap, he is selling bugger all, you should check out auction prices before buying i reckon, as for floats, a deck widener is well worth the extra $, i bought my float from lusty/colron, they make a good float and seem like good people, i have not had any problem with mine,well worth paying the extra money than buying a used one at that price

[quantum500]

mine is a horizontal grinder, different to a tub grinder, the size of the material coming out of the grinder depends on the screen, on the job the pics are from i used a 3 inch screen, although the screen is 3 inch most of the material is smaller than that, we put it through 3 times, each time you put it through it finishes up smaller.

Isn't that kind of a waste to grind 3 times without changing the screen size? I would have been a little bit pissed if I was the customer. I'm assuming those are the smallest screens you own?

[australian pete]

Isn't that kind of a waste to grind 3 times without changing the screen size? I would have been a little bit pissed if I was the customer. I'm assuming those are the smallest screens you own?
i think it was a waste, however that is what they asked for. the third time was not much different to the second time, i believe they dont really know what they want.

[quantum500]

I see, the customer is always right! :)